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Germany And Russia Both Invaded Poland,But France And England Only Declared War Against Germany,Why?

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posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:32 PM
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of whether he wanted to take over the world



u cant be serious,, there is doubt about,,,quote "of whether he wanted to take over the world " unqoute.

seriously i give up.

old guy.




posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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Great thread and great question.

Also I wonder why the allies never took up himmlers offer to fight the russians when Berlin was being invaded. After all at that point the Russians were a far greater threat.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by Britrebel
reply to post by blocula
 


Great thread and great question.

Also I wonder why the allies never took up himmlers offer to fight the russians when Berlin was being invaded. After all at that point the Russians were a far greater threat.


... because we were too busy destroying entire German armies West of the Elbe. The Soviets were our allies, plus by that point we'd worked out the zones of occupation in Germany. Why would we have risked that?



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by Wonderer2012


Good post.

It is very difficult to look at WW2 because we were all indoctrinated in history class about what happened. So much of it, as you say, was lies.

Communist Russia was a much larger threat to Britain than Nazi Germany.

Study the Treaty of Versailles, one could argue Hitler was trying to regain colonies lost in that threaty, we will never really know the true scope of whether he wanted to take over the world as we were taught in school.

If you actually look into the facts, when Britain declared war, there was a period known as the 'Phony War.' Neither country had any reason to be at war with each other- the controlled press helped get rid of the Asquith parliament and on the very night Winston Churchill became PM, he ordered the bombing of Germans towns, killing many German civilians. This led to a retaliation by the Germans.

People who proposed this argument at the time were locked up as 'Nazi Sympathisers' under Regulation 18b,
which is what the NDAA will be used for on a much larger scale when the SHTF.

When you look at history, it is amazing that Britain were allies with Russia and Stalin, he was a mass murdering lunatic- his policies through the Great Purge and the great faminine that killed up to ten million people in the run up to WW2- what was Britain thinking?

But of course, Russia was intended to be maintained in order for the cold war to split the world for many decades.

en.wikipedia.org...


Dear. God. Where do I even start?
Ok. Let's start with the basics. Hitler invaded Poland despite the fact that he was told that to do so would lead to the Britain and France declaring war. He therefore negotiated the non-agression pact with Stalin and attacked, thinking that Britain and France wouldn't declare war. He was dead wrong. Even Neville Chamberlain (NOT Asquith, wrong war!) had realised by this point that Adolf Hitler couldn't be trusted in any way shape or form.
Then there's this little claim about Churchill and the bombing of Germany after he became PM. Can I remind you that Churchill became PM on the 10th of May, just after the Germans attacked through the Ardennes - so any bombing was on the German forces massing to attack. And any RAF attacks (this was way before Harris and the carpet bombing of German cities) East of the Rhine started after Rotterdam was carpet bombed by the Luftwaffe on May 14th.


My apologies I've been researching both WW1 and WW2 and got both PM's who were removed during wartime wrong. You got me there


However-



Still hoping that the British would negotiate for peace, Hitler explicitly prohibited attacks on London and against civilians.[87] Any airmen who, deliberately or unintentionally, violated this order were punished.[87] Hitler's No. 17 Directive, issued 1 August 1940, established the conduct of war against England and specifically forbade the Luftwaffe from conducting terror raids. The Führer declared that terror attacks could only be a means of reprisal, as ordered by him,[101] despite the raids conducted by RAF Bomber Command against industries in urban Germany since May 1940. Hitler's instructions were echoed in Hermann Göring's general order, issued on 30 June 1940:

The war against England is to be restricted to destructive attacks against industry and air force targets which have weak defensive forces. ... The most thorough study of the target concerned, that is vital points of the target, is a pre-requisite for success. It is also stressed that every effort should be made to avoid unnecessary loss of life amongst the civilian population.
—Hermann Göring [102]




On August 8, 1940, the Germans switched to raids on RAF fighter bases.[103] To reduce losses, the Luftwaffe also began to use increasing numbers of bombers at night.[104] By the last week of August, over half the missions were flown under the cover of dark. On August 24, fate took a turn, and several off-course German bombers accidentally bombed residential areas of London.[105][106][107][108] The next day, the RAF bombed Berlin for the first time, targeting Tempelhof airfield and the Siemens factories in Siemenstadt.[109] These attacks were seen as indiscriminate bombings by the Germans due to their inaccuracy, and this infuriated Hitler;[110][111][112] he ordered that the 'night piracy of the British' be countered by a concentrated night offensive against the island, and especially London.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by Britrebel
reply to post by blocula
 


Great thread and great question.

