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Originally posted by Agarta
When I clicked on this thread and read the OP I thought this was going to be some really violent situation. What it looked like to me is kid outside during curfew or in an area he was not supposed to be. The arm grab looked a little rough but not overly so and the kick was no more than a spanking would be. It seemed like they were simply telling the kid he was doing wrong, gave him a swift kick in the pants and sent him home. The child ran away, he did not limp away or lay there bleeding. I know violence is violence but in this case I think it's being exaggerated.
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Afghan President Hamid Karzai on Wednesday denounced the use of child suicide bombers, saying that militants who recruit them to wage terror are "oppressors of Islam" and "oppressors of children."
Karzai sat in a sunny courtyard at the presidential palace with about 20 young Afghans who had either surrendered to Afghan authorities or had been arrested across the nation in connection with planned suicide bombings. After a brief chat, he ordered aides to help the young men, ages 10 through 16, find homes, education or be released to their parents.
Afghan intelligence officials say the Taliban turns to young boys because they are easier to recruit than adults and tend to believe what recruiters tell them. Confirmed cases are rare, and it's difficult to identify the bodies of bombers who blow themselves up, but intelligence officials say there has been a recent increase in the use of children.
On May 1, police said a 12-year-old blew himself up in a bazaar in the Barmal district of Paktika province in the east, killing four civilians and wounding 12 others. On April 13, a 13-year-old suicide bomber detonated his explosives vest in Asmar district of Kunar province. The blast, also in the east, killed 10 people, including five schoolboys and an influential tribal elder, Malik Zareen, who was a former military commander who supported the Afghan government.
Originally posted by CrimsonMoon
reply to post by quedup
We don’t know the context.
Maybe the kid is out after curfew and that soldier just nearly squeezed the trigger on him. A kick in the arse is something that kid will remember but it may very well save him from getting his brains painted up some wall.
Originally posted by earthdude
reply to post by LadySkadi
So you guys are saying that it is ok to kick an infant for crying too much? I'm just curious where you draw the line at kicking children. Would a 3 year old be too young to kick?
Is the Israeli Defense Force abusing ALL children? No, of course they're not. So, clearly, I'm not suggesting that.
Are you suggesting that its OK to abuse ALL children because of a few?
Oh, I don't know. How about, "If you play outside the rules, you can't claim the protection of the rules?" or "If you don't act like a child, don't be expected to be treated like a child."
Can you elaborate further on the relevance of the article?
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by jrmcleod
So your response is based on assumptions?
I don't know about the context...
Why would a soldier hurry to respond to someone throwing stones. Why would they need to bring them in for questioning?
Someone starts throwing rocks, the soldiers hurry to respond. They grab the person, in case it's an adult or other person they need to take in for questioning.
But they are children and should be treated like children...that doesn't include violence...
If you don't act like a child, don't be expected to be treated like a child."
To get them to stop, perhaps? What do the policemen in your part of the world do when they come upon someone throwing rocks at people?
Why would a soldier hurry to respond to someone throwing stones.
"What's your name? Where do you live? Did someone tell you to throw rocks? Are there guns in your house? Bombs?" Etc.
Why would they need to bring them in for questioning?
If, per chance, a 12 year-old comes at you with a gun shouting, well, any battle cry, may you use violence to protect yourself? It seems that I am saying yes, and you are saying no.
But they are children and should be treated like children...that doesn't include violence...
Look the point I'm making is that there is NO need for violence. Why can't people get that in their heads? Do you or anyone who condones it expect the planet to get any better while we accept it as "normal" and acceptable?
Originally posted by yuppa
Setups usually involve a provocation. we dont see what the kid did. If the kid assaulted anyone here how many of you would not have grabbed his arm like that and told him off? I bet quite a few would have don the same its not a racial or ethnic issue its a human issue.
I have been working on the assumption that when the last line of the source article says there are some reports that the kid was throwing rocks, then that was what he was doing. I could be entirely wrong.
Setups usually involve a provocation. we dont see what the kid did.