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Originally posted by ImaFungi
you use the balloon analogy to describe a very tiny concept,.,.,.,., if there are 3 galaxies,,, the space in between them gets larger,..,., thats all the balloon analogy attempts at describing,,, no need to make it more complicated,.,.,., I agree that galaxies move in relation to other galaxies,..,.,., I agree the distance between galaxies change,.,.,,.
something im wondering on a different line of thought,.,..,,.,.
is it known what becomes of all the energy/radiation emitted at all times from every star and galaxy? where does it go, what does it do?
Originally posted by ImaFungi
if we were on a carousel.,.., and we were seated across from each other,.,,. and the carousel was very large,,.,., so large that we needed a camera to prove to ourselves there was another across from us,,,, every time we took a picture across it would look as though, the other across was moving away from us,,,
Originally posted by ImaFungi
reply to post by wirehead
but you agree that all physical matter was once all densly together,,,, and it expanded in micronanoseconds?
if its all together one micronsecond and the next completely separated by light years,,,, isnt that activity synonymous with explosive?
Originally posted by ImaFungi
you dont think millions of years of stars worth of radiation and energy can have anything to do with dark matter or energy?
some of it hits our retina, thats funny,,,, thats the least amount of energy the sun lets of the relatively handful of photons that hit our eye in this moment or that,.,.,.., millions of years of the suns energy going off into space has created all life on earth,,, so im assuming it is quite powerful stuff,, and there is quite a lot of it,.
Originally posted by ImaFungi
reply to post by wirehead
if it did explode like the manner i described and did leave an empty center, with all physical universal matter residing around this center and expanding outwardly in relation to that center.,,..,. if that did occur,,,. from where we are in the universe,, would we be able to detect or measure that center?
Originally posted by Lionhearte
reply to post by Kryties
Lol. Sure, call yourself "rational" and "logical" all you want. Doesn't make it so. I call your beliefs a religion, because it requires faith. Your deity is called "Chance" and "Time" and with them, all things are possible. They have brought us to where we are today, according to your very own religion.
I don't really care about your answer actually, I'm sure it will be some more nonsense regarding something some dude said in the Bible, right after God conjures up a few rainbows.
Okay?
Originally posted by jiggerj
And your deductive reasoning is, a god did it all? I say this with a giggle: Are you insane?
The creation needs a creator. Would you laugh at someone who claims a watchmaker made their watch, calling them insane? Based off your logic, I suppose you would. And that, friend, would make you mentally unstable, as most people would agree. At least, those who have a working 3 lb brain.edit on 5-7-2012 by Lionhearte because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ImaFungi
reply to post by wirehead
if it did explode like the manner i described and did leave an empty center, with all physical universal matter residing around this center and expanding outwardly in relation to that center.,,..,. if that did occur,,,. from where we are in the universe,, would we be able to detect or measure that center?
Originally posted by CLPrime
Originally posted by ImaFungi
isnt the definition of increasing distance between two objects,,, movement?
Nope. Not in this case, anyway. The space between the objects is expanding, the objects aren't propelling themselves away from each other.
Originally posted by CLPrime
reply to post by YouSir
Where I said "the objects aren't propelling themselves away from each other" should indicate that I was, at least for the moment, considering "movement" to be self-propulsion.
Movement is active or passive. Active: an object moves. Passive: an object is moved. Neither is the case with metric expansion.
In the case of expansion, an object at Point A stays at Point A and an object at Point B stays at Point B, no matter who you ask. This means there is no movement of either the object at Point A or the object at Point B. Rather, what's happening is the space between Point A and Point B is stretching. This doesn't move either object. In fact, if it moves the objects, then it actually moves the Points themselves. Seeing as how it's impossible for coordinate points to move, this obviously didn't happen...and neither did any movement of the objects at those points.
There is no movement. At all.
Also, the pressure isn't acting on objects...it's acting on space. It's stretching space, not pushing on objects. Again, no movement. Just stretching space.edit on 10-7-2012 by CLPrime because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by YouSir
Ummm, That would be wonderful....if we dont consider time.
So, according to your explanation, all of matter has not moved and still occupies the singularity at the moment....BEFORE...expansion.
You have also stated that it is not space that presses on matter but that some unexplained pressure is distorting space or "stretching" it. (I know, I know, please insert "dark energy")
You have in essence implied that space itself is stretched,
is it then thinned, like the rubber in the balloon analogy?
Originally posted by CLPrime
Actually most people do forget one fact when they talk about the expansion of space -- it's an expansion of time as well. The entire spacetime manifold is expanding, not just its spatial components.