Looks like these shops are misusing a loophole meant for pipe tobacco. This new law will correct that loophole. So?

The new federal law makes it harder for stores with roll-your-own cigarette machines to classify the tobacco they sell as pipe tobacco –- which is taxed at a lower rate than cigarette tobacco.

Want to smoke tobacco without paying taxes? Grow and cure your own. Problem, solution.

Originally posted by stanguilles7
Looks like these shops are misusing a loophole meant for pipe tobacco. This new law will correct that loophole. So?

The new federal law makes it harder for stores with roll-your-own cigarette machines to classify the tobacco they sell as pipe tobacco –- which is taxed at a lower rate than cigarette tobacco.

Want to smoke tobacco without paying taxes? Grow and cure your own. Problem, solution.

Better solution:
Hand-roll them yourself at home.

I have been rolling my own butts for a while now, but I do it myself at home with a rolling machine. It takes me about a half hour to roll, and pack down, about 5 packs, I never use the store machines.

I also notice a big difference in chemical tastes between the main brands I use to buy and the pipe tobacco I roll myself. American cigarettes have that chemical that extinguishes the cigarette when it's sitting there for about 1 minute, fire safe cigarettes, and that chemical tastes awful.

Buy a $30 rolling machine and do it yourself, or use a pipe, the bags of tobacco will always be available to buy.

Originally posted by stanguilles7
Looks like these shops are misusing a loophole meant for pipe tobacco. This new law will correct that loophole. So?

The new federal law makes it harder for stores with roll-your-own cigarette machines to classify the tobacco they sell as pipe tobacco –- which is taxed at a lower rate than cigarette tobacco.

Want to smoke tobacco without paying taxes? Grow and cure your own. Problem, solution.

encouraging the gov to make people pay more for their personal preferences and freedoms to consume, use, like what they wish that causes no one else harm, is a slippery slope with a cliff attached.

Originally posted by LittleBlackEagle

Originally posted by stanguilles7
Looks like these shops are misusing a loophole meant for pipe tobacco. This new law will correct that loophole. So?

The new federal law makes it harder for stores with roll-your-own cigarette machines to classify the tobacco they sell as pipe tobacco –- which is taxed at a lower rate than cigarette tobacco.

Want to smoke tobacco without paying taxes? Grow and cure your own. Problem, solution.

encouraging the gov to make people pay more for their personal preferences and freedoms to consume, use, like what they wish that causes no one else harm, is a slippery slope with a cliff attached.

Sure. But all this is doing is closing a loophole meant to allow people to sell pipe tobacco. I'm all for personal liberty, direct and explicit. Not people misusing loopholes.

And like I said, you are free to grow and cue your own. I've done it before. Empower yourself instead of blaming the 'government'.

Originally posted by JibbyJedi
I have been rolling my own butts for a while now, but I do it myself at home with a rolling machine. It takes me about a half hour to roll, and pack down, about 5 packs, I never use the store machines.

I also notice a big difference in chemical tastes between the main brands I use to buy and the pipe tobacco I roll myself. American cigarettes have that chemical that extinguishes the cigarette when it's sitting there for about 1 minute, fire safe cigarettes, and that chemical tastes awful.

Buy a $30 rolling machine and do it yourself, or use a pipe, the bags of tobacco will always be available to buy.

your reply helped me realize i have this issue confused. as it sounded at first they wanted to tax the raw materials higher but i now think i understand it as they want to tax stores that roll them for you and sell them pre rolled is that correct?

I went into the RYO joint that I frequent in my town last week. They said the machines had to be out by July 7th. The place was mobbed as everyone was rolling 3-4 cartons rather than the normal single carton. I did the same. They say they will stay open and continue to sell loose tobacco and rolling supplies. They are also looking at an alternative use for the machines. One idea was a membership club that allows you to use the machine as a perk, located off premise.

Originally posted by JibbyJedi
I have been rolling my own butts for a while now, but I do it myself at home with a rolling machine. It takes me about a half hour to roll, and pack down, about 5 packs, I never use the store machines.

I also notice a big difference in chemical tastes between the main brands I use to buy and the pipe tobacco I roll myself. American cigarettes have that chemical that extinguishes the cigarette when it's sitting there for about 1 minute, fire safe cigarettes, and that chemical tastes awful.

Buy a $30 rolling machine and do it yourself, or use a pipe, the bags of tobacco will always be available to buy.

I began rolling my own at home with loose tobacco a few years ago, and since then my chest problems have disappeared.

A long-time sufferer of chronic asthma and chronic bronchitis, these conditions have cleared up since I gave up packet cigarettes.

A pack of smokes just went up another dollar here in Illinois.

It is funny how the government thinks you can tax yourself out of debt. It doesn't work. We are on our way to rival NY's cig prices.

I am seriously going to quit. Screw rolling my own. I did it for a long time and it just isn't worth it to me.

I want to quit and write a letter to the governor and tell him that he needs to subtract my tax totals from the "projected" amount of revenue generated by the taxes. In the long run I might even tell him that the state has forced me to look for a place to live other than this messed up state.

These people need to do a better job of spending the money they already bring in.

Originally posted by LittleBlackEagle

your reply helped me realize i have this issue confused. as it sounded at first they wanted to tax the raw materials higher but i now think i understand it as they want to tax stores that roll them for you and sell them pre rolled is that correct?

Exactly. It's a loophole that allowed traditional tobacco stores to basically pretend they were only selling roll and pipe tobacco, when what they were actually doing is still selling people regular cigarettes.

I roll my own as well. I buy a bag of Kentucky select tobacco for $23 and 400 cig tubes for about 6 bucks. This last me a month. With tax it is around $37? Anyway, it comes out to a little over a dollar a pack the last time I did the calculations. That is compared to $5 a pack for store bought in Alabama. I am not worried about their in store rolling machines anyway. I have a topomatic machine at home that is awesome!

Oh man, we're getting screwed over royally in this country. A pack of 30 cigs is around 17-20 bucks on average. My 30g wallet of Port Royal is about 16-18 bucks. A carton of 30's around 110 bucks!!

I'm solving my cigarette problem with an E-smoke. E-smokes vaporize liquid nicotine, so there is no combustion of paper, nor any smoke to inhale. It's simply vapour.
Big-pharma doesn't get my money anymore, nor do the tobacco companies. A "carton" of E-liquid runs me about $22, which is way cheaper than the $80 I was spending before. I no longer have a smokers cough, I don't smell like tobacco, and I can smoke my E-smoke anywhere!

15 years of rolling my own after being diagnosed with COPD.. I had also told that it was likely that my teeth would fall out due to a gum disease but I have had no symptoms of COPD and the dental problem was corrected by a deep cleaning procedure.... There is only one brand of cigarette tobacco I can smoke without having respiratory problems within a week.. I can't smoke any pipe tobacco I have tried though I have found a few mixes that taste real good they all have me feeling bad in a short period of time.... I spend about $80.00 a month on tobacco and filter tubes.