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14 year old boy let off after raping 4 year old.

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posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 04:55 AM
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Of course its wrong, most people would agree, I cant see your logic, why cant we have it both ways? If a 14 year old is stupid enough to sleep with a 40 year old then that's there fault as long as it was consensual, but its illegal which is why the adults tend to get arrested (Age of consent 16 in England). But if a able minded 14 year old does something wrong like rape or murder then why should they not be held accountable for their actions, they have had plenty of time to know what is wrong and right, me and many kids played violent video games when we were younger but 90% of us turned out fine, yes it may affect different kids differently but they need to stop blaming society and ruining it for every one else.




posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 05:06 AM
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Originally posted by Amanda5
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The worst aspect - just my opinion - is the fact that the people who inflict the violence and pain often get way with it and this does not send a supportive message to the victim.

Unfortunately victims all too often have to learn how to be doubly strong - they have to overcome the trauma they have endured and they have to accept the judicial system has been set up to fail and often protects the perpetrator. I wish I was wrong here but I know I am right.

Much Peace...for all abused Children..


I agree with you, it adds to the feeling of being victimized when there is no accountability on the abusers end.

But if the victim can have a few good souls that can reaffirm that in the end somehow, there is justice , by karma, or spiritually . somehow. There is very little justice on this earth for many many serious crimes , and I think I would totally lose it if I thought none of them will ever have to be answered for someday, somehow.

Then there is the issue of forgiveness, which is much easier said than done, but can be very healing as well.

And yes, much peace, and healing for all abused children.

...and if I can say this, may their abusers experience sincere true deep remorse , by totally feeling and understanding the pain they put victims through, being accountable for it, and searching for forgiveness from the victims, as well as the higher power.


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posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 05:22 AM
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Originally posted by Skywatcher2011
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My beef is the parents of the 14 year old are to blame for not having blocked porn sites on their computer...as a result, the young boy is confused and does what he was brainwashed to do and unfortunately did that to an innocent child.

Sad sad sad.


Are you serious? Watching porn doesn't turn someone into a rapist. Hell I was looking at internet porn when it took an hour to render a nipple. I was jealous of the 56k folks. Do you just know a bunch of dumb 14 year olds? Porn is easy to get. Even with parental controls.

Let me get this right... Seeing people having sex causes rape? I've had sex (I know it's hard to believe) with a number of women (harder to believe) and have yet to to feel like raping anyone. I am going to hazard a guess and say that 100% of boys between the ages of 14 and 15 have seen porn on the internet. But no, go ahead and blame the parents for not filtering it.

The kid should be locked up. He needs to be punished. I'm not for murdering or raping him which seems rather popular at the moment, but giving a 14 year a free pass after raping a 4 year old is disgusting, weird, and a problem.

This is not OK. Talk to a victim of rape, especially a person victimized as a child. It is a life robbing act. It is akin to murder. Rape is a violent act, and should be treated as such.

This was a baby. She was robbed of a normal life. Her attacker should be in jail. I am so disgusted with people that would blame this on porn, and exonerate this piece of filth.

I'm also irritated with those that say a 14 year old boy isn't trustworthy. I was 14. I think it was between 13 and 15 but who can remember with all the raping? There were a number of times when friends parents needed me to watch a younger sibling. I somehow managed to ignore my rapist instincts and play my little pony.



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 06:11 AM
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This is why I say don't call the cops.

Have a friend with an excavator dig a hole somewhere.

What !?!?!.......like this sort of thing can just go on forever....

if it happens to your kids then you act morally superior. I would like to keep rapists and child molesters away from kids. The state frees them when we send them to it for punishment/ reformation.

So, the mother has to just suck it up huh....tough luck....

NO. F that. Someone make this kids life a living hell and or take him to where he needs to be. Society will not fall into chaos. People will think twice before raping a kid, that's all.

call me sick, a hate monger or, whatever. We all know it's true. My ego doesn't keep me from admitting that this is the justice I would want. Not some crappy slap on the wrist he can laugh over with his friends later while going over the sick details in his head, building an appetite for more encounters.

F this. I would hurt him.

BS PC Disclaimer:
I may be mentally unstable and no one should follow my advice.


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posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 06:24 AM
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Originally posted by DeyTookErJeobs


A 14 year old has no excuse for blaming porn, they are old enough to understand what is wrong or right, erghhh just cant see what logic was going through the judges mind when he made this decision.


A 14 year old has every excuse. In the eyes of the law, he cannot understand what he is doing. I agree with you on an intellectual level but hey, we have these laws for a reason. You think adults should go around having sex with 14 year olds?



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 06:53 AM
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I don't know if this has been pointed out yet (I haven't read the whole thing) but UK law states that a baby-sitter has to be 16 or over. Though I don't think it would have made much difference in this case. That sick human deserves at least 20 years. In solitary. Throw the judge in there too, for stupidity.



