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Originally posted by matth
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by matth
But American leaders DO put people first. By respecting their freedom of self-determination. Government intervention regardless of the intent or benevolence would eliminate that freedom.
While in principal I agree with your statement, but as it pertains to health care (and other topics as well), I think that's just the line of bull they use to feed the general public to justify ripping your off and lining these corporate coffers with cash.
Originally posted by Ex_CT2
reply to post by matth
"...don't you think that because of the United States' leadership on the world stage (both truthfully and self-proclaimed) that they should be in the front of the line of countries declaring adequate health care a human right for all, if not then just American, citizens?"
You're not getting it: This is NOT about adequate healthcare. In fact it's not even about healthcare. This is a sellout to Big Pharma and Big Insurance. For Christ's sake listen to us--or look it up.
Originally posted by matth
reply to post by FissionSurplus
I definitely sympathize with you and in no way think you guys are selfish...I just worry sometimes that the American general public fail to see the big picture here. Question about Obamacare because I really don't know the answer but what happens if you can't afford insurance? Is there a exemption on people who can't afford health care or another option through the government?
Originally posted by matth
reply to post by FissionSurplus
I definitely sympathize with you and in no way think you guys are selfish...I just worry sometimes that the American general public fail to see the big picture here. Question about Obamacare because I really don't know the answer but what happens if you can't afford insurance? Is there a exemption on people who can't afford health care or another option through the government?
Originally posted by matth
reply to post by Ex_CT2
No I've done plenty of research with an open mind and my conclusion remains the same. .
Originally posted by matth
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by matth
The big difference (with all due respect) is that countries like yours, healthcare is considered a right.
In America it is not. It is a personal responsibility. An aspect of self-determination. The "right" to seek medical attention, or obtain medical insurance is left soley up to the individual.
Just my humble opinion.
Fair enough...but don't you think that because of the United States' leadership on the world stage (both truthfully and self-proclaimed) that they should be in the front of the line of countries declaring adequate health care a human right for all, if not then just American, citizens? To me this is a no brainer, and a perfect example of how easy it is to be desensitized by human suffering, in their own western country, because they look at it as an election issue or newspaper headline as opposed to seeing for what it really is: human suffering in the name of profits.
People should always come before profits. Always.
Originally posted by PvtHudson
Look, your people may be more than willing to give up their self determination and liberty in favor of a big, intrusive government. Most Americans were brought up differently. We are a country born from rebellion against such governments.
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Originally posted by PvtHudson
We decided that universal health care was a right in our country...now it is. Simple as that.
Awesome! Now keep it there. The majority of us did not and still do not and we'd like it gone! And while you're at it... could ask all of those Candians at the Cleveland Clinic what they're doing there... seeing as how awesome and spectacular your FREE healthcare system is??? Ok, thanks.
For the most part? Elective surgery. Even a restaurant waiting line has queue jumpers. In public health, you have to pay for the privalege.
Originally posted by kozmo
...could ask all of those Candians at the Cleveland Clinic what they're doing there... seeing as how awesome and spectacular your FREE healthcare system is???
Originally posted by matth
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by matth
But American leaders DO put people first. By respecting their freedom of self-determination. Government intervention regardless of the intent or benevolence would eliminate that freedom.
While in principal I agree with your statement, but as it pertains to health care (and other topics as well), I think that's just the line of bull they use to feed the general public to justify ripping your off and lining these corporate coffers with cash.