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Originally posted by Britrebel
reply to post by blocula
Great thread and great question.
Also I wonder why the allies never took up himmlers offer to fight the russians when Berlin was being invaded. After all at that point the Russians were a far greater threat.
Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
Originally posted by Wonderer2012
Good post.
It is very difficult to look at WW2 because we were all indoctrinated in history class about what happened. So much of it, as you say, was lies.
Communist Russia was a much larger threat to Britain than Nazi Germany.
Study the Treaty of Versailles, one could argue Hitler was trying to regain colonies lost in that threaty, we will never really know the true scope of whether he wanted to take over the world as we were taught in school.
If you actually look into the facts, when Britain declared war, there was a period known as the 'Phony War.' Neither country had any reason to be at war with each other- the controlled press helped get rid of the Asquith parliament and on the very night Winston Churchill became PM, he ordered the bombing of Germans towns, killing many German civilians. This led to a retaliation by the Germans.
People who proposed this argument at the time were locked up as 'Nazi Sympathisers' under Regulation 18b,
which is what the NDAA will be used for on a much larger scale when the SHTF.
When you look at history, it is amazing that Britain were allies with Russia and Stalin, he was a mass murdering lunatic- his policies through the Great Purge and the great faminine that killed up to ten million people in the run up to WW2- what was Britain thinking?
But of course, Russia was intended to be maintained in order for the cold war to split the world for many decades.
en.wikipedia.org...
Dear. God. Where do I even start?
Ok. Let's start with the basics. Hitler invaded Poland despite the fact that he was told that to do so would lead to the Britain and France declaring war. He therefore negotiated the non-agression pact with Stalin and attacked, thinking that Britain and France wouldn't declare war. He was dead wrong. Even Neville Chamberlain (NOT Asquith, wrong war!) had realised by this point that Adolf Hitler couldn't be trusted in any way shape or form.
Then there's this little claim about Churchill and the bombing of Germany after he became PM. Can I remind you that Churchill became PM on the 10th of May, just after the Germans attacked through the Ardennes - so any bombing was on the German forces massing to attack. And any RAF attacks (this was way before Harris and the carpet bombing of German cities) East of the Rhine started after Rotterdam was carpet bombed by the Luftwaffe on May 14th.
Still hoping that the British would negotiate for peace, Hitler explicitly prohibited attacks on London and against civilians.[87] Any airmen who, deliberately or unintentionally, violated this order were punished.[87] Hitler's No. 17 Directive, issued 1 August 1940, established the conduct of war against England and specifically forbade the Luftwaffe from conducting terror raids. The Führer declared that terror attacks could only be a means of reprisal, as ordered by him,[101] despite the raids conducted by RAF Bomber Command against industries in urban Germany since May 1940. Hitler's instructions were echoed in Hermann Göring's general order, issued on 30 June 1940:
The war against England is to be restricted to destructive attacks against industry and air force targets which have weak defensive forces. ... The most thorough study of the target concerned, that is vital points of the target, is a pre-requisite for success. It is also stressed that every effort should be made to avoid unnecessary loss of life amongst the civilian population.
—Hermann Göring [102]
On August 8, 1940, the Germans switched to raids on RAF fighter bases.[103] To reduce losses, the Luftwaffe also began to use increasing numbers of bombers at night.[104] By the last week of August, over half the missions were flown under the cover of dark. On August 24, fate took a turn, and several off-course German bombers accidentally bombed residential areas of London.[105][106][107][108] The next day, the RAF bombed Berlin for the first time, targeting Tempelhof airfield and the Siemens factories in Siemenstadt.[109] These attacks were seen as indiscriminate bombings by the Germans due to their inaccuracy, and this infuriated Hitler;[110][111][112] he ordered that the 'night piracy of the British' be countered by a concentrated night offensive against the island, and especially London.
Originally posted by Britrebel
reply to post by blocula
Great thread and great question.
Also I wonder why the allies never took up himmlers offer to fight the russians when Berlin was being invaded. After all at that point the Russians were a far greater threat.
Originally posted by BobAthome
reply to post by Flavian
Britain wanted to contain German expansionism and prevent Germany from establishing an Empire.
actually that was accomplished by Britian,/France in WW1.
ww2 was the child of that result.
Originally posted by Britrebel
reply to post by blocula
Wow, I did not know that. Makes me wonder even more why we allied the Russians, when they were so blatantly trying to invade Europe.
Makes you wonder if the Germans were the real enemy.
Hmm, pondering.
What you've said above,may be closer to the suppressed truth than most people realize...
Originally posted by Britrebel
reply to post by blocula
Makes you wonder if the Germans were the real enemy.