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 08:45 AM
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I guess the point about the story only being reported by the Daily Mail, a paper that's known to distort the facts, and is therefore questionable is lost on the majority of posters here. Is anyone actually reading this thread, or merely reacting to what appears to be an MSM pro-censorship propaganda campaign?
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posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 02:39 PM
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The logic is that it's illegal to engage in sexual activities with those under 18 years of age because the law states that those under the age of 18 are not capable in any way of being responsible, making their own decisions, and therefore not responsible for making bad decisions.

Someone under the age of 18 cannot sleep with someone who is 40, they cannot enter into a contract, they cannot buy cigarettes, they cannot get a tattoo, or get their ears pierced. The law says that until you turn 18 you are not capable of making your own choices and not able to be responsible.

You can't have it both ways because it's a massive hypocrisy. If the law says that those under 18 can't make their own decisions, then by extension they can't be responsible for what they do either.

You either have the full rights and responsibilities of an adult, or you do not. If you don't have the rights of an adult, then you shouldn't have the responsibilities of an adult either.

If you are saying the 14 year old kid that did this horrible thing should be held accountable for his actions, then you are saying that he is perfectly able to make his own choices and decisions and be responsible for them himself. Which means he can have sex with a 40 year old woman, go buy cigarettes, enter into a contract, etc.

You just cannot pick and choose, it's not right. It goes along the lines of taxation without representation, something this country went to war for. You cannot assign responsibilities to someone without ALSO granting them the rights that go along with it. If the responsibility is taxation, then you must be given the right to choose who the people are that make the taxes. If the responsibility being assigned is that you are legally responsible as an adult is, then you must also grant the same legal rights as an adult would have. It's wrong, and unfair any other way.

In case it's not clear, I'm not in favor of letting this kid off easy. I think he should be locked up for a long time. Because I believe at 14 you SHOULD be responsible for your actions, but at the same time I think at 14 you should ALSO have the RIGHTS that an adult would have, who shares those same legal responsibilities.

Rights and responsibilities come together as a pair, you can't pick and choose them. It's highly unfair to assign responsibility on someone without also grant them rights.



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by habitforming
A 14 year old has every excuse. In the eyes of the law, he cannot understand what he is doing.

The problem is that the courts decide when they can break their own rules.

Do you remember (or know) the James Bulger murder case, in the 1990s? The killers were both 10 years old but they were trialled (is that the correct word?) as adults, as that is possible when they are being accused of a serious crime, like murder or rape (at least according to Wikipedia).



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by XeroOne
I guess the point about the story only being reported by the Daily Mail, a paper that's known to distort the facts, and is therefore questionable is lost on the majority of posters here.

It's not just the Daily Mail, as I have seen this on at least four other news related sites.

Edited to add some things I found while looking for more information:
- the judge told the the boy that if he was 4 years older he could be sentenced to a maximum of 6 1/2 years.
- I think I saw someone asking for more specifics of the crime, on one site I saw that the boy "made her perform an indecent act on him".
- the boy has to report to the police where he lives and reports about him are to be sent to the judge every six months
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posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by habitforming
A 14 year old has every excuse. In the eyes of the law, he cannot understand what he is doing.

The problem is that the courts decide when they can break their own rules.

Do you remember (or know) the James Bulger murder case, in the 1990s? The killers were both 10 years old but they were trialled (is that the correct word?) as adults, as that is possible when they are being accused of a serious crime, like murder or rape (at least according to Wikipedia).


I know but you can never make the other argument. I have a relative that is a sex offender because he turned 18 while the girlfriend he lived with was still 16. Even her parents testified they knew and approved of the kids having sex but he was tried and convicted. It just pisses me off that sometimes kids are smart enough to be punished as adults but never smart enough to drink, drive, have sex, vote, or even fight for their country. The line only bends one way and it is irritating.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 07:35 AM
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I think age of consent and age of criminal responsibility should be the same, that way there will not be any inconsistencies in law. It was that way in my country, both were at 15, but age of criminal responsibility got lowered to 14 some time ago.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 07:47 AM
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It sounds awfully like another story on the BBC news website, which also occured in the UK in the last couple of months:

www.bbc.co.uk...


It also reminds me to an extent of Jamie Bulger, a 2 year old boy who was murdered in 1993 by two ten year old boys.

Robert Thompson and Jon Venables took Jamie from a shopping centre in Liverpool, UK, kicked and stoned him to death before leaving his body on a railway line.

The trial was conducted as an adult trial, despite the age of the boys, and they recieved a minimum of ten years in jail, which, in my opinion was far to less if they were supposed to have been tried as adults. They were released after only 8 years and went on to commit further crimes.

The question is, what age should a person be deemed responsible for their actions? Personally, I can remember as far back as being 3 years old (and getting told off for cutting my hair over my grans toilet).

I know memories don't mean responsibility, but we all should know right from wrong by a maximum age of say 8 - 10 years of age, so to say a 14 year old isn't responsible for the actions of raping a child is utter nonesense and he should be re-trialled and jailed.



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