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Lives lost after rescue plea denied

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posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 07:06 AM
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Lives lost after rescue plea denied


www.stuff.co.nz

Australian authorities refused to co-ordinate the search and rescue for the asylum seeker boat known as the Barokah, which sank in December killing about 200 people, despite pleas for help from Indonesia.

Documents obtained by The Sun-Herald under freedom of information reveal that Australia's maritime authority told Indonesia's search and rescue agency that it was up to them to lead the mission into the maritime tragedy, which resulted in the biggest loss of life since the SIEV X in 2001 in which 353 people drowned.
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 07:06 AM
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This is a situation that any government would struggle to formulate a plan to contain the thousands of illegal people trying to breach their borders .
I really feel sorry for Australia , they are spending many millions of $ trying to sift through thousands of so called refugees to weed out he genuine from the fake .


www.stuff.co.nz
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 07:11 AM
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I think the Indonesian government should start a hard ass / take no prisoners approach to these scumbag human traffickers so boat owners will be to scared to take the risk of being caught.



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 07:43 AM
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As an Australian I am sick and tired of the Aussie Govt / UN / Bleeding hearts telling us about these 'poor refugees.'

I remember an article how this 'typical' family where the father was a goat herder who only made $US20.00 a month and it wasn't enough.

Come off the grass!

Let's see. Cost to get to Australia from the Middle East.

Air fares from Country of Origin to Germany then to Hong Kong then to Indonesia. Then pay $10,000.00 per person to get on the worst boat you have ever seen. The boats have to be this bad because Australia burns them.

The only people that can afford this trip make a lot of money. Where would an honest person in these refugee type countries get that sort of wealth. Drug running and Gun running.

You would be hard put to find a real refugee in each boat.

The first thing they do as they get close is to throw their passports in the sea. The second thing they do is to lie about who they are and where their from. No wonder it is so hard to process them. The first thing they do is to lie. Well, obviously they will make good citizens won't they!

Send just one boatload straight back or change the laws so they do not have access to our legal system and they stop coming. Little Johnny Howard sorted them out and the boats stopped coming. Then Labour had to prove how good they were at stuffing things up.

P



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by pheonix358
Send just one boatload straight back or change the laws so they do not have access to our legal system and they stop coming. Little Johnny Howard sorted them out and the boats stopped coming. Then Labour had to prove how good they were at stuffing things up.


Antagonising the Indonesians isn't something we want to risk doing. At least, that's the lever that Uncle Sam has always used against any assertions of national sovereignty we might make where he's concerned, anywayz.



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 08:20 AM
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The saddest thing about this thread is that 200 people died, and you've seemingly reduced them to sub-Human, without mentioning them, the loss of life, the tragedy of it.

If this were 200 Australians there would be memorial ceremonies, moments of silence, TV images of Australians weeping in the streets.

But because they're asylum seekers they're not worthy of even feeling sorrow for.

I love Australia, I have family living there. But for a country whose youth is perhaps the most worldly on the planet, traveling the globe as a way of life, the nation can really be a sickening example of xenophobia and isolationism.



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 10:23 AM
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Im really appalled at anyone who puts borders, economics, politics or religions, ANY ISMs (which are but insubstantial opinions) ahead of any human life. PERIOD. Anywhere, anytime. The world should have rescue rangers, paid volunteers from all nations with lots of funding if we are clinging to the slavery of a monied system, to sail in to all situations and joint lands, eco farms, set aside, to relocate any number of people who freely wish to abort any other system. There should be no slavery or forcing anyone.

People are all that matters.

And more importantly is that in this school, when the pencils go down, the exams are over, you pay the bill for every thought and action that demonstrates you are ready to progress to far better places, or not ready yet......



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 10:42 AM
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Putting my hand up as an Aussie here....

I feel sorry for the majority of refugees, I really do. They are simply poor people who think they are being given a chance at a better life.

I despise, however, the smugglers and their greedy methods. They couldn't care less about why these people are fleeing whatever country they are coming from - it's all for the money. If a few refugees die along the way, it's merely collateral damage to them.

Having said that, however, something has to be done about the seemingly endless tide of people seeking assistance making for our shores. We are being swamped down here, something has to change.



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
Im really appalled at anyone who puts borders, economics, politics or religions, ANY ISMs (which are but insubstantial opinions) ahead of any human life. PERIOD. Anywhere, anytime. The world should have rescue rangers, paid volunteers from all nations with lots of funding if we are clinging to the slavery of a monied system, to sail in to all situations and joint lands, eco farms, set aside, to relocate any number of people who freely wish to abort any other system. There should be no slavery or forcing anyone.

