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Germany And Russia Both Invaded Poland,But France And England Only Declared War Against Germany,Why?

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posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 08:58 PM
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Stalins armies and secret police were killing poles, latvians, estonians, lithuanians, romanians, japanese, finns and russians and that was okay and acceptable with england,france and america?

Was it a case of "well as long as the russians are'nt killing any of us,who cares? or was it secret and sinister behind the scenes planning?
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posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by definity
 
I understand how we didnt like hitler,but then why did we become allies with stalin,who was even worse than hitler in many ways?



Asked and answered... the Soviet Union (get it right, it wasn't Russia then) was the best way of containing Hitler and causing a two front war...



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 09:13 PM
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Imagine if germany and russia had stayed allies through world war two and joined their forces together as one fighting unit,if that had happened,england would have been virtually destroyed and america would have never been able to land in europe and only inventing the atom bomb first would have saved america and perhaps german and russian scientists working in unison could have created nuclear weapons first...

Even if nazi germany had been able to employ its millions of elite soldiers and powerful weapons that were killed and destroyed on the eastern front,to greatly strengthen their fortress europe and against the normandy landings instead,america and england would have been decimated and they would have never been able to land anywhere in europe,until they built the atom bomb...

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posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 09:19 PM
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history is written by the winners...

until the internet, most people were not aware that Stalin murdered more of his own people than Hitler did. This is because the USSR was an ally to the UK & US during WWII. We can't tell the children that our friend is a mass murderer...

we also forget that Germany and Russia had a non-aggression pact, which both had intent of breaking. It just happend to be Germany that struck first. Wiping out the Soviet soldiers that were building up for their attack on Germany.

its all propaganda that has been force fed to the people for years. Information that is quickly being disputed with the access to the internet.

I equate it to the people of America thinking that they live in a Democracy... its a lie that was fed to us so much, that we believe it to be truth.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 09:59 PM
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The desire to obtain more natural resources and aquire more living space equals war...

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posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 10:39 PM
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neither britain , nor france could afford to declare war on the soviets in 1939 because a state of war would prompt alliance with germany and japan - and attack by the soviets



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 11:06 PM
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The armies that nazi germany had were well trained and massive and their weapons were numerous and powerful and that didnt bother england and france?

England is an island nation and they were relatively safe,but france was in a position of much greater danger, they bordered germany,had more to lose in the short run and were soon to be invaded...

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posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 03:05 AM
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sigh - look at a world map with 1939 borders - the target for soviet aggression against great britain is chuffing obvious :

invade iran and iraq on 2 fronts east and west of the caspian sea

do i need to tell you why ?



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 03:27 AM
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Maybe germany was under the control of by TPTB back then but the russians was not. and maybe they feared an all out war with the russians because they didnt realy know what they was capable of? If so then they could of used germany as a scape goat to get to know their real enemy.
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posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by ignorant_ape
 
The armies that nazi germany had were well trained and massive and their weapons were numerous and powerful and that didnt bother england and france?

England is an island nation and they were relatively safe,but france was in a position of much greater danger, they bordered germany,had more to lose in the short run and were soon to be invaded...

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France knew they were to be invaded again, hence the Maginot line. There had been wars between the two over the previous century, not just World War 1.

Britain wanted to contain German expansionism and prevent Germany from establishing an Empire.

Poland had a "pact" of protection with both Britain and France.

The Soviet Union wasn't considered a serious threat at that time - Stalin was still undertaking the Seven Year Programmes (mass industrialisation, going from feudal to technological society).

Think that answers all of your questions, if not ask away!



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by ignorant_ape
reply to post by blocula
 


sigh - look at a world map with 1939 borders - the target for soviet aggression against great britain is chuffing obvious :

invade iran and iraq on 2 fronts east and west of the caspian sea

do i need to tell you why ?
Something thats not well known and not often discussed,is the fact that during ww-2,britain invaded iraq in may 1941 and britain and russia both simultaneously invaded iran in august-september 1941...

Anglo Iraqi War > en.wikipedia.org...

Anglo Soviet Invasion Of Iran > en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by definity
 
I understand how we didnt like hitler,but then why did we become allies with stalin,who was even worse than hitler in many ways?



Because my enemies enemy is my friend. Simples!



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by justwokeup
 
Imagine if germany and russia had stayed allies through world war two and joined their forces together as one fighting unit,if that had happened,england would have been virtually destroyed and america would have never been able to land in europe and only inventing the atom bomb first would have saved america and perhaps german and russian scientists working in unison could have created nuclear weapons first...

Even if nazi germany had been able to employ its millions of elite soldiers and powerful weapons that were killed and destroyed on the eastern front,to greatly strengthen their fortress europe and against the normandy landings instead,america and england would have been decimated and they would have never been able to land anywhere in europe,until they built the atom bomb...

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A) What elite soldiers? Yes, they were very well trained, but they still died.
B) The German nuclear programme was not well advanced - the British one (Tube Alloys) was far further along the road to a usable nuclear weapon. Add on the the US side and hey presto - the bomb.
C) Decimate does not mean destroyed. It means the death of one in ten. It was a Roman thing.
D) Hitler wanted Russia for Lebensraum (living space). Everyone knew that. It was only a matter of time before he turned on Stalin and attacked.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by kalisdad
reply to post by blocula
 


history is written by the winners...

until the internet, most people were not aware that Stalin murdered more of his own people than Hitler did. This is because the USSR was an ally to the UK & US during WWII. We can't tell the children that our friend is a mass murderer...

we also forget that Germany and Russia had a non-aggression pact, which both had intent of breaking. It just happend to be Germany that struck first. Wiping out the Soviet soldiers that were building up for their attack on Germany.

its all propaganda that has been force fed to the people for years. Information that is quickly being disputed with the access to the internet.

