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Is Allah the OT God?

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posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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As someone has just made the following (now re-organised) statement to me, I thought I would put it to the audience to see what people think. (I would post it fully with a name but permission has been denied).

YOU CAN SAY FROM THE BIBLE THAT GOD WAS A VOLCANO BUT NOT FROM THE KORAN AS THE KORAN WAS THE LAST REVELATION AND CORRECTS THE ERRORS IN THE BIBLE.

To be concise, this person admits that it does appear the god of the Bible was in fact a volcano god but that that does not mean the god of the Koran was. This, of course, ascerts that the god of the OT did not become the god of the Koran. If that is so, can we then ascert that the Torah must not be used by any Muslims?

So, with this statement in mind, I ask you......is Allah the god of the Old Testament or is he a totally different god?

Should we all now be converting from one desert deity to another?

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posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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That is very far from how I interpret the religions. God was a voice or spirit coming down from heaven from what I learned, and I read the whole bible. I read parts of the Koran, and I saw that it referred to what was taught in the Torah. So the God of the Koran is the God of Moses and Jesus.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:19 PM
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Well...since you did quote part of something, you admit permission was denied to. Are you posting this thread looking for good replies to that person....

Des



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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I did not admit that it appears that the God of the Bible was a volcano. I said you can argue that He was all you want. Please do not misrepresent what I said.

But if the God of the Bible is a volcano then the God of the Quran would have to be also. The problem with that is the God of the Quran says, "Say (to the people): 'He, Allah, is One. Allah the Eternal, Self-Sustaining Reality. He was not beget nor has he begotten (a son). There is none comparable unto Him."

So how can the Creator of the Universe as described in the Bible and Quran be a volcano if He, in His own words, separates Himself 100% from His creation by proclaiming that nothing in creation is comparable to Him? That would include volcanos.

Your Yahweh/Allah is a volcano god falls apart under Quranic, histporical, and etymological scrutiny.

Now you may ask, "Historical? Etymological? How so?" Well, because, for one, the name Allah is from the Arabic al-Ilah which is translated as the "The God." And historically because Allah was worshipped in the Arabian Peninsula long before the advent of Islam. Allah was the chief Creator deity that resided over all of the lesser gods the pagan Arabs worshipped. Allah was the chief Deity and He was not ever worshipped as a volcano or representative of a volcano.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:30 PM
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She is. I invited her to discuss this with me privately in U2U or to make a thread regarding it. She obviously rejected private U2U discussions.
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posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:32 PM
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unfortunatly i don't know the Koran... but its always interesting talking to someone who does...


'He, Allah, is One. Allah the Eternal, Self-Sustaining Reality. He was not beget nor has he begotten (a son). There is none comparable unto Him."


We are all Gods children... all divine in our own right, but not compareable to God.

Jesus said "there are none greater then God"...

By the way... The OT God is not the same entity as the God Jesus spoke of...




posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:33 PM
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Me in CAPS


Originally posted by CoolerAbdullah786
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I did not admit that it appears that the God of the Bible was a volcano. I said you can argue that He was all you want. Please do not misrepresent what I said.

YOU SAID IT CAN BE ARGUED THE GOD OF THE BIBLE WAS A VOLCANO. IF YOU GAVE ME PERMISSION TO POST YOUR MESSAGE IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM THEN EVERYONE CAN SEE WHAT YOU SAID.

But if the God of the Bible is a volcano then the God of the Quran would have to be also. The problem with that is the God of the Quran says, "Say (to the people): 'He, Allah, is One. Allah the Eternal, Self-Sustaining Reality. He was not beget nor has he begotten (a son). There is none comparable unto Him."

VOLCANOES CANNOT TALK. YOUR COMMENT, THEREFORE, IS LAUGHABLE.

So how can the Creator of the Universe as described in the Bible and Quran be a volcano if He, in His own words, separates Himself 100% from His creation by proclaiming that nothing in creation is comparable to Him? That would include volcanos.

AGAIN, LAUGHABLE.

Your Yahweh/Allah is a volcano god falls apart under Quranic, histporical, and etymological scrutiny.

Now you may ask, "Historical? Etymological? How so?" Well, because, for one, the name Allah is from the Arabic al-Ilah which is translated as the "The God." And historically because Allah was worshipped in the Arabian Peninsula long before the advent of Islam. Allah was the chief Creator deity that resided over all of the lesser gods the pagan Arabs worshipped. Allah was the chief Deity and He was not ever worshipped as a volcano or representative of a volcano.

ALLAH WAS WORSHIPPED IN THE ARABIAN PENINSULAR BECAUSE THE ARABIAN PENINSULAR WAS AND STILL IS THE MOST VOLCANIC LAND ON EARTH.




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posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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i have my money on the OT god being an alien. but yeh from an Islamic prespective it's the same god as the god of abrham n moses n those dudes



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by CoolerAbdullah786
reply to post by Destinyone
 


She is. I invited her to discuss this with me privately in U2U or to make a thread regarding it. She obviously rejected private U2U discussions because, IMO, she is seeking an audience for her false "volcano god" theory. And, like I've realized in other anti-god/anti-Islam discussions with her, once the discussion starts going sour for her she either disappears and/or reports people's comments. I got a warning for one thread all because, despite all of her anti-Islam propaganda and lies that I refuted, in one of many refutations I called her an Islamophobe and allegedly that's a T&C violation.