People are all that matters.

And more importantly is that in this school, when the pencils go down, the exams are over, you pay the bill for every thought and action that demonstrates you are ready to progress to far better places, or not ready yet......


Firstly, I am sure the world has some power rangers somewhere to do good deeds.
Go Go Power Rangers!!!

Secondly, paid volunteers? Someone who gets paid is NOT a volunteer. And who is forking the bill? If you think I am contributing my hard earned dollars to pay a volunteer to go on a mission then forget it. That's what churches are for.

Thirdly, relocation of people outside their system into a new one? That's called either: immigration, emigration, exile or deportation. In fact, there are many countries which deport illegal immigrants who emigrated out of their own country and immigrated illegally into the new country. This contradicts your freedom to choose where you live.

No slavery? I agree with you on this.

No forcing anyone? What do you mean by this?



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 10:52 AM
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These people were criminals one must agree as they died while committing a crime.
Sometimes criminals die while doing their crimes.
That is nature balancing the scales.
No harm no foul.



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 11:52 AM
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Greetings pheonix358, ATS Readers, Writers,

These OZZY threads really attract me as I am looking to be living in the Brisbane area fairly soon.
Waiting period whilst partner Visa is "assessed"..lol.

I talk to a few of my Ozzie buddies about this, and my wife of course as well.... and it is quite a MESS!! This immigrant boat people issue. And the Christmas Island mess as well....

I got one Ozzy buddy who wants to OPEN THE FRICKING GATES to all of them.. (sigh).. Bless his heart, I KNOW he means well, but holy crap mate. LOL, yes, some of his room mates have accused him of being a socialist. I told him if they did that; there would be a million a week showing up! NO WAY.. insanity..

Indonesia is a real "horses rear" on things too... My wife said there was a boatload of folks that got in trouble, and they were NOT very far offshore (40 nautical miles) from Indonesia, and they were hollering for Australia Navy to handle the disaster.

It is Indonesia who seems to not give a damn about peoples lives... why didnt they lift a finger to help their people, when this happened real close to their shores?

You do bring up a good point on financing the trip over... an article my wife read to me said a lot of them are financed by their community or extended family members..

It is a VERY complicated mess. Here are TWO LINKS on this issue my wife, the search queen, found for me. LONG reads, but informative and not so one sided in its "opinion" or slant.

digitaljournal.com.....

AND

newsfeedresearcher.com... ml

The Oz government is currently "watching" a situation in Pakistan, where the government THERE is about to expel 100's of thousands of AFGHAN refugees. How many of them will turn into boat people, and head towards OZ?? This is mentioned in the second link above...

Indonesia says it will not tolerate boats being forced back to Indonesia, because they claim the people did not COME FROM Indonesia, they came from other countries, NO PAPERS, passports.. PROVE THEY WERE INDONESIANS!! They say...

Of course NO ONE is saying all, or most.. of these refugees are being generated by all these damn wars certain world leaders just had to get started, and keep going for near 12 years now... cough cough..

I read where a LOT of the refugees are from Sri Lanka, ex Tamil tiger sympathizers, or soldiers, etc. So Indo nesia has some grounds for an argument.. for not sending all of them BACK to Indonesia..

But doesnt Indonesia have some responsibility from keeping them from illegally entering their country?? Thats just one of my questions...lol..

Australia DOES have a VERY diverse population NOW... from all over the world.. but you will find 99% of this diversity in three basic big city areas. Brisbane has lots of immigrants and I saw a mosque or two when I was there visiting my wife...

Sadly, it seems that Australia is where "the buck stops", but they are in no way responsible for the cess pool mess of politics and sorry ass governments throughout southeast Asia who created this mess.. and the world wants to dump it on OZ's shoulders.. well THAT AINT RIGHT EITHER!!

The world is BLEEDING refugees.. more people are moving or displaced by wars or disasters or something than in recorded history, according to my wife, she is hunting for the link as I type this.. 43.7 million people are displaced worldwide..

UNHCR reports..

www.unhcr.org...

When the coming world war gets going, or Fukushima finally falls completely apart we will see a gigantic increase in displaced people, ...

Australia is in no shape for a massive influx of people, the infrastructure is not there.. and when in the future this infrastructure gets built; it needs to be built with PRESERVING OZ and OZ culture, and flora and fauna!

Here is the current UNHCR statement on the Australia-Malaysia Arrangement

www.unhcr.org...

Its a tangled web for sure, not black and white at all.

Pravdaseeker



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 02:40 PM
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I'd gladly exchange 100 aussies for 1 refugee tbh.