I equate it to the people of America thinking that they live in a Democracy... its a lie that was fed to us so much, that we believe it to be truth.



Good post.

It is very difficult to look at WW2 because we were all indoctrinated in history class about what happened. So much of it, as you say, was lies.

Communist Russia was a much larger threat to Britain than Nazi Germany.

Study the Treaty of Versailles, one could argue Hitler was trying to regain colonies lost in that threaty, we will never really know the true scope of whether he wanted to take over the world as we were taught in school.

If you actually look into the facts, when Britain declared war, there was a period known as the 'Phony War.' Neither country had any reason to be at war with each other- the controlled press helped get rid of the Asquith parliament and on the very night Winston Churchill became PM, he ordered the bombing of Germans towns, killing many German civilians. This led to a retaliation by the Germans.

People who proposed this argument at the time were locked up as 'Nazi Sympathisers' under Regulation 18b,
which is what the NDAA will be used for on a much larger scale when the SHTF.

When you look at history, it is amazing that Britain were allies with Russia and Stalin, he was a mass murdering lunatic- his policies through the Great Purge and the great faminine that killed up to ten million people in the run up to WW2- what was Britain thinking?

But of course, Russia was intended to be maintained in order for the cold war to split the world for many decades.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:18 PM
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"Stalins armies and secret police were killing poles, latvians, estonians, lithuanians, romanians, japanese, finns and russians and that was okay and acceptable with england,france and america?
Was it a case of "well as long as the russians are'nt killing any of us,who cares? or was it secret and sinister behind the scenes planning?"

Actually remember the time frame,,instant communication meant,,the more remote,,the longer one became aware of the reality of the situation,,,

After the War ,,because people were actually there and talked about it,,,
Stalin had killed millions of his own people in his areas of influence,,not a big deal if your living in Omaha neb. trying to deal with " THE GRAPES OF WRATH ",,
Was it a case of "well as long as the russians are'nt killing any of us,who cares?,,ya probably for sure it was,,
did russians ,,england,,,,,france,,,send AID to Americans during the dirty thirty's??????

no they did not,, so get over it,, whats your point?



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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was it secret and sinister behind the scenes planning?"
ya probably the stock market was,, but the dirty thirties,, nope.

just before the roaring twenties,,

2012, hurry up. sigh.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:24 PM
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under the control of by TPTB back then but the russians was not.
how can u say that with a honest intent,, IT WAS STALIN!



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:26 PM
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Britain wanted to contain German expansionism and prevent Germany from establishing an Empire.
actually that was accomplished by Britian,/France in WW1.

ww2 was the child of that result.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by Wonderer2012


Good post.

It is very difficult to look at WW2 because we were all indoctrinated in history class about what happened. So much of it, as you say, was lies.

Communist Russia was a much larger threat to Britain than Nazi Germany.

Study the Treaty of Versailles, one could argue Hitler was trying to regain colonies lost in that threaty, we will never really know the true scope of whether he wanted to take over the world as we were taught in school.

If you actually look into the facts, when Britain declared war, there was a period known as the 'Phony War.' Neither country had any reason to be at war with each other- the controlled press helped get rid of the Asquith parliament and on the very night Winston Churchill became PM, he ordered the bombing of Germans towns, killing many German civilians. This led to a retaliation by the Germans.

People who proposed this argument at the time were locked up as 'Nazi Sympathisers' under Regulation 18b,
which is what the NDAA will be used for on a much larger scale when the SHTF.

When you look at history, it is amazing that Britain were allies with Russia and Stalin, he was a mass murdering lunatic- his policies through the Great Purge and the great faminine that killed up to ten million people in the run up to WW2- what was Britain thinking?

But of course, Russia was intended to be maintained in order for the cold war to split the world for many decades.

en.wikipedia.org...


Dear. God. Where do I even start?
Ok. Let's start with the basics. Hitler invaded Poland despite the fact that he was told that to do so would lead to the Britain and France declaring war. He therefore negotiated the non-agression pact with Stalin and attacked, thinking that Britain and France wouldn't declare war. He was dead wrong. Even Neville Chamberlain (NOT Asquith, wrong war!) had realised by this point that Adolf Hitler couldn't be trusted in any way shape or form.
Then there's this little claim about Churchill and the bombing of Germany after he became PM. Can I remind you that Churchill became PM on the 10th of May, just after the Germans attacked through the Ardennes - so any bombing was on the German forces massing to attack. And any RAF attacks (this was way before Harris and the carpet bombing of German cities) East of the Rhine started after Rotterdam was carpet bombed by the Luftwaffe on May 14th.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:29 PM
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mass industrialisation, going from feudal to technological society
really mass programs at that time were,,mass industrialisation, going from feudal to technological society,,
is that right,, lol

maybe once Stalingrade was in threat of being encircled,,did,,mass industrialisation, going from feudal to technological society,, begin,,

mass , going too feudal society . that was the PROGRAMSof Stalin.





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