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posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 11:27 PM
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Mods: if this is not appropriate in forum or in content I do apologize ahead of time.

i have a sample of text i need help solving as a cypher possibly.. was hoping some of the brains on ATS would be good at this. This is purely for my own use..

its a small town treasure hunt relating to the war of 1812..
its based on a series of pictures/riddles in combination (there were about sixty of them) that required extensive amounts of research.. im now at a point where ive solved all but one of the combos *and its only that i have a few possible answers*

each combo has led to a number.. ie the first one was 35. some are two digits some are four digits (ie/ a year)

so i have these sixty numbers as an answer. not sure if it relates to the cypher or if the cypher tells me what to do WITH the numbers.

tried solving the text in ROT 13 or caesarian shifts.. no luck. its not even written as english is.
any ideas?

heres a sample of the text.

f mmu mge ek gqmqwlih gkmu urimm yqlh ql rbleui-i nquv relv vbis l cpucapcjcgepv bqyixil eu relv qj nevbinevcgem kwiuvcqp qp iegb reai-vbqui neloih ycvb e ois likwcli pwnfil qj qqmqwlih gkmu fi ehhih vq jcpem ugqli i vbew relvcgwmel reai-hq pqv wui oisu qp gqxcpavqp ql bielv qj uqmhcil


also there are a few symbols on the page that may be key in solving the text... they also appear (upside down) on the page that im not 100 percent sure on.. (this page relates to george washington if its any help)

i can not find any related meanings to these but i cant help but think they are somehow important:





posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 11:44 PM
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what language is that? looks like fun, treasure hunts are awesome.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 11:46 PM
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i dont think its any language YET lol.. i speak english. im in a very english speaking town.. i think its a code i have to break.. like an anagram.
however ive tried using online anagram solver and Language identifiers and have had no luck. so im hoping someone on here may be able to point me in the right direction



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by mandms33
i dont think its any language YET lol.. i speak english. im in a very english speaking town.. i think its a code i have to break.. like an anagram.
however ive tried using online anagram solver and Language identifiers and have had no luck. so im hoping someone on here may be able to point me in the right direction


Neither anagram nor foreign language. Looks like a simple letter-substitution. I'd do it for you, but I'm too lazy....



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 11:59 PM
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06 131321 130705 0511 0717131723120908 07111321 2118091313 25171208 1712 180212052109 09 14172122 18051222 22020919 12 03162103011603100307051622 02172509240912 0521 18051222 1710 140522020914052203070513 1123092122031716 1716 09050702 18050109 2202172109 140512150908 25032202 05 150919 12091123031209 162314060912 1710 1717131723120908 07111321 0609 0508080908 2217 1003160513 2107171209 09 22020523 18051222030723130512 18050109 0817 161722 232109 15091921 1716 071724031601221716 1712 0209051222 1710 21171308030912


i am working on it now , but here are all the letters , put into number format , i am starting to see a pattern here



maybe lol
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posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 01:45 AM
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f mmu mge ek gqmqwlih gkmu urimm yqlh ql rbleui-i nquv relv vbis l cpucapcjcgepv bqyixil eu relv qj nevbinevcgem kwiuvcqp qp iegb reai-vbqui neloih ycvb e ois likwcli pwnfil qj qqmqwlih gkmu fi ehhih vq jcpem ugqli i vbew relvcgwmel reai-hq pqv wui oisu qp gqxcpavqp ql bielv qj uqmhcil



I've never tried to break a code a decipher anything before. But the first thing I notice is that there are hyphens separating the text into four groups. Maybe these are sentences.

f mmu mge ek gqmqwlih gkmu urimm yqlh ql rbleui

i nquv relv vbis l cpucapcjcgepv bqyixil eu relv qj nevbinevcgem kwiuvcqp qp iegb reai

vbqui neloih ycvb e ois likwcli pwnfil qj qqmqwlih gkmu fi ehhih vq jcpem ugqli i vbew relvcgwmel reai

hq pqv wui oisu qp gqxcpavqp ql bielv qj uqmhcil

Not knowing what language to use makes this even more difficult. But it might help if you gave us more information about the other items you already deciphered.

How did you figure out the other items? What languages were used?

Can you give us any more information about the authors of these?

ETA :

If these are words, the easiest ones to start with would be the 1 and 2 letter words.

