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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by CX
This is the problem with the current form of protest in the UK, everyone has their own little protest or strike on Separate days and it can appear that people are only defending their own conditions, when it should be about defending everyones conditions. The police have their own separate protest, as do the Doctors, the nurses and teachers and now the Army. It would be far more effective if they all joined together for one day. They share the same concerns, just in different circumstances.
Originally posted by CX
My only concerns about this march will be that it just turns out to be nothing more than that, and the politicians do nothing about it.
There's not really much more you can do, apart from if you're ready to go one step further and lay down arms.
I know there's a lot of passion in this thread, and rightly so, there should be because the topic is so serious, but looking at the protest itself realistically....
A peaceful protest is about all you can do. Anything more that amounts to violence or damage to property, can only do harm to the forces image. I think i'm saying, be professional, don't let yourselves end up looking like the chavs that rioted last summer. Apart from a full-on kicking out of the politicians...which won't happen...or a complete u-turn, which i'm not sure they'd do with such big plans, i think this will just be a point made and nothing more done.
The soldiers protesting haven't got pointer sticks at all. They will be unarmed on the streets of UK as always. contrary to general opinion, just because they are soldiers, it doesn't mean they can take all of their weapons out of the armoury to go protest with.
So in that sense, they will be dealt with in the same manner by the police as any other protester. Yes you would hope there would be a little more understanding, after all, many police officers are ex-forces themselves, but otherwise, a protester will get dealt with accordingly. Yes soldiers are trained to fight in combat, but generaly, the average soldier is no more deadly than any civillian who has been pushed far enough. I know it feels good to feel invincible, but lets be realistic here, we're not.
Many on this protest will be have been sat behind a desk for to long, or will be too worried about getting into trouble for theirs or thier family's sake, or just too disciplined to cause any concernable aggro.
I think there is a little too much hope for a "police v army" scenario going on. As i've said before, hopefully the professionalism side will override any thought of this.
Please don't think of this as an attempt to belittle the protest. It is one of the most well deserved protests i can think of. I've served with many men in the past who suddenly had their regiments disbanded, and it's not a nice thing to witness. The army, or your regiment is not just a job to most. It's your life, your family, and they are one of the few people you would happily die for without a second thought.
I just hope that a peaceful march will do the trick. Best of luck with it. Just the medals being thrown over the gates at Downing Street would be a sight to see indeed.
CX.edit on 6/7/12 by CX because: spelingz
Originally posted by Zngland
All soldiers must take an oath of allegiance upon joining the Army, a process known as attestation. Those who believe in God, and wish to swear by him, use the following words:
I (your name), swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs and successors and that I will as in duty bound honestly and faithfully defend Her Majesty, her heirs and successors in person, crown and dignity against all enemies and will observe and obey all orders of Her Majesty, her heirs and successors and of the generals and officers set over me.
Others replace the words "swear by Almighty God" with "solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm".
wikipediaedit on 6-7-2012 by Zngland because: wikipedia
Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by EvanB
No better in Oz matey. My brother went there for 12 months and while nice as a novelty, it soon wears off. Same old bollocks as here, just with plenty more creepy crawlies that can kill you while taking a dump. Personally, if I was to choose an Anglosphere country to emigrate to, it would be Canada...
But, good luck either way!!
Originally posted by supermouse
reply to post by Wulfric
In the unlikely event that we end up fighting a full-scale war in the next few years, it will be vital that we can purchase munitions and supplies to fight it with. If we've wasted all our money in the relatively peaceful times then we simply won't have the resources to be able to defend ourselves.
That's why its really important that the public sector reign in their greed now. This includes the money they hand out to the soldiers AND the money they hand out to the bankers. The situation isn't one where we can pick and choose, we need to stop the waste.