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14 year old boy let off after raping 4 year old.

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posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 07:26 PM
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He should be thrown into Jail with the big boys for a few weeks so he can personally experience the trauma of rape, and how much it hurts both physically and mentally!




posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 07:38 PM
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Yes, I'm well aware of that law, but I don't trust the Daily Mail as a credible source, especially when it's running a story that's unverifiable. The fact they're using the story for their 'Block Online Porn' campaign is also a major red flag.
Whether the story's true or not, playing politics with something like this is wrong.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 07:38 PM
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I think it is painfull to see a judge basically blame porn and the interent for the severity of this crime.

So many factors need to be looked into and considered before dismissing this.

Even if he is going through puberty and has a vast surge of hormones going through his body, it still does not constitute the actions of what this boy did. I can clearly remember myself as a 14 year old and this would absolutely never enter my or any normal, healthy cognitively functioning young man.

So this would be the first area that needs to be evaluated when dealing with this case imo.

Secondly the boys parents and how they have rasied this child needs to be looked into. The developmental raising of the child along with how healthy he is emotionaly and physically with his parents. Also if it can be blamed on porn, then how or why did he have access to this to begin with. Assuming he has interent access to porn implies, he had unrestricted abilities to access the whole interent without filtering. There could be a number of materials and or websites this boy has seen that coud have influenced him before this happend.

Questions should be raised about why on earth did the little girls parents leave her in the care of another child but i imagine that they are experiencing living hell at the moment so this would have to be asked at a later date.

This whole case makes me feel sick to be honest and if no one challenges the judge or takes further legal action then i would be very surprised.

A youth detention centre is the minimum that should of been given here.

A truely sad and disturbing story.
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posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 07:51 PM
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Its a messed up world where a 14 year old boy can get away with raping a toddler, yet if the same boy got caught with a few ounces of green, a bit of coke, etc he'd be facing a few years behind bars.


 
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posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 07:57 PM
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Well, you can't have it both ways.

When an adult has sex with a willing 14 year old, the adult gets in big trouble. The state has decided a person of this age is not responsible for their actions.

So, if a 14 year old does something awful, like what this kid did, you can't change the way the law is applied and suddenly say the kid is responsible for his actions.

You can only have it one way. Either teenagers are in control of themselves and responsible for what they do, which means they can have sex with a 40 year old if they want without the 40 year old getting in trouble, and they also take responsibility when they do something awful. OR if you have it the other way, kids are not responsible for themselves and not in control of their actions. So adults will get in trouble for being sexually involved with them, and they will not be held accountable if they do something wrong.

Quick question OP, do you have any problem with a 40 year old sleeping with a willing 14 year old?



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 07:57 PM
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I don't know about you but I don't think that's natural at all....I certainly wasn't attracted to 4 year old girls at the age of 14 or any age for that matter. Personally I feel like they should watch that 14 year old more because he's likely to be an adult pedophile if he's a pedophile now. I've never been attracted to any girl that young, ever. I could see it maybe if she was older and was "developing" early but no little girl develops at age 4. There's something wrong with that kid and it has nothing to do with internet porn.
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posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by Ranong
Its time for daddy to grow a pair!! "even when my daughter tells me im the best daddy in the world I still feel guilty"
Well take out the kid that raped your daughter.
In a smart way of course.
I would rather feel guilty for murder than feel guilty for not doing anything about protecting my children from a rapist who lives down the street.


You are one disgusting individual.

You would SERIOUSLY murder a child that you have no idea of what he himself went through? Or what caused his behavior? Yes, it is horrible what happened, but nobody is born a child-rapist, there is a cause, and instead of wanting to do horrible things to a freaking kid who was clearly influenced, perhaps you should be looking at causation just as well. You have to be so narrow minded to not realize that every human being goes through things just like you, and just like you, they are on a long road with past events determining where they are heading. It's not because most average people enjoy a ride without bumps, others are equally lucky... Either it's purely neurological, something damaged and thus making him mentally insane, or it's psychological, thus having a cause from something that happened in the past. And yes, this applies to every crime, but we're talking about a 14 year old here.

Besides, the dad has reason to feel guilty, he left his child alone with a 14 year old male babysitter he didn't know, what, is he retarded or something??

