Germany And Russia Both Invaded Poland,But France And England Only Declared War Against Germany,Why?

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posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 12:05 PM
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Wernher Von Braun And Dr Carol Rosin False Flag Wars and Exopolitics > exopolitics.blogs.com...

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posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 04:18 PM
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Face it, the empires, stalin, and king herod have a lot in
common, a lust for control and giving the crown of thorns
to their 'enemies'; even if it means spilling innocent blood.
Ask your self why the current ptb are in bed with
Saudi and Bahrain monarchy all while they are committing
human atrocities ?

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posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 11:15 AM
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Stalin destroys the majority of his military command,while intentionally starving and murdering untold millions of people,while sending millions of others to hell in siberia,while invading and occupying several countries and the united states just casually overlooks those evil deeds,while condemning hitler for doing more or less the same things...



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 11:17 AM
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The united states government aided and abetted an evil monster when it allied itself with stalin...

A pictures worth a thousand words,every picture tells a story and this photo clearly shows how the united states government and its military high command continues to operate around the world...

Shaking Hands With Saddam Hussein The United States Tilts Toward Iraq 1980-1984 > www.gwu.edu...
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posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 11:27 AM
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excellent post my friend- growing up in the UK I was always fed the lie that if any war was justifiable and "proper", it was WW2- I have since looked at it more honestly and feel that this is not the case.

It involved some of the most horrific slaughter of people from the rape and murder of German civilians by the Russians, to the German camps, to the Japanese barbarity, to the US barbarity of incinerating tens of thousands of Japanese men, women and children............


Truly dark stain on human existence



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 11:50 AM
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World war 2 was a world wide revolution,the greatest self inflicted human catastrophe ever known and upwards of around 70,000,000 people were destroyed during that brutally savage conflict and the majority of the death and destruction occurred upon the eastern front within the span of only four years,where and when around 30,000,000 soldiers and civilians were ruthlessly doomed and barbarically annihilated...
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posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by blueorder
 
World war two was a world wide revolution,the greatest self inflicted human catastrophe ever known and upwards of around 70,000,000 people were destroyed and the majority of the death and destruction occurred upon the eastern front within the span of only four years,where and when around 30,000,000 soldiers and civilians were ruthlessly doomed and barbarically annihilated...

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indeed, and it annoys me when you watch documentaries on the likes of the History channel and realise the propaganda going on

* Dark forboding music signifies bad guys (Germans, Italians and Japs)

* Different music for the good guys (Brits, US, etc)



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by kalisdad
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history is written by the winners...

until the internet, most people were not aware that Stalin murdered more of his own people than Hitler did. This is because the USSR was an ally to the UK & US during WWII. We can't tell the children that our friend is a mass murderer...

we also forget that Germany and Russia had a non-aggression pact, which both had intent of breaking. It just happend to be Germany that struck first. Wiping out the Soviet soldiers that were building up for their attack on Germany.

its all propaganda that has been force fed to the people for years. Information that is quickly being disputed with the access to the internet.

I equate it to the people of America thinking that they live in a Democracy... its a lie that was fed to us so much, that we believe it to be truth.



Nicely said, kalisdad. History is a shifting foundation that in an Orwellian way, gets rewritten multiple times to ensure it fits with the current agenda. We're seeing this in action in Syria as we speak as it was in Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan previously.

What we can be reasonably sure of is what historical figures said as captured in radio recordings and film footage and with those and various official documents, we can get a feel for the truth even if we cannot be absolutely sure of it.

Through various speeches and writings, Hitler made it clear why Germany was invading Poland as helpfully highlighted in Polish Atrocities Against the German Minority in Poland. Was all this just a demonisation ruse similar to the current demonisation of Syria's government or a true reflection of fact? Either way, it should not be dismissed without proper consideration.

This site also provides links to documents supporting the belief that the Axis of Evil (France, UK, and USA) conspired to force Germany into war by harrassing German shipping and naval vessels.

