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You have been lied too. Oh yes you have!!

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posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 03:40 PM
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You know, if I'd have seen this thread title anywhere else I'd have moved on. The title is stating the obvious right?
But as it was top billing on the homepage I gave it a click.

Sure enough, the content of the OP is run of the mill, standard, so why so many flags??

Ah, its posted by a supermod!! Obligatory bum licking comments follow and an amount of flags that don't reflect its worth.
Come on people, make room for the real news!!!!




posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by TsukiLunar
Everyone, even you, tells lies. This is a very basic, human, flaw people. So dont tell me your somehow surprised! "Oh no, gasp lies" Or the exception. "I never ever tell lies.*Halo on top of head glows brightly*"

What matters is the capability to hide those lie. The best could be found out, if you looked close enough.
edit on 3-7-2012 by TsukiLunar because: (no reason given)


All you are doing here is making it appear that those who do try to be truthful are frowned upon, maybe even more than frequent flyers (er..liars). Of course no one is exempt from lying, but those who say that they don't lie generally feel they are telling the truth, because some try so hard to never lie that they believe it themselves. I think some people try harder than others (to be truthful), and because of that they might feel the distinction between the real liars and the (generally) truthful person.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Iam'___'
You know, if I'd have seen this thread title anywhere else I'd have moved on. The title is stating the obvious right?
But as it was top billing on the homepage I gave it a click.

Sure enough, the content of the OP is run of the mill, standard, so why so many flags??

Ah, its posted by a supermod!! Obligatory bum licking comments follow and an amount of flags that don't reflect its worth.
Come on people, make room for the real news!!!!


Love your honesty


Problem is the real news is filled with lies, with nuggets of truth here and there.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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i like this part in the thread title

Oh yes you have!!

eh eh



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 04:05 PM
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Ignorance is just as dangerous. If the bridge is out on a dark road and you follