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Today's X1 flare - CME or Laser Beam???

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posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 07:14 AM
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Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE

Sure, but I would have thought it would be obvious. That picture you gave was quite beautiful - but I have no idea where it came from or what it is - how close or far from the light it was taken - it could be CGI for all I know - but I do know where the picture I took is from - capturing natural phenomenon - that do not appear to have the random/chaotic pattern associated with fluid systems as the surface of the Sun is. I wish I could give formulae/laws for why it should not be this way, but astrophysics, thermodyanamics and fluid dynamics are not my strong suits - though I do have some basic understanding.



If you don't know where the picture came from, then it means you didn't bother to read the link I gave in the post for Diffraction Spikes.

Here is a Google search result for images of Diffraction Spikes:

Diffraction Spike Images

There are a multitude of images there from stars, galaxies, the sun and man made lights in that link.




posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE

Originally posted by InhaleExhale

If you can't spot the difference I cannot help you, and will leave you to your soon to be determined fate/karma


I'm curious you find my above statement threatening. All I said is that I would leave the poster to his fate/karma - how is that threatening? I must assume you understand the concept of karma and further infer that if you find that statement threatening - that you feel you have done sufficiently "bad" things in your life to warrant unpleasant karma - otherwise it wouldn't be threatening to you.

Anyways, I said it as a joke - I should have added a smile or a wink at the end of the sentence. I certainly didn't want to alarm anyone. I have read that only those that have interfered in the free will of other souls will suffer a truly horrible karma - if you haven't done that you have nothing to worry about.

Did you know light can activate your DNA? I think these pulses may be activating our DNA in some way - I must explore this further.

Anyway, I'm afraid we're all going to have to agree to disagree - that X-flare looked too highly ordered to be anything natural - just like the triangle on the Sun. And until I can by-pass NASA and fly a spaceship out there myself or I'm convinced NASA has changed it's ways and not anymore primarily an arm of the defense and intelligence agencies - I refuse to believe anything they say. They cannot be trusted. Don't be gullible.



Would you please hurry up and post your ultimate planet X thread and please stop using a threatening tone telling posters that see differently from you.


This may be a moot point now. I've recently done more research and discovered that if you are mentally, spiritually and physically prepared you can weather any earth changes and take part in the new golden age.
edit on 8-7-2012 by PlanetXisHERE because: addendum


Please re-read what you wrote, You wrote "If you can't spot the difference I cannot help you, and will leave you to your soon to be determined fate/karma" Soon to be determined, Will your fate soon be determined as well? Or is it people who perceive things differently to you that will have their fate Soon determined?

Instead of explaining why you think a higher resolution image is somehow a altered/different version of a low resolution image, you tell us you cant help us and will leave us to our determined fate /Karma.

Thats almost like punching me in the face and then telling me it wasnt an act of violence



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by eriktheawful

If you don't know where the picture came from, then it means you didn't bother to read the link I gave in the post for Diffraction Spikes.

Here is a Google search result for images of Diffraction Spikes:

Diffraction Spike Images

There are a multitude of images there from stars, galaxies, the sun and man made lights in that link.



Okay, I read it.

Now I'm more convinced this is not a diffraction spike.

In the pictures you gave me, all the diffraction spikes are secondary to the main source of light. In this picture, the "X" is the main source of light. How can the diffraction spike be the main source of light? Isn't one caused by the main source?




posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 09:55 AM
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Now I'm more convinced this is not a diffraction spike.

In the pictures you gave me, all the diffraction spikes are secondary to the main source of light. In this picture, the "X" is the main source of light. How can the diffraction spike be the main source of light? Isn't one caused by the main source?


It has nothing to do with being the main source of light or not. It is a question of it being a very bright point source of light.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by InhaleExhale
Please re-read what you wrote, You wrote "If you can't spot the difference I cannot help you, and will leave you to your soon to be determined fate/karma" Soon to be determined, Will your fate soon be determined as well? Or is it people who perceive things differently to you that will have their fate Soon determined?