As for "double-crossing" Russia, it has been said that Hitler realised that Russia was building up forces across the border and decided to beat 'em to the punch.

It has also been said that the Luftwaffe bombing of London was in response to the firebombing of German cities. We all know that Germany had defeated France and driven British troops back across the Channel, allowing them several days to get rescued. Did Britain retaliate by launching incendiary attacks on civilian populations? I'm trawling back through my reading so that I can post the relevant links which of course will also be subject to doubt. What's more, giving any credence to such unpopular accusations can make a fellow pretty unpopular in turn.

In short, it's very difficult to trust historical records especially knowing how current events are misreported by the controlled media. Thanks to the internet, we get to hear the rest of the story these days. Knowing what we do about the demonisation of countries and governments in current times, why should we think it would be any different 60 -100 years ago?



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 11:30 AM
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this propaganda poster says a thousand words:



just like how the zionist today control the US/NATO

back then, they controlled britian the US and USSR



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by blueorder

indeed, and it annoys me when you watch documentaries on the likes of the History channel and realise the propaganda going on

* Dark forboding music signifies bad guys (Germans, Italians and Japs)

* Different music for the good guys (Brits, US, etc)


Given the crimes committed by the Germans and Japanese towards innocent civilian populations like the Poles, the Russians and everyone else on the planet, I think that the music issue is a moot one.



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by blocula
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Deep behind the scenes there really was no cold war between russia and america...

Just vast tranfers of secret technology and megabucks,while the ordinary people of both countries were kept in a constant state of fear,panic and paranoia...

While billions and trillions of dollars were being relentlessly extorted from the mainstream public,to justify their governments military expenditures for a cold war that didnt even exist,innumerable amounts of money nefariously used for the cunstruction of several vast,subterranean,multiple level, atomic blast proof bunker complexes and other secret projects...

Hundreds of millions of americans were misled to believe for forty five long years,that the supposedly evil monster russia was always moments away from killing them all and what did russia ever really do directly against the united states?

Nothing,absolutely nothing at all,thats what...

Hundreds of millions of russians were misled to believe for forty five long years,that the supposedly evil americans were always moments away from killing them all and what did america ever really do directly against russia?

Nothing,absolutely nothing at all,thats what...

Dont you see?...Its all about money and power...Its all about domination and control...Its all about lies and deceptions...

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Must see sources! Do you have any to support this claim?



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by JohnJasper
Must see sources! Do you have any to support this claim?


Fat chance. I doubt that there are any, outside of someone's imagination



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by JohnJasper


After much trawling, I've located the missing links from my earlier post.


As for "double-crossing" Russia, it has been said that Hitler realised that Russia was building up forces across the border and decided to beat 'em to the punch.


This video purportedly discusses the above topic but it's in German (I'm guessing). However, there is an english translation in the notes. It refers to Viktor Suvorov's book The Icebreaker and Suvorov's claim that Russia was preparing to invade Germany.




It has also been said that the Luftwaffe bombing of London was in response to the firebombing of German cities. We all know that Germany had defeated France and driven British troops back across the Channel, allowing them several days to get rescued. Did Britain retaliate by launching incendiary attacks on civilian populations? I'm trawling back through my reading so that I can post the relevant links which of course will also be subject to doubt. What's more, giving any credence to such unpopular accusations can make a fellow pretty unpopular in turn.


For a discussion on the evidence supporting the above, please refer to Allied bombing campaign.

These links provided for discussion purposes only and do not necessarily represent the views of the poster.



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 08:42 PM
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Because fighting Germany was already enough of a headache. We are talking about an army that inflicted casualities to the tune of 20.000.000. Americas Army was maybe a Million strong. And declaring war on Russia might have led to a rekindlement of Russia and Germany.
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posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by blocula
Germany and Russia both invaded Poland in 1939 and divided that country between them and they both committed numerous barbaric atrocities against innumerable polish soldiers and civilians and so what i would really like to know and have never read any satisfactory answers about,is why France and England declared war against Germany and not against Russia?



If you dön't mind me saying so you're g
approaching it from a modern perspective and seeing pieces that don't fit.Of course it looks staged now but thats because you assume that all parties at the time had knowledge of the big picture that history gives us.

Oh and please,a personal favour if you would.It isn't England but Great Britain or even Britain.Seems like nitpicking,I'm sure but seeing as the 51st Highland Div. launched the attack at El Allemain behind the pipers and sappers in the process of clearing the minefield for them then more than simply the English fought. ;-)

Nothing about the build up to WW2 is as clear cut as it seems except perhaps everyone understood the major destabilising factor was Nazi Germany though the concerned leaders either underestimate or fool themselves over the nature of Hitler's true intentions.

Mind you so did his own countrymen failing to appreciate his power,influence and whollx,focused,single minded purpose to fulfill his true destiny as Germanys saviour.Thats the essence of Hitler.

Today he's seen as the demonic force,hat sat at the peak of the Nazi pyramid and projected the evil down personally controlling everything.Thats crap i'm afraid but another thread another day.

The point is his political opponents saw the ranting,moustache and swastikas and believed him a cartoon character who'd be so grateful they gave him the chancellorship they'd own him.Presidenj Hindenburg saw some of Hitlers intent but was unable to see past him being just a corporalg

Well all democratic rights were suspended indefinetly after the Reichstag burnt down (sound familiar.lol) and when Hindenburg died he combined the offices of chancellor and head of state and made himself supreme leader.Der Fuehrur !!!

cont.



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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Now you also have to understand the how the main countries in the drama were seeing things at this time.

Every major combatant of the Great War were still suffering the truama.

Not to play their role down but the U.S didnt fully involved till the after the end Kiaserschlact Offensives in spring 1918.Again thats not in anyway to marginalise their part in WWI but the US didnt endure 3 and a half years of trench warfare.The massacres of Verdun,the Somme,Passchendale,Ypres or Galipolli (where as many French and British fought and died as Anzacs not to mention Turks).

After the war was won and the ceasefire and truce of Nov 11 was signed the victors would dictate the terms of Germanys guilt and repayments before peace was signed in full in 1919.Germany was under no illusion if they didnt take what they were the victors dealt them then hostilities resume and the allies will march into Berlin.

France that lost most in life,infrastructure,had been part occupied for 4 years,it's very soil and countryside torn and desecrated,held up by the arny and wealth of its oldest rival,Britain.
France lost her power,belief,just about everything and fully intended to make Germany suffer,demanding a price it couldnt pay,taking the Rheinland,immasculating the army - the pride,soul of Germany.Demanding the end of Prussian aristocratic rule and forcing democratic,capitalist government on the nation.Also they had to agree they were solely responsible for starting the war and all that happened thereafter.

Gavrillo Princip anyone ??
Archduke Franz Ferdinand,Austro-hungary anyone.lol.

France humiliated Germany and openly took pleasure in it.

Woodrow Wilson keen to be done felt France was owed so did little to curb their lust for reuenge

Britain which had bankrolled France and lost an entire generation in the fields of Belguim and France.10.000's still missing to this day a mass of bone fragment and rusting shell splinters tried to moderate their demands but it needed a UK/US effort but Wilson wouldnt criticise France.

The US came out determined never to get caught up in Europe again.Britain backover the channel believed we were best keeping to the oceans and empire cos the continent always costs us deep.France watched the border with fear swearing to fortify with steel and concrete to physically stop the hun ever entering france again.concrete not french lives.

1917 Germany saw the overthrow of the Czarist Mönarchy in Russia.They gave lenin safe passage to Russia knowing if he got power he'd end Russia's part in the war.

By 1919 Russia was having a brutal civil war between white russians and bolsheviks who wan and formed the Soviet Union.

Germans went home to a bankrupt,starving country where order had broken down.

Four years of ruthless naval blockade prevented Germany importing and food or raw materials resulting in the German people starving to death slowly.

By Autumn 1918 when the army had been beaten and began to retreat the politicians forced their hands and sued for peace but the army didnt believe they'd been beaten ön the battlefield but betrayed by cowards as they died in battle.