And what's disgusting of the parents is that they are obviously trying to get more out of this by extending the "problem", though the little girl should at some point discover the truth, I figure out would make a lot more sense to bring this to her at an adult age where she can cope with it as something from the past, rather than rubbing it in her face all the time to make sure she remembers... Why not hang printed articles on her bedroom wall? Make sure she really does keep a trauma




This kid needs mental help urgently, letting him off is obviously very wrong, but sentencing him to death or putting him in prison are ridiculous suggestions to be honest, why not make him a full fledged criminal in jail while we're at it, that will do him good!!
They need to get to the bottom of this, as I said earlier, there is a CAUSE and we need to know what that cause is instead of wanting to see him punished in horrible ways. The latter makes you no less of a sick human being, to want to see a child suffer, wow... The fine line between raping a 4 year old and wanting to kill a 14 year old, if there is one

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posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 08:23 PM
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Well, you can't have it both ways.

When an adult has sex with a willing 14 year old, the adult gets in big trouble. The state has decided a person of this age is not responsible for their actions.

So, if a 14 year old does something awful, like what this kid did, you can't change the way the law is applied and suddenly say the kid is responsible for his actions.

That's exactly what I was saying on the last page. People only want to hold children accountable when the child is the aggressor and not the victim. Either they are accountable for their decisions or they are not...



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 08:27 PM
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You make a good point. I wasn't trying to be snarky.

They're really attempting to ban pornography? Silly gooses.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 09:12 PM
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Why couldnt the boy find a 14 year old girl? What the f? Porn never made me want to # babies! I found porn when i was 14, was a virgin til i was 21...



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 09:30 PM
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Yeaah.. I gotta say, the Judge certainly is an imbecile, an old fool. The boy a sick pervert who, at the absolute least should have to register as a sex offender (if they have that in England?)

But I totally agree with you.. the Girl likely has no idea what happened, probably doesn't remember much of anything, and the phrase "rape" covers such a large areas of activities that we don't even know what actually happened. The girl is likely to be more traumatized by the stigma her parents now place on her. They are clearly treating her as a victim to something she doesn't understand why she's a victim of. Probably confusing the hell outa her.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 10:05 PM
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This 14 yr old boy now KNOWS he doesn't need any kind of personal accountability. This will make an already sick individual have no fear of being reprimanded in the future. That's the problem with all kids today, ''But it's not MY fault''. This little girl never got justice....How many more little girls suffer before some judges decides if the kid knew it was wrong......Which at his age he more than certainly knew.
If everyone who partakes in watching porn were like this, none of us would ever let our kids leave home ever for any reason.

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posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 11:12 PM
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This is truly horrible. Yes he should be punished and I think the judge made a huge mistake giving him just a slap on the wrist and blaming 'watching porn' as his excuse for doing it. This sets a dangerous line in the sand as future rapists and molesters will just use that to get leniency. What is also worrying is that if this teenager can do that to a child, then how likely is it that he could grow up to be a child abuser/be into child pornography?
Though his punishment is light due to 'influences of society', I am quite sure when word gets out about what he has done, 'local members of said society' will make sure he is well punished.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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Please realize, I am not attacking you, or saying anything personally bad about you, but I want to take your words and paint a little different picture.


I understand perfectly, not a problem and let's take a look at the picture you present.


You were a 14 year old boy, that looked at porn,

Your chances of finding a 14 year old boy who has not looked at porn by this point in his life is about as good as you catching a leprechan at the end of the rainbow and finding a pot of gold. It was that way by the time I was 14 (Over 20 years ago) and it is even worse now. Just about every single person by the age of 16 has seen porn in some form. If you have cable tv, you can see softcore porn very often. One can even find images which fit the definition of "erotica" on local television such as abc, cbs, and nbc. Not just the sexual aspect mind you, but images of rape and violent acts as well. So by what you consider a "red flag"- EVERYONE automatically is flagged as a potential threat.


and didn't have a father at home

Yes, I had no father at home. Along with a very large percentage of the population. What about homes where there is no mother? Is that a flag as well? What about homes where there is no Father, but you get to see him on the weekends? Today, there is no shortage of single parent homes and I find it very hard to believe that every single one of them is a potential serial killer or rapist.


Luckily you were a good kid, but how would that have looked if you did do something terrible? All the pieces were there, you could have done something terrible, and they could have blamed it on the tragic event, or porn, or just about anything.


Actually I never claimed to be a "good kid". Just the contrary actually. The difference is however, that I am not a rapist or a child molester. Just the same, there are people from 2 parents homes, who have a wonderful upbringing who also go on to commit crimes. In my opinion it comes down to character of the individual which is not something that can be judged by a few intangibles.

I have 2 boys, thank God! But, if I had a 4 year old daughter, I'm not even sure I would let my friends come over, and I sure as hell wouldn't leave a pubescent boy alone with her.



