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Originally posted by r2d246
what you would do to survive in a total E collapse?
Originally posted by Startruth144
I have been giving this a lot of thought myself. Living in an apartment and in town where it will be the worst. My parents have some land out in the country and have offered to let me and my fiance do something out there. I have been toying with this idea in the video below. Would be fine for a single person or a couple imo. Best to have some food and water stocked up before hand and be learning survival skills as well before anything happens.
Originally posted by DarknStormy
Well finding a good spot to hunt would be a good start. Would you really want to be around other people if the SHTF? If so, then raiding your neighbours pantry while they are off looking for more food will have to do...
Originally posted by jude11
Many think that they can always worship at the altar of the Wal-Mart Gods in times of need.
Too bad that this religion will be proven as a false God.
Originally posted by Rocketman7
reply to post by r2d246
I was thinking about that last night when I saw a raccoon. I bet every living thing would be eaten, within 2 weeks after the shelves were empty and help wasn't coming, and then the people would start on the things that aren't edible like leaves bark and grass.
You have a couple squirrels on almost every block in a city and you have a couple raccoons. Then dogs and cats.
Rats mice people will eat anything when they are starving.
Originally posted by AlreadyGone
I suggest going ahead and getting out of the city or town...NOW.
At least find a place that will be a destination and refuge in desperate times.
In this economy, there is land that is available and cheap... you just have to do your homework and research.
Then set up a homestead much in the style of your great grand parents. Just take that power and extra resources will not be available. Choose a county where agriculture is king. Why? Where I live... I can call a building a barn and never need a permit, a license, no inspection... nothing. Throw in some solar lights and a generator... and Bam...we are home, sweet home.
That means wood heat to heat and cook with. An out house for what out houses are for.
A simple frame structure...ie log cabin, or build a samll cottage from scrap pallets and packing crates. I just started a 12x12 shed this morning doing as much and all it cost me was a box of nails. Infact, after saving the pallets and crates... I put up the 4 walls and doorways in just a morning and will put on the roof tommorow. Everything is in 4x4 and 4x6 foot lengths...so almost like prefabricated.
Next...water source...we just dug a well and will use a solar powered well pump... that is where we spent the big bucks... but we will have water...even in blackouts. If that goes bad...we always have the lake across the road or the wide creek at the back of the property...always key aspects when looking for property.
As for food...we have built our farm over the last 11 years with the idea of independent living in mind. Even before the conspiracy theories and tyrannical governments... I read Mother Earth News from way back. We have a farm set up on the "Have More" plan so popular with self reliant peoples. We have massive gardens, pigs, hogs, chickens, goats, and a couple of horses. Our sow is pregnant and will bear us a liter of about 8-10 piglets soon.Some of these we will keep and some we will sell.
We are ealso expanding our goat herds... our goal is 50 nannies and a few billys...why 50 nannies? Each nanny has atleast 2-4 kid goats a year. the average gestation period is 5 months. By controlling the breeding.. you can have goats dropping kidds in the spring and again in the fall... this avoids the cold of winter. If just 2 kidds per nanny live...2 out of 4... thats reasonable. Then you have at least 100 goats ready for market each year...at 100 dollars per head on avg... that is 10,000 dollars. Also, many of the goats are dairy goats like Nubians and Toggenburgs...
The chickens are for eggs and meat...we are considering breeding and hatching... but goats get the emphasis for now.
Food... we have it. Water... all around us and under us...literally.
With all this here... we are targets. that is why our farm sits on a hill surrounded on three sides by swamps and dense forests... the other side is a lake... a very big lake. We are 60 miles from the nearest large regional cities and about 20 miles from the nearest towns. The land all around us is cris-crossed by rivers, streams, rolling hills... pretty good defensive area...another thing to look for when choosing land.
The last and also most important thing when setting up goals of food and water... local relationships. Get to know the locals...get involved. Help with the local Volunteer Fire Department cookout dinner and fundraiser... help with the local church cakewalk... chicken dinner... car wash...whatever. get to know the folks and let them get to know you. Even without the cabin and food stuffs setback... you will get some help and a refuge... those little old ladies that you washed dishes withafter the fundraiser will cook you a good home cooked meal when you have finally escaped the city...
Something to think about.