Instead of explaining why you think a higher resolution image is somehow a altered/different version of a low resolution image, you tell us you cant help us and will leave us to our determined fate /Karma.

Thats almost like punching me in the face and then telling me it wasnt an act of violence


I'm just tired of people telling me the emperor is wearing clothes, that's all. Like a triangle on the Sun is normal, or the Bosnian pyramid just looks like a pyramid because the rocks all happened to line up with almost exact pyramidal form and planar surfaces. But then I remember that the "knowledge management specialist" career opportunities have been growing in recent years. It is so convenient, many do it from the comfort of their own homes.

If you have had a good life and not interfered in the free will of others, you have nothing to worry about. Don't be so melodramtic.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 10:11 AM
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If you have had a good life and not interfered in the free will of others, you have nothing to worry about.


Is this to be construed as a threat? Why don't you simply lay your whole agenda out for us, instead of leaving dribbles here and there.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001
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If you have had a good life and not interfered in the free will of others, you have nothing to worry about.


Is this to be construed as a threat? Why don't you simply lay your whole agenda out for us, instead of leaving dribbles here and there.


How can you possibly consider that a threat? I'm just quoting what can be found on many sites about spiritual awareness and karma. If you don't believe in karma - what would you worry about? And if you do believe in karma, why would you partake in any activity that might jeopardize your karma? Have you interfered with the free will of others for negative or nefarious purposes? (apart from children, pets etc)
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posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 10:23 AM
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How can you possibly consider that a threat? I'm just quoting what can be found on many sites about spiritual awareness and karma.


Stop worrying about other peoples' karma and look to your own. What is the point of your one man Planet X campaign?



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 10:36 AM
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Stop worrying about other peoples' karma and look to your own.


I'm always working on my karma or activities that should aid it. You're the one who seemed to want to talk about it.



What is the point of your one man Planet X campaign?


I have varying interests as you can see by my participation in many thread topics; perhaps my choice of names was somewhat misrepresentative. Anyway, my primary concern is with the welfare of my fellow man, not any agendas the help the elite retain their power/money/control/lives. That and the truth. Do you have a problem with that?



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edit on 9-7-2012 by PlanetXisHERE because: epiphany



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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Anyway, my primary concern is with the welfare of my fellow man, not any agendas the help the elite retain their power/money/control/lives. That and the truth. Do you have a problem with that?


That would depend on what you consider the welfare of your fellow man to be, wouldn't it? Your veiled threats against those who point out how you misunderstand and even distort the truth make me wonder.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001
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Anyway, my primary concern is with the welfare of my fellow man, not any agendas the help the elite retain their power/money/control/lives. That and the truth. Do you have a problem with that?


That would depend on what you consider the welfare of your fellow man to be, wouldn't it? Your veiled threats against those who point out how you misunderstand and even distort the truth make me wonder.


Please show me where I have knowingly distorted the truth.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 10:59 AM
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Then it means you are not understanding how light affects optics and cameras.

When you look at the images that have diffraction spikes on the stars, the star's center is the brightest point of light in that source of light.

The picture of the flare, the flare itself is a very bright point of light as compared to the surrounding light source.

For telescopes, the mounting hardware for the secondary mirrors can create this affect. A telescope with four mounting rods will produce a cross. Telescopes with more than 4 rods, or different configurations will produce multiple spikes pointed in various directions.

A camera's aperture blades can also produce differential spikes (IE no telescope needed), if the f/stop is cranked down. The amount of spikes (or lines) will depend upon how many blades the camera's aperture has.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 11:06 AM
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Please show me where I have knowingly distorted the truth.


Where to start?


So, if everything about this "flare" is normal, why is the Space Weather image now heavily photoshopped and changed from the original image? The new image alters the pencil thin/laser like appearance of the original image. What are they trying to hide? Anyone who believes what NASA is feeding them is truly gullible.


www.abovetopsecret.com...