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 12:38 AM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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Sure, the Judge is an idiot, and 14 year old boys do not need porn or anything else to run around wanting to screw anything with a hole in it. 14 year old boys are just walking hormones, but they are supposed to know better. "Wanting to" and actually doing it are entirely different things, and the kid needs severe punishment.

Then again, the father of the little girl grappling with feelings of guilt? HELL YEAH! You don't leave your daughter alone with a 14 year old boy. Who the hell hires a 14 year old boy as a babysitter for a little girl? He should feel guilty. He should also feel guilty that the little rapist ever made it to court. I couldn't live with myself knowing he was still consuming our precious air.

What a bunch of morons, from the parents, to the boy, to the judge. Ridiculous.

Luckily she is only 4, and if her parents can do a little better job in the future, she should be just fine.



I agree with everything except that last line.
You really missed the mark there. I think this depends on what you mean by fine.
I suppose if she grows up so messed up psychologically from this in her subconscious
that she rapes a youngster herself when she's a teen - she should get a free pass.



She isn't going to be fine, I know that.
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posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 01:03 AM
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Mark David Chapman killed John Lennon and blamed "The Catcher in the Rye" and is still in prison. A 14 year old blames porn for molesting a 4 year old and gets set free. Screw this world.



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 01:52 AM
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My beef is the parents of the 14 year old are to blame for not having blocked porn sites on their computer...as a result, the young boy is confused and does what he was brainwashed to do and unfortunately did that to an innocent child.

Sad sad sad.



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 04:18 AM
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You obviously have not read up on the long term effects of abuse - particularly sexual abuse. It leads to all manner of self harm and addictions and suicide. Read about the long term effects.

All those people who gave such a shallow and baseless post a star - let's hope you are never sexually abused and God forbid your Children - then you can see the first hand detrimental effects that the abuse has.

Ignoring what happens and pretending it does not happen is ignorance but I guess the people doing the most ignoring are the ones who have the most to say.

Studies have shown that even small babies who are sexually/abused feel pain and fear - but I guess as long as you tell the baby or Child that it's over that's all that matters.

Much Peace...to all the abused Children...
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posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 04:45 AM
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Originally posted by Amanda5
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You obviously have not read up on the long term effects of abuse - particularly sexual abuse. It leads to all manner of self harm and addictions and suicide. Read about the long term effects.

All those people who gave such a shallow and baseless post a star - let's hope you are never sexually abused and God forbid your Children - then you can see the first hand detrimental effects that the abuse has.

Ignoring what happens and pretending it does not happen is ignorance but I guess the people doing the most ignoring are the ones who have the most to say.

Studies have shown that even small babies who are sexually/abused feel pain and fear - but I guess as long as you tell the baby or Child that it's over that's all that matters.

Much Peace...to all the abused Children...
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Maybe some don't realize, but I think they are not trying to be ignorant., but want victims pain to go away, and not be dwelt on.

Pain can be healed, even emotional and psychological pain , or at least lessened to a point where you do not dwell on it all the time. I think some in so called "helping" fields like to keep it alive, because it is their livelihood.
Note I said "some".

It is a serious issue that effects both genders , and pretending it didn't happen is not healthy. But one or two VERY trusted individuals who can help the victim process the emotions they have buried because of it, and help them understand why it's normal to feel anger ,shame, mistrust, etc. can be very beneficial , so that they can move THROUGH them, and onward with their lives. This does not have to be a LONG ongoing process, especially with a child. Even one good heart to heart talk with a child that age can produce incredible healing, so why keep bringing it up . Telling them if they ever need to talk, you are always there, but to constantly bring it up through their whole childhood is detrimental in my opinion..

Too much public hype , and mania about such issues,especially a child, in my opinion is not beneficial, and may send a message that they are damaged for life, which I don't agree with. Healing is POSSIBLE,especially with children, and it doesn't have to seriously scar them for life. But by not dwelling on it negatively, and accepting that psychological healing is possible , it can become lost in the past, with no serious effect in their adult lives.
I do not mean ignoring it is the way too go though, and that can even cause worse pain if a child feels like they are not being heard , understood, or cared about. Its a balance thing I guess.

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posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 04:51 AM
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The worst aspect - just my opinion - is the fact that the people who inflict the violence and pain often get way with it and this does not send a supportive message to the victim.

Unfortunately victims all too often have to learn how to be doubly strong - they have to overcome the trauma they have endured and they have to accept the judicial system has been set up to fail and often protects the perpetrator. I wish I was wrong here but I know I am right.

Much Peace...for all abused Children..



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