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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I am talking about an infrastructure that is organized and therefore would have be paid, it would be the top group of rescue emergency responders with shared equipment from all the nations, and joint lands, eco villages, not barbed wired detention centers, or refugee camps.

I most certainly have always believed in a One World with some international high civilized workings, and then all the way down through nations to local communities, what I don't agree with is NWO and Corporate/Banking ways of doing anything. It has to be run by the people for the people, and whatever types of organziations do this, they should be not written in stone, ie. anything anyone does anywhere is not written in stone, its just an experiment and should be flexible so improvements can be made, and answerable to a very well educated people who has citizens committees, who can rally removal of corrupt elements quickly.

We have all the technology now to live well, to automate lots of the harder jobs, and should have moved far beyond the basic grueling struggle to survive into level 1 and level 2 civizations according the Drake Formula, we've already solved those problems many times over.

That this world is being run the way it is in an artificial bubble of the past, in past technology, by this corrupt slaver group at the top who treat human life as if its nothing but a dot on a ledger n their board rooms, is insane.

But even more so, your soul won't progress to better worlds until you see the basic ABC's and 123's of this one.

And this one is about LOVE and EQUALITY.



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by pillock

Lives lost after rescue plea denied


www.stuff.co.nz

Australian authorities refused to co-ordinate the search and rescue for the asylum seeker boat known as the Barokah, which sank in December killing about 200 people, despite pleas for help from Indonesia.

Documents obtained by The Sun-Herald under freedom of information reveal that Australia's maritime authority told Indonesia's search and rescue agency that it was up to them to lead the mission into the maritime tragedy, which resulted in the biggest loss of life since the SIEV X in 2001 in which 353 people drowned.
(visit the link for the full news article)



Firstly we have no obligation to help this was in INDONESIAN WATERS!!! Nothing to do with Australia.

And secondly, they are not asylum seekers if they were they would stay in the many numerous countries they pass through to get here. For example, India, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Indonesia are all safe havens yet they aren't staying there.
They are nothing more than economic refugees wanting to live with the white man, NO.



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:46 PM
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^^^ The flippant comments from the above posters including the OP, was just disgusting.



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by star in a jar
reply to post by detachedindividual
 


^^^ The flippant comments from the above posters including the OP, was just disgusting.



Unless your Australian you have no say on our asylum policy.

edit on 8-7-2012 by CrimsonKapital because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by CrimsonKapital

Firstly we have no obligation to help this was in INDONESIAN WATERS!!! Nothing to do with Australia.


Exactly right - as per the article quoted:


A spokeswoman for the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) said the decision about the Barokah was made because the boat was inside the Indonesian search and rescue zone. She said the agency offered support for planning and drift modelling.


International search and rescue is made up of various zones for which specific countries have agreed to accept responsibility.

The aussies did EXACTLY what they were supposed to do when they notified the Indonesians - if the Indo's then wanted help they could have asked for it, but I do not read anywhere that they did so.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 03:06 AM
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I am very much in favor of a strict immigration control, but this is not the right way at all. They should have rescued them, and then deported them.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 03:39 AM
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Personally i don't give a flying *$%k who or what government you are....Stop putting borders before people....Who the heck is Australia anyways...a blooming former penal colony that ousted the native population and have the gull to call it their own....Listen to the aboriginals...the land belongs to no one....simple as that.

Time for people to take back mother earth from the enslavers of mankind....no one single country has any right to have borders...Remove all the borders so people can start to be just that...PEOPLE.

Maybe the shoe might be on the other foot when countries start to become invaded and your families have to flee tyranny and maybe you too can be abandon at sea in some sort of sinking boat.

The Assuies forget where they come from ....but don't worry it is not just the Aussies...it is all conquering nations...All people seem to think they have a right to some part of this planet....We all enter this plane of existence naked...we do not choose where we are born ....we do not choose whose government rules us....we are born into it....

what just happened is Australia decided to just murder 200 people that is what has occurred...they are not black...they are not asian...they are not indonesian they are nothing more than people.

Other than that...move along...nothing to see here....just another 200 human lives laid to waste.....maybe they could not have been saved...but not to try is murder.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 03:54 AM
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I'm sick and tired of xenophobic people whining on here about refugees this, immigrants that. It's an act that's beyond stale.

As another poster said, if it were 200 Australians, you'd be memorializing every single one of them.

Refugees are people too and certainly not sub-human.

The people who bitch, moan, attack, kill, maim refugees are the REAL animals! If you were a political refugee, wouldn't it piss you off if someone compared YOU to an animal?




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