There are four single letters used - f , i, e and l

There are only two words in English which have only 1 letter. "a" and "i"



edit on 7/6/2012 by IpsissimusMagus because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 02:04 AM
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i have been racking my brain , trying to figure this out , maybe i am missing somthing , OP , can you give me more info , i want some details on the other ciphers , if you would

thanks



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 02:15 AM
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Sorted them alphabetically, made a list to find duplicates and patterns. I did not keep the Hyphenated ones together. I liked the idea of them breaking up the phrase in to 4 groups

Let me know if i missed any letters. I did this kinda fast.

bielv
bqyixil
cpucapcjcgepv
e
ehhih
ek
eu
f
fi
gkmu
gkmu
gqmqwlih
gqxcpavqp
hq
I
I
iegb
jcpem
kwiuvcqp
l
likdi
mge
mmu
neloih
nevbinevcgem
nquv
ois
oisu
pqnfil
pqv
qj
qj
qj
ql
ql
qp
qp
qqmqwlih
rbleui
reai
reai
relv
relv
relvcgwmel
uggli
uqmhcil
urimm
vbew
vbis
vbqui
vq
wui
ycvb
yqlh



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 02:20 AM
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Besides the repeating of some words. The next things I notice on the poster is the symbols under the image of the cowboy on a horse.

The strange looking M symbol. The triangle and the dash

Maybe these are clues to the cipher code.

Can you upload a picture of the entire poster? Maybe there is something else on the poster that would help us.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 02:23 AM
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reminds me of index lettering ?



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 02:27 AM
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Give us the COMPLETE background and puzzle, what you've worked out so far, and we'll be glad to help you solve the rest.

For 50% of the loot!




posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 02:54 AM
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Those symbols look like brands used for cattle, have a look at the cattle?horse sale yards and records and see whose brand they belong to/belonged to



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 02:58 AM
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I've been trying to do some Google searches for War of 1812. Related to cipher codes and treasure hunts.

I found a website hosting some kind of treasure hunt.


whitegibberish.com...

"The pursuit of the golden key, heart of a soldier and the war of 1812"

What is it, exactly, that I am searching for? The riddles, poetry, quotes and artwork all contain information that when put together will lead you to solving the puzzle and to a document entitling you to the grand prize — the treasure. The first person to correctly solve the puzzle will receive the Golden Key that will open a treasure worth over $10,000 CAD.


I wonder if this could be related to the OP's treasure hunt.

They only offer 1 image without buying the book.



This image has some similarities to the picture in the OP.

The city may be Amherstburg
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posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 03:16 AM
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Notice the writing that borders the picture and the red outline on each image.

I found a facebook page for this book.

Pursuit of the Golden Key - Facebook page

They have a couple other images





We need the OP to give more details. But I think this might be related.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 04:43 AM
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The triangle with the line under it I believe is a symbol for water in witchcraft and magick, and the words themselves judging by the letters are latin but all mixed together. if not latin try french.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 07:39 AM
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wow you guys are good!! and KEEN lol.

i dont (obviously) want to write in the answer for each riddle/picture combo as this is what has taken me months of work. also.. then anyone else could also solve this once the anagram is cracked. i will upload the whole page if the riddle is on, and if you want to help i really appreciate it!! if you don't as you'd like your own try i suggest buying the book too
the more the merrier...



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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Am I correct that the image is from this book?

If so we know that it's a modern drawing and the clues are found using computers.

Could the letters be some kind of "hash" code?

MD5 or SHA-1




posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 02:07 PM
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yes its from the book

so yes much of the research was done online... (although some despite what they say you pretty much need to be an aburg resident to figure out)

im not sure what you mean with the hash code and our numbers..
im trying to get a full screen page.. its hard to get the whole picture without losing the text..



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 07:58 PM
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What is the the full text that borders the picture?


Hash code is a computer language algorithm that converts text into encrypted code.

There are several types. Some are no longer used because they aren't safe.

I don't know much about it. But there are websites that have hash code generators.

We would need someone more familiar with programming to explain it better.

Just a guess. I was hoping someone might know more about it.

Hash code function

HASH Generator

Hash Generator



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 08:12 PM
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I'm thinking it has something to do with writing it backward due to the second "word" involved

f mmu mge ek gqmqwlih gkmu urimm


there aren't many 3 letter words that start with a double letter... although the 7th word would then start with the same double letter but at least has 5 letters in the word which is a little more likely.

Good luck!



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