First of all, Space Weather is not NASA, and can alter images for editorial purposes. Secondly, solar observatory satellites monitor the Sun in a range of wavelengths; these images can be stacked in a variety of ways, depending on the visualization required. Furthermore, all of these images are available in a range of resolutions, which can lead to more or less detail being available. No-one intentionally altered anything to conceal anything. If you have been haunting the STEREO sight you would know all this. Instead, you turn to innuendo. Why? What are you trying to get people to believe? How would this benefit their welfare?



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by eriktheawful
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Then it means you are not understanding how light affects optics and cameras.

When you look at the images that have diffraction spikes on the stars, the star's center is the brightest point of light in that source of light.

The picture of the flare, the flare itself is a very bright point of light as compared to the surrounding light source.

For telescopes, the mounting hardware for the secondary mirrors can create this affect. A telescope with four mounting rods will produce a cross. Telescopes with more than 4 rods, or different configurations will produce multiple spikes pointed in various directions.

A camera's aperture blades can also produce differential spikes (IE no telescope needed), if the f/stop is cranked down. The amount of spikes (or lines) will depend upon how many blades the camera's aperture has.



A sincere thanks Erik, I appreciate your attempts to educate and your patience to explain without any hyperbole or judgement. I will read up further on this and incorporate this knowledge you have shared.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 11:10 AM
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This is an illustration from cameratechnica.com that PX apparently refuses to acknowledge. Chad posted this early in the thread.




posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 11:19 AM
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Here is what the article says:


What conditions are necessary for starbursts?



An intensely bright and stationary light in the field of view – the setting Sun, a Christmas tree light or a lamp post will do nicely. A flickering candle, however, will not produce a starburst since the movement of the flame will result in a blur.


Which seems to indicate to me, and actually says "an intensely bright.......", and yet when I look at my picture, the only bright light I can see is the so called "diffraction spike itself". Where is the flare? You can hardly see it in contrast to the Jupiter sized "X". However Erik posted a possible answer to that above which I am looking into. Happy? Like I care..............I just want the truth and have a minimal ego so classic psychological diminishment/isolation strategies are not effective.
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posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 12:18 PM
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You are most welcome.

Keep in mind that it's important to understand all aspects of something in order to come to a good conclusion.

Any good researcher will include things that they may not believe or support in their quest for understanding something.

This is why even though I do not believe in say Nibiru, I have read a lot of books on the subject and yes watched a lot of videos/shows on it, while at the same time keeping myself educated in astronomy and astrophysics.

In other words: I examine all the data and not exclude some of the data because I'm biased against it. That is folly and can bring about wrong conclusions.



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 12:22 AM
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edit on 11-7-2012 by azureskys because: would not transfer my coppied ex-text proper so I removed it all



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001
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Please show me where I have knowingly distorted the truth.


Where to start?


So, if everything about this "flare" is normal, why is the Space Weather image now heavily photoshopped and changed from the original image? The new image alters the pencil thin/laser like appearance of the original image. What are they trying to hide? Anyone who believes what NASA is feeding them is truly gullible.


www.abovetopsecret.com...

. No-one intentionally altered anything to conceal anything. If you have been haunting the STEREO sight you would know all this. Instead, you turn to innuendo. Why? What are you trying to get people to believe? How would this benefit their welfare?


Hahaha..................there is so much proof out there of SOHO/SDO altered data/images, I don't even have to leave this site to find a mountain of evidence, here are just a few threads from the first pages I found of HUNDREDS of threads when using the search phrase "SOHO altered images":

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Right now there is missing data from July 2nd to yesterday - sure, some of the stations/centers on the East coast were down - did the satellites stop recording?

How about hundreds of pictures on the site like this of missing/censored info?






posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 11:12 AM
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You seem to be confusing a solar flare with a CME. They are not the same thing.

CMEs are clouds of plasma ejected by the Sun

Flares are electromagnetic radiation (light, UV, x-rays). Not exactly a laser beam, more like an electrical arc. A very bright flash. What is seen in the images of the flare is the overloading of the devices by the intensity of the flare.

While CMEs are often associated with flares there can be flares without CMEs and CMEs without flares. In this case there was a CME which was associated with the flare.

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