Also I wonder why the allies never took up himmlers offer to fight the russians when Berlin was being invaded. After all at that point the Russians were a far greater threat.


Churchill, Montgomery and Patton wanted to take as much of Europe as possible, which could have led to fighting the Soviet Army. Eisenhower was opposed, feeling that taking Berlin would require the sacrifice of many soldiers, and it was better to let Soviets die for their country, rather than have the Allied soldiers die for theirs. In this instance, Eisenhower probably was correct.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 09:13 PM
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The nazi invasion of russia and the resulting 30,000,000 deaths within only 4 years of savage battles upon the eastern front,was not just a german assault...

Amazingly,10 different countries fought against russia on the eastern front, germany, austria, finland, italy, romania, hungary, croatia, slovakia and neutrals spain and portugal sent 50,000 volunteers and incredibly,there were even 1,000,000 russian volunteers fighting against russia as well...

And so while its intentionally never described this way,the eastern front of world war 2 was actually a european crusade to try and keep communism out of europe...

Something that the united states,after world war 2,spent the following 45 years trying to do...

So the real reasons why france,england and the united states allied themselves with russia,has yet to be faithfully answered...
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posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 11:36 PM
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_____________________

When democracy, and technology become our 'enemies' and
tptb/stalinism/crown/bloodlines become our masters then
we as sovereign individuals have had the wool pulled down over
our eyes.
If there is justice then stalin and his anti-democratic,
murderous-gang would not have been rewarded with East-Germany,
but england should have tried him and his men at the Hague.
. . . . and the saga continues 2012 . . . .
You don't need to be a rocket-scientist to figure it out.
Why do you think they put fluoride in tap water ? really ? babies and
majority of denture wearers need toxic fluoride ?

_____________________



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 11:49 PM
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"So long as those malicious tailless apes who are so proud of their technical achievements,the animals that we call men,will build armies and wage wars,the command will always be obliged to place the soldiers between the possible death in the front and the inevitable death in the rear"

Leon Trotsky 1879-1940 asassinated in mexico as ordered by stalin...
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posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 04:03 AM
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Originally posted by BobAthome
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Britain wanted to contain German expansionism and prevent Germany from establishing an Empire.
actually that was accomplished by Britian,/France in WW1.

ww2 was the child of that result.


It was also a prime concern of World War 2. Look at the German "lebensraum" policies, the plans for gaining control of various oil fields (Romania), etc. These policies were put in place way before the start of the war.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 06:24 AM
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Wow, I did not know that. Makes me wonder even more why we allied the Russians, when they were so blatantly trying to invade Europe.

Makes you wonder if the Germans were the real enemy.

Hmm, pondering.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 06:52 AM
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Originally posted by Britrebel
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Wow, I did not know that. Makes me wonder even more why we allied the Russians, when they were so blatantly trying to invade Europe.

Makes you wonder if the Germans were the real enemy.

Hmm, pondering.


The Soviet Union run by Stalin and Britain/France/USA were never natural bedfellows.

The soviets were contemptuous of the weak western democracies and expected them to fail, in time, in line with soviet doctrine. However, they feared Nazi Germany.

Stalin thought he could buy enough time to build the Soviet Union into a force strong enough to withstand a Germany that dominated Europe. They were quite happy to see the UK and France crushed as long as they were left alone in the mean time.

It didn't pan out that way. Fortunately for the UK Hitler was a fool and attacked deep into the Soviet Union. Forcing them into the war.

Not everyone who died on the Nazi side was a necessarily a villain. People will choose what they perceive as the lesser of two evils. To a finn who's already fought the Soviets in 1939 and knows the true nature of the Soviet Regime the Nazis may have looked the lesser evil.

In the end the west and Russia allied with each other out of necessity. Nobody thinks they are the villain of the tale. Everyone aligns in opposition to what they perceive as the greater evil from where they are standing. It really depends where you are looking from.

Its easy to moralise and theorise 60 years later with visibility of all the facts. Facts those on the ground had no access to.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by Britrebel
reply to post by blocula
 


Makes you wonder if the Germans were the real enemy.

What you've said above,may be closer to the suppressed truth than most people realize...



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 07:12 AM
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Deep behind the scenes there really was no cold war between russia and america...

Just vast tranfers of secret technology and megabucks,while the ordinary people of both countries were kept in a constant state of fear,panic and paranoia...

