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The Führer's Special Train (Führersonderzug in German) was a train which was frequently used by Hitler to travel between various headquarters throughout Europe.[1] It also served as headquarters itself; it was called FHQu Frühlingssturm (Spring Storm) when it was located at Mönichkirchen, Austria, during the Balkans Campaign in the spring of 1941. The train was named Führersonderzug "Amerika" in 1940, and later, Führersonderzug "Brandenburg".
Originally posted by Jocko Flocko
I've watched ATS over the last few years go down the toilet in terms of the garbage that is posted in these forums, but it really hits an all time low when absolute fecal matter such as holocaust denial is posted by the ignorant and uneducated. You anti-Semites really should consider going back to stormfront where you belong.
I've never read such disgusting trash in quite some time. Pathetic.edit on 7-7-2012 by Jocko Flocko because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Ookie
reply to post by Studenofhistory
Thank you for posting my point better than I ever could. I had a stroke last year and my typing ability went away so it takes a while to write. That leaves me dumbing things down and shortening them to the point that I sometimes come off in a bad way.
There are always 3 sides to any story. The winner's, the losers, and the truth. And most of the time the three have nothing in common.
Originally posted by Jocko Flocko
I've watched ATS over the last few years go down the toilet in terms of the garbage that is posted in these forums,
Originally posted by Mdv2
Originally posted by Jocko Flocko
I've watched ATS over the last few years go down the toilet in terms of the garbage that is posted in these forums,
Yeah, I've been member here for many years but I'm kind of done with it all. It also seems that many long-time members have left this place. Sad.
Originally posted by Studenofhistory
The problem with the politically correct interpretation of the Holocaust is that jews insist on all or nothing. You either accept the whole story 6 million deaths via gas chambers and all or you're a Holocaust denier. There are lots of people, me included, who are highly skeptical of the official version but who also accept the fact that jews were killed deliberately by nazis during WW2. That by itself is quite sufficient to be considered a tragedy and a basis for the Holocaust. it isn't necessary to embellish the tragedy with unsubstantiated myth about gas chambers and inflated numbers. The Nuremburg Trials never declared that 6 million jews had died in concentration camps. Expert testimony in the Ernst Zundel trial in Canada showed conclusively that the so called gas chamber at Auschwitz was never used as a gas chamber. Pre and post war censuses for world wide jews put out by the World Jewish Congress show a difference of less than 3 million. The official plaque at Auschwitz, which used to claim 4 million deaths from that camp alone, now says 1.5 million. So 2.5 million deaths have disappeared but the total is still 6 million? David Irving, who became famous for his meticulous research before stepping into the Holocaust minefield, makes the very good point that the allies were sending recon flights over Auschwitz on a regular basis and taking detailed photos which Irving found in the British archives. The logistical requirements that would have been necessary to kill 4 million people at Auschwitz would have required huge piles of coke for the crematoriums OR huge mass graves. Neither of those show up in the recon photos.
Irving has never claimed that no jews were killed. He has always admitted that the nazis via the SS committed murders against innocent people, including jews. The Holocaust debate doesn't have to be an all or nothing contest. In their zeal to exploit the 6 million deaths version for political gains in order to establish the state of Israel, the zionists have now backed all jews into a corner whereby it's becoming more and more difficult to justify the wholesale condemnation of anyone who dares to ask annoying questions about the accepted version.
Estimates of the total deaths in WW2 range from 30 to 50 million and only a small fraction of that total are deaths of military personnel. The rest are all civilians. There are plenty of atrocities to go around on both sides. Nobody vilifies the Russians because Stalin ordered millions of Ukrainians starved to death. Nobody vilifies the Japanese for their cruel treatment of civilians and POWs or the Rape of Nanking and nobody vilifies the English for systematic and persistent bombing of German cities long after there was any further military gain to be had from it but the Germans are vilified for what happened to the jews. Go ahead and call it payback or revenge because that's what it is but don't call it justice.