Is Lucifer our Friend?

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posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:01 PM
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Those just happen to be the only Satanists I know, and I'm using their words, not my own. They said they were misled by Satan himself, and that is why they were so bold as to commit a heinous murder and then brag about it in school.

I haven't met any other Satanists, although I have met Luciferianists, and I happen to like a lot about their religion, and agree with the majority of it. BUT, I've never heard anything good about Satanists like I have Luciferianists and Wiccans and such.

Why are you so sensitive? I'm a Mason, and we're probably attacked more routinely than you are, but I don't get my panties in a bunch, I fully expect the attacks, and then I hope some of the people will stick around long enough to listen to the experiences of the actual Masons.




posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined

Why is Lucifer your friend?


He just happens to be the make-believe invisible guy who's morals and values most closely match my own.

WTF has Jesus or the Holy Trinity done for me lately? What about Allah, Buddah, or any of the other soft around the edges deities?

Being nice to strangers in today's world will get you nowhere. If you want to get ahead, if you want to really get yourself close to the top... you've got to reach out and take it and screw those in your way.

You've heard the phrase "Nice Guys Finish Last", right? I gave up on being a "Nice Guy" quite some time ago.



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready

Why are you so sensitive?


Because as I stated in my first post - Satan and Satanists simply get a bad wrap, even in the year 2012. We the People have a constitutional RIGHT to worship as we see fit.

Why should that only REALLY apply to Christians or Jews?



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:04 PM
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Once I grasped that concept, and it wasn't easy, and I put up quite an argument, but eventually I believed it, and once I grasped that concept, then the notion of evil seemed hard to understand. What is evil? It isn't anything. Suffering is intentional. People that rape and murder and take advantage of others are just fulfilling that role to live that experience, take those consequences, understand those emotions, including regret and remorse. The ones victimized are getting the flipside of the same emotion. It isn't evil, it just is what it is. An experience.


Well, I can certainly understand why you had a hard time grasping that concept. In fact, I'm going to have to try and wrap my head around that one and chew on it for awhile too.

Thanks for sharing.

BTW, I couldn't help but notice your comment about the Satanists. Did you ever talk to your sister or any of them yourself to try and get a full grasp on why Satan was so real for them? Have you ever done any research on the spiritual realm?



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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So, NOTurTypical, what are your views on picking your own mission in this life before you even arrive here?



Not sure what you're asking me. I think we are formed by God in our mother's womb. I don't believe we are pre-existent entities.



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:08 PM
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Do you really get a bad rap? OR do you bring it on yourself? You said this...


Being nice to strangers in today's world will get you nowhere. If you want to get ahead, if you want to really get yourself close to the top... you've got to reach out and take it and screw those in your way.


That is going to get you a bad rap. That is probably eventually going to get you killed or locked up. I don't know a thing about Satanists, but now I know this, from your own words, and I don't like it, or you. Not because you are a Satanist, which I am naive about, but because you have admitted to intentionally screwing the people in your way and taking what you want.

I've had those urges before. If this were the jungle, I would be a top predator with a harem of females. I am typically the bigger, stronger, faster, smarter person, I could just take what I want and screw anyone that gets in my way, but my spirituality (NOT Christianity) stops me from doing those things, because I realize I'm part of something bigger and more important than my primal urges. Your religion apparently teaches you those urges are OK to just run with? Not a good thing for you, because eventually you will run into a ME in real life, and your God won't be there to protect you. You are being misled.



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:09 PM
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He just happens to be the make-believe invisible guy who's morals and values most closely match my own.


So, is he real to you or not?

What do you practice? What types of rituals do you perform?

What advantage has it given you in life?



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by Evolutionsend
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I do not call myself a Christian, nor do I want to be roped into the same group as the many mainstream Christians. The word for me has been tarnished by the actions of a few that were far from what a Christian should be.

Notice the scripture being tossed around and paraphrased using popular interpritation. Modern Christians seem to go with the simplest explanation for each part of the bible, while ignoring the fact that the book should work as a whole to be more than just a collection of single passages. The word of God is complicated.


That's an odd stance to take considering Christ warned beforehand there would be wolves masquerading as sheep.



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:14 PM
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I support your right to worship as you see fit 100%. When I was a young child I thought pictures of horned men and statements like "HAIL SATAN!" were cool too. Then I realized that the accompanying reality that comes with the cute works of fiction was more than anyone's stomach could handle.



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:17 PM
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BTW, I couldn't help but notice your comment about the Satanists. Did you ever talk to your sister or any of them yourself to try and get a full grasp on why Satan was so real for them? Have you ever done any research on the spiritual realm?


I've spoken with the leader's younger sister many, many times. He was a great kid, smart, athletic, popular, good looking. His parents have money. Everything came easy for him, and he still wanted more. They started dabbling with the occult. Killed some family pets, his friends got involved. There were 4 of them mainly, but one was a bit of an outcast. Newberry. He was a misfit, but they kept him around, because he could get them drugs. The little rural town was very Christian and uptight. These 4 would act out stuff in the woods, kill animals, do drugs, and it just started becoming real to them. They decided it was time to kill a human, and the 4 of them grabbed baseball bats and started marching into the woods. All 4 knew that only 3 would return, but Newberry didn't know that the other 3 had already decided he was going to be the one to die. They beat him to death, and then they went to school the next day and bragged about it.