This belief grew and turned to rage when the new government accepted the peace terms.

Theyd betrayed the soldiers dying at the front then shamed their honour accepting humiliating terms.

The allies went home believeing the world wouldnt survive another war and were committed to keeping the peace btwn major nations.

Russians were killing each other and Germams were very resentful,order had broken down and many couldnt rest while there was a score to settle

cont



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 10:05 PM
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To understand WW2 you need to go back to WWI and where it ended.

German territory was ceded to other country in particular Poland and Czechlovalia.Austro Hungary was broken up.

And Hitler found people who would listen to him speaking about the betrayal.etc.etc.

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Ok why declare war on Germany and not the Soviet Union.

For a start the U.S never declared war on Germany.Germany declared war on the U.S straight after Pearl Harbour which nowadays seems insame but just survey the world scene early Dec 1941 -

Germany occupies France,Belgium,Holland,Denmark,Czechslovakia,Yugoslavia,Greece.Poland,Crete,Nörway.

The UK has been kicked out of Europe,our convoys under a heavy attack.Malta is getting blown to bits and Rommel is pushing the 8th Army towards Egypt whiie on the Eastern Front in the north the Germans are laying siege to Leningrad.In the South they've taken the Ukraine and looking towards the Crimea.In the centre his Panzers are getting close to Moscow.Even Stalin is get ready to evaquate the city.

Americas taken a hard blow,Deonitz U-boats roam the Atlantic and sink at will.

Anybody looking at it at the time would find it hard to believe they were just about to be crushed at the outskirts of Moscnw and besides what could the US do to Germany at that point.

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Sept 1939 Why didnt Britain and France declare war on U.S.S.R ??

Poland was the line in the sand in Western Europe after Germanys pushing for several years.


The first overt step was reoccupying the Rheinland in 36 in direct contravention of the Versilles Treaty.

Nöw were pretty sure Britain wouldnt act.Partly because the British high society to an extent admired what Hitler was doing with Germany plus the upper classes lived in fear of communism,the best shield against it was a strong Germany.Also Wallace Simpson was sharing sheet time with a major Royal and Von Ribbentrop.A direct link btwn how those who ran Britain and Berlin.

What would France do.The Army was told if French troops act get out fast but they just watched from förtress.

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The Auchluss was next.To outsiders it looked like Germans wanted to returm to Germany-sounds like sense.Hitler is getting bolder and pushing it by talking about the sudetanland a historic part of Germany but the military political class are concerned his motive is conquest and war.

Churchill had been stating how Hitler was a direct threat and sought war back in 30/31 but he was called a war monger and considered an outcast by that time,a has been.

Britain and France began to see the danger in 37 both greatly overestimated Germanys military strength and put plans to rearm quick.


So when he demanded Czechslovakia to push it further Britain and france didnt make to much nöise as now cos they just want more time.

They brokered he Munich Treaty.peace in our time aware poland was next.

when he invaded poland he thought Britain and France would grumble but not go tö war.

He was given till a certain time to pull out of poland but didnt so WW2 began although they werent able to give Poland military help



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 10:13 PM
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no

USSR was a zionist entity much like UK and France



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 11:49 PM
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Why would you declare war on Soviet Uniom when you've already done so Germany.

Poland was simply the line in the sand that Germany crossed andt wouldnt pullback from.If they hadnt of overestimated Germanys materail strength they may have tried it over Czechoslyvakia instead of buying time.

The point being Germanys path was always gonna end up in another war as all underlying problems werent settle by the peace treaty.

Germany had to deal with the west before turning on the East.The pact with Stalin meant he didnt need to watch his back while at war with France and the UK.

No öne believed they'd knock France out and push the British out in 8 weeks



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by RizeorDie
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no

USSR was a zionist entity much like UK and France


Would you like to explain this remarkable statement? As far as I was aware, the Zionist movement started in the 19th Century, and I'm reliably informed that the UK and France started a lot earlier than that.





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