While billions and trillions of dollars were being relentlessly extorted from the mainstream public,to justify their governments military expenditures for a cold war that didnt even exist,innumerable amounts of money nefariously used for the cunstruction of several vast,subterranean,multiple level, atomic blast proof bunker complexes and other secret projects...

Hundreds of millions of americans were misled to believe for forty five long years,that the supposedly evil monster russia was always moments away from killing them all and what did russia ever really do directly against the united states?

Nothing,absolutely nothing at all,thats what...

Hundreds of millions of russians were misled to believe for forty five long years,that the supposedly evil americans were always moments away from killing them all and what did america ever really do directly against russia?

Nothing,absolutely nothing at all,thats what...

Dont you see?...Its all about money and power...Its all about domination and control...Its all about lies and deceptions...

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posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 07:15 AM
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Imo,world war two was a direct continuation of world war one,with a 20 year pause between them, long enough for another generation of youth,born to be slaughtered,to grow old enough to die for tptb's perpetually evil war machine...

"Fascism is nothing but capitalist reaction"

Leon Trotsky 1879-1940 asassinated in mexico as ordered by stalin...



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posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 07:32 AM
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I thought you said elsewhere that it wasn't humans being evil but some unseen aliens that keep wars going so they can harvest our souls from this holographic environment...

Please Blocula, keep your stories straight, I actually thought this time you were asking a serious question...



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 08:56 AM
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Different threads contain different theories,some of them are interconnected and some of them have nothing to do with eachother...

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posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 08:57 AM
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"what did america ever really do directly against russia?" quoted from your response,
1,Berlin Wall,,,
2East/West Germany ,,
3Checkloslovakia invation,
4Cuban Missle Crisis
5East German Steroid Scandal olympics
6the starvation of Berlin,,
7nikita kruschef "We will bury you!"
8badder mienhoff
9red brigades
10Communism a belief in no God.

Ya i can see where Russian Communistic/Socialism,,, would be a good world model.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 10:30 AM
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The reason England was in bed with the Stalinists was to protect
the 'empire' ptb elites. period.
Germany was full out about being progressive, installing Democracy/
and technological knowledge to empower the slaves thus becoming a
threat to the ptb. and 'crown'
Here's some knowledge to ponder :
news.yahoo.com...
ca.news.yahoo.com...
Both my parents were in German work camps. I could tell you things that
most would not be able to wrap your heads around because of
the lies you were conditioned to believe by the ptb.
Reality is $ $ buys power, programs the media, and re-writes the 'history'

__________________________________



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posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 11:06 AM
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Hundreds of millions of innocent american and russian people were being perpetually and ruthlessly braiwashed and intentionally and relentlessly filled with fear and paranoia...

While hundreds of millions of innocent american and russian school children were being intentionally brainwashed and nefariously taught how to...

"Duck And Cover! "Hit The Deck! "Dive Under Your Beds! "Hide Your Eyes!

For protection against...Hydrogen Bombs!...Thats unbelievable!...But its very true...

Just try and imagine the sickening reality of it all,how the entire cold war was actually a fabricated false flag event,a forty five year long lie force fed to the mainstream public of both countries...

Ensuring tptb of america and russia with trillions of dollars of extorted tax money to be used against monsterously looming ever closer military threats that didnt even really exist!

Exactly as wernher von braun said it was,during an interview he gave shortly before he died...

Realizing those suppressed and hushed up realities,makes knowing why america and russia became allies during world war two,easier to comprehend and understand...

And now its the evil terrorists who are everywhere and anywhere,about to destroy us all,sounds way too damn familiar,doesnt it?
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posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 12:00 PM
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quoted from u,,,,"the entire cold war was actually a fabricated false flag event,",,unquote,,
Cuban Missle Crisis
6 Day War
Angola,
Pol Pot
Vietnam,
Korean War,
Fatah
Scud Missles,,
Syrian Military vs Turkish Military
Russia/China/u.n vs America/nato

whew,,
,,glad they above events were,just false flags,,

those events kinda had the world a little nervous,,
but glad u have now opened everyones eyes
too see that the events were false,
and didnt really, mean anything other than keeping powers in power.
After all not like there is any kind of clearly defined goals on BOTH sides.
False Flags,, whoever starting using that as an erasure of factual history,, should be sent too :
A.Middle Eastern Sharia Law Court.
B. Russian Court.
C. Western Us/British Court.

Take your pick.

OR:
D: Nazi Court System ,,,serca 1939,,as a Jew.

See the difference,,,


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