So clearly you have to walk a fine line when confronting bigots (or denying ignorance) on this website. If it ever happens again I'll probably repeal it to someone higher up because I don't see how calling out someone who makes bigoted (Islamophobic) statements like, "All Muslim men hate women" is a violation of the T&C of this forum, yet the person who keeps making the bigoted statements over and over again never gets a warning. Seems fishy to me.

Now back to the topic


Every comment of yours calling me a bigot gets reported. It's not possible to be an Islamophobe because a phobia is an irrational fear of something and fearing Islam is completely rational.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:38 PM
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God is an only God, no matter you call it Allah or Lord or something else..... but it is better that you do not call it a father. it is misunderstanding!



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:41 PM
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Actually something like homophobia or Islamophobia doesn't always refer to an irrational fear. Look it up. But see can't even have a discussion with you because you descend to insulting the religion of Islam and all Muslims and then hide behind reporting posts. It's okay for you to insult and stereotype all Muslims, but it's not okay to correctly label your anti-Islam campaign as bigotry?

I'm done with you and your volcano god nonsense since you want to play the "report posts" game. Two can play that game.
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posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:45 PM
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I love your signature:
""""I warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed and Allah is not one-eyed." - Prophet Muhammad Sahih Bukhari 4:55:553"""

and to those who do not know.by Dajjal he means the Anti_christ.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:52 PM
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Consider Allah means God, then yes, if a person of Arabic-dialect read the Bible, they could safely say that the creator in the OT is Allah.

Allah of the Koran, however, is not the same as the God of the Bible. They are not the same deity, no matter how much secular "new-age" kids like to think because he is listed as the God of Abraham, it is not the same deity, because his words are not the same and contradict each other.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:53 PM
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Thanks, Maes. I believe that the mention of a one-eyed Dajjal could be a reference to the "antichrist" coming from the Illuminati (with their all-seeing eye symbol). The prophecies also say that the Dajjal will proclaim himself to be God and points out that God does not have one eye.

I do want to point out that while a lot of Muslims translates the Dajjal as being "antichrist," the more accurate translation is "False Messiah" (ad-Dajjal al-Masih). He would be synonymous, though, with the anti-Christ or Beast figure from Christian end times prophecy and the Book of Revelation.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by Lionhearte

Allah of the Koran, however, is not the same as the God of the Bible. They are not the same deity, no matter how much secular "new-age" kids like to think because he is listed as the God of Abraham, it is not the same deity, because his words are not the same and contradict each other.


Or He is the same God and the reason the Quran "contradicts" the Bible is because of man-made corruptions to the Biblical text. The Qur'an is believed to be the final revelation to mankind and corrects the falsehoods of the Bible.

Allah means The God. That means He is the one and only God. He is The God of Abraham, The God that all of the Bible figures worshipped. It is like saying "God is God." If you believe God is God then you would believe that Allah is God. It's the same statement. To deny Allah is to deny God.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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Can you explain why you said that it could be argued the god of the Bible was a volcano but not the god of the koran?



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 05:07 PM
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See, the problem with this argument is, basically, she is saying, "If Allah is the OT God and the OT God is a volcano, then Allah is a volcano." It is presupposing it's own end without proving it. Furthermore, an argument can be made that the OT God is not a volcano because Allah is the same as the OT God and in the Quran Allah clearly distinguishes Himself from His creation and that would include volcanos (and aliens, as some people argue).

The whole argument misses that the Qur'an is believed to be the final Revelation of God to mankind and it was sent to correct errors and false beliefs of the Bible introduced by man. So the Quran trumps what the Bible, including the OT says, and is therefore what we look to. Where in the Quran is there anything that suggests that Allah, The One True God of mankind, is a volcano? Because everything indicates quite the opposite.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by TheFogHorn
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Can you explain why you said that it could be argued the god of the Bible was a volcano but not the god of the koran?


That's not what I said. You are purposefully misquoting me again. What I said was, "You can argue from the Bible that God was a volcano (astaghfirullah) but you cannot argue that from the Qur'an one bit."

I said you can argue that from the Bible because you have argued that. I've seen your ad nauseum posts distorting Bible verses to claim that God is a volcano.

Now will you please answer my numerous requests for evidence of such a claim from the Quran? Do you have any?



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by CoolerAbdullah786
See, the problem with this argument is, basically, she is saying, "If Allah is the OT God and the OT God is a volcano, then Allah is a volcano." It is presupposing it's own end without proving it. Furthermore, an argument can be made that the OT God is not a volcano because Allah is the same as the OT God and in the Quran Allah clearly distinguishes Himself from His creation and that would include volcanos (and aliens, as some people argue).

The whole argument misses that the Qur'an is believed to be the final Revelation of God to mankind and it was sent to correct errors and false beliefs of the Bible introduced by man. So the Quran trumps what the Bible, including the OT says, and is therefore what we look to. Where in the Quran is there anything that suggests that Allah, The One True God of mankind, is a volcano? Because everything indicates quite the opposite.


So you're saying that even if the god of the OT was in fact an imaginery volcano god, Allah is still real because it says so in the Koran?



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 05:15 PM
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