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Occupiers Celebrate 4th of July by…Burning American Flags and Vandalizing Police Property

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posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 06:55 PM
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monty pithon vids are serious stuff,
you dont just bring out monty pithon for the small stuff

you are premature
i neither run no walk away

nor is this the correct time to throw in monty vids



xploder




posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 06:57 PM
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what say you beezer can we agree on a debate tittle?
xploder



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 06:57 PM
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Our platform is personal responsibility and individualism.

You are welcome to choose a afacet that differs.



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 06:59 PM
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I will gladly be the fair and completely impartial moderator for said debate!

I will accept no monetary compensation for my services (though PayPal bribes are welcome).

May the best (most well-funded) debater win!



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by XPLodER
 


Our platform is personal responsibility and individualism.

You are welcome to choose a afacet that differs.



our platform is
1 law for all (all are created equal)
prosecutions are the only way to reform wall street who fund big government

please note,

this debate is not sanctioned by OWS, occupy and is MY personal OPINION
and does not reflect the thoughts and wishes of the horizontal democractic struture that is occupy

i am debating as an ATS member only and not as a rep of occupy


under these caveats
and upon agreement of this disclaimer i accept

xploder



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 07:03 PM
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pmsl

so the tea party is open to bribes
lol

joking

xploder



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 07:09 PM
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pmsl

so the tea party is open to bribes
lol

joking


Apparently some are…

A few signed NDAA, right?



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 07:09 PM
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I am not afraid to debate the topic. I WILL represent the Tea Party. As it follows T&C



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by XPLodER
 


I am not afraid to debate the topic. I WILL represent the Tea Party. As it follows T&C


i am not afraid to debate as long as it is understood,
i DONT represent OWS or Occupy

but i take up defending their position, in the act of public debate for the reasons of debate

xploder



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 07:18 PM
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i have 1 and a half hours now
or we can schedule a time convenient to both of us

xploder



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
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pmsl

so the tea party is open to bribes
lol

joking


Apparently some are…

A few signed NDAA, right?






pmsl

they must have got a shock when the people found out what they did


xploder



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 08:19 PM
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go head burn the flag. it should be burned. all it represents is hypocrisy. to less fortunate nations it might as well be a swastika



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by biggmoneyme
go head burn the flag. it should be burned. all it represents is hypocrisy. to less fortunate nations it might as well be a swastika


awesome anology, star for you and many stars for people who see the whole picture (xploder among a few others_
as i side note, is this cookiemonster9 guy serious or a troll?



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 09:11 PM
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If anyone here was capable of thinking critically, they might ask themselves what Occupy would have to gain from burning American flags.

The answer is nothing. This was almost certainly done by people attempting to discredit Occupy in the minds of conservatives, who knew said conservatives would predictably begin foaming at the mouth at the sight of an American flag burning.

Before you accuse me of defending Occupy above all else, here, I'm not. I think the movement is largely dead at this point anyway. My only objection in this case, is conservative stupidity. I mean, come on, guys; are you really that gullible?

Stop being led by the nose, seabag.
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posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 10:19 PM
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You are right they should just sit down hold hands.Then get tased and pepper sprayed.The only thing the police see anymore is violance.What is wrong with giving a little back?



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by petrus4
If anyone here was capable of thinking critically, they might ask themselves what Occupy would have to gain from burning American flags.

The answer is nothing. This was almost certainly done by people attempting to discredit Occupy in the minds of conservatives, who knew said conservatives would predictably begin foaming at the mouth at the sight of an American flag burning.

Before you accuse me of defending Occupy above all else, here, I'm not. I think the movement is largely dead at this point anyway. My only objection in this case, is conservative stupidity. I mean, come on, guys; are you really that gullible?

Stop being led by the nose, seabag.
edit on 7-7-2012 by petrus4 because: (no reason given)
What America all I see is the begining of a police state.The minute that officer walked down the line of kids holding hands.While pepper spraying them in the face I saw what is happening to "America" even if you had blinders on.If we treat our kids like that what do you think they are doing over seas?



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 10:52 PM
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and the people at the Occupy National Gathering in Philly over the week of July 4th did nothing of the sorts.. they peacefully protested the entire time.. u cant claim their all like that especially when thats one group of "occupy"



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by XPLodER

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by sonnny1

The Tea Party's Protect their own. I believe those Tactics only work, when the known Idea of the Police, and Regular OWS Protesters,are NOT going to do anything . Arrest, is the worst thing that will happen. Tea Party members, with Guns is an X Factor.


What, specifically, did the 'tea party' (brought to you by FreedomWorks) accomplish with their protests?


i can answer this

they voted FOR the NDAA
thats what they achived

the burning of the right to a court trial

go tea party



xploder


My point exactly.



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 11:11 PM
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I think it's kind of funny. Almost everyday I see right here on ATS calls for a revolution. People saying it's about time. Enough is enough. When are we going to get a spine and say we aren't going to take it any longer?
Some people just can't fake it til they make it. They are pissed off at America. America just bailed out big banks and left individuals to flounder in poverty and want. People are disenchanted with America becoming an authoritarian oligarchy, spying on it's own people. China, Afghanistan and many other areas on the planet are booming thanks to us, while our own country goes down the tubes.

And don't worry about the flag burners, it seems the Army has a solution.
Army Manual Outlines Plan to Kill Rioters, Demonstrators in America

The flag is to rally around, inspire a nation and represents a sense of community none of us really share any longer. We are islands. We like it that way.

I am not saying it's right but I am saying you cannot judge an entire group or movement by the actions of a few of them. Just like people shouldn't judge the whole Tea Party by the disrespect many show the President himself.
Wonder what requires our full respect more, the Office of President of the USA or the Flag?
Interesting question. I am sure it is written down somewhere.
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posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 11:26 PM
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I don't support OWS... or at least what it has turned into. From what I've personally seen, it looks like a bunch of teenager and twenty-somethings going around burning things down (like the American flag, cars, etc.) and throwing bricks into windows... they're no better than the people in Los Angeles rioting after a basketball game. I'm convinced most of them are not really there because they understand how the government and economy works but because they saw the protests on youtube or on TV and thought it looked cool and wanted to join in.

A lot of them, when interviewed, repeat the same things over and over showing they've no original thoughts of their own.

Something that really pissed me off is when I saw some of them throw a brick (or something hard and heavy) into the front window of a small business, the poor woman came out screaming at them. It was a bunch of young males harassing what looked like a 40 year old woman who is trying to make a living with her small business. And supposedly OWS supports small businesses.

And anytime rioters... or protesters get out of hand... they say that they were infiltrated by some other group. Riiight. How convenient! How do you even say who is part of OWS and who is not?! Is there a membership card or something?

I just think OWS is a bunch of hooligans and am convinced that a lot of them feel like this is their actual occupation and are not even trying to look for work or interested in working.

And where did Occupy really get it's start? I'm very suspicious of this group. I don't think it's as kosher as a lot of the poor kids getting into it think it is.



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