I don't know why it seemed so real to them. I think the drugs probably helped. I also think they just got caught up, and they were falsely attributing their successes to the satanism and not realizing they were already having success before that. I think they were probably a little bit sociopathic, thinking the rules didn't apply to them. It is a popular meme among successful and well-to-do kids. They think they're above the rules.

It impacted the town for more than a decade. It was hard on everyone, there was panic, it was almost a Salem Witch Trials type of event. People become way overly religious, got re-Baptized, the school shut down pretty much all extra-curricular activities, younger kids were afraid they were going to get caught up in it. There were rumors of hit lists and such.

On a comical note, the poor Baseball team.
They got heckled everywhere. Including my school. We were relentless! A kid from Carl Junction holding a baseball bat during that time, just damn. Those poor guys just trying to play a game, with the other team, and the crowds letting them have it.



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:27 PM
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I believe you are right and wrong... Lucifer is in fact our friend.. however the NWO that WAS planned were not his agents nor Gods...theres a new New World Order coming and its one that will uplift mankind to his\her highest potential!!!



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

That's an odd stance to take considering Christ warned beforehand there would be wolves masquerading as sheep.


I consider that a direct warning to the modern Christians with evil in their hearts. It's a clear and direct warning that pops out at you, like any warning should. Amazing how many people ignore it. Just like all the other warning labels in life right?



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by Deetermined
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So, NOTurTypical, what are your views on picking your own mission in this life before you even arrive here?



Not sure what you're asking me. I think we are formed by God in our mother's womb. I don't believe we are pre-existent entities.


When Father was speaking to all of man, you don't believe he was speaking to mans spirits that were above before they were sent to Earth?



God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground. ”


The quote above, man was not on the Earth as of yet.



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:36 PM
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Originally posted by Evolutionsend

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

That's an odd stance to take considering Christ warned beforehand there would be wolves masquerading as sheep.


I consider that a direct warning to the modern Christians with evil in their hearts. It's a clear and direct warning that pops out at you, like any warning should. Amazing how many people ignore it. Just like all the other warning labels in life right?


I don't think it's really anything to worry about. We're told we would know them by their fruit. But I'm basically saying you don't burn all your cash because their are counterfeits on the market do ya?



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:36 PM
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The devil is a part of god... It is part of the duality that was created.. imagine a world where everything was too perfect... would not be too realistic now would it? Lucifer is a part of God..and IS GOD



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:39 PM
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Back up 1 verse to 27, man was created and placed in the garden before He said that. And in Jeremiah God says that He forms us in our mother's wombs. Christ came from above, not sons of Adam.



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:43 PM
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bible has been manipulated.. put trust within yourself for truth.. do not trust words written on paper by a man..



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Back up 1 verse to 27, man was created and placed in the garden before He said that. And in Jeremiah God says that He forms us in our mother's wombs. Christ came from above, not sons of Adam.


Actually, in Chapter 2, it says they were placed not in Chapter 1. But, Christ came from above, yes. Mans spirit comes from above as well, just not like Christ or the angels do. They do not interact, they sit in a suspended state until they are called. The body is formed in the womb, but when the baby takes the first breath is when the spirit enters. Do you believe this to be true?

Genesis 2:15


15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.


Genesis 2:7


7 Then the Lord God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.


Chapter 1 describes the creation of the soul, Chapter 2 describers creation of the body.
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posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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So, NOTurTypical, what are your views on picking your own mission in this life before you even arrive here?



I had a dream once, at least i think it was a dream. Seemed more like a memory though. I've had alot of dreams come true, and when it does it always feel like deja vu to me. I remember in this dream i was in a type of garden, lush and green. There was no sunlight, but there was light. Then someone called to me, and i went to him and he was standing near a pool of water fed by a stream, but the pool never seemed to overrun even though it was fed by this stream. As i looked up we started talking and i could see the stars, galaxies, nebula etc. and then all of a sudden the conversation turned towards earth and i saw people crying and in sorrow and despair and stricken with grief and hopelessness. He told me the truth had been delivered to them and salvation was theirs, but they wouldn't accept it. Few did, most did not. I could see it grieved him to see the people in pain. I didn't know what it was to have sorrow, i didn't understand why people felt the way they did, it was alien to me. I wanted to experience why they grieved and despaired so i volunteered for a mission to go there. He said he wouldn't force me to go because if i went i could lose my soul, I didn't understand what he meant by lose my soul, but i wanted to go to earth to glorify and magnify his name and bring peace to those who suffered. Then another came, i guess he heard us talking and he volunteered to come with me to help. The next thing i saw myself falling to the earth down through sky and into a hospital and through hospital floors and into a ER and just before i woke up i saw my mom and everything went dark.

It wasn't a scary dream, it was like being in someone elses head while they talked, but it was my mouth speaking but it had a disconnected feeling to it, like i was both disembodied yet at the same time i was not. I dunno if it was real, probably just a dream, but i was born a twin. I dunno if anyone has heard of a veil of forgetfullness or not, but that term tickles the back of my mind.
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posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:48 PM
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It's gotten so bad that many do not want to listen. You've seen them in the thread already. If they will not listen to us, and they will not read the book, then how will they learn to tell the difference?

You can call yourself whatever you desire. I choose not to use the word and seperate myself from it because I think I can do more to help by not declaring myself a Christian.

I was once in the situation of, not listening to the Christians, and not reading the book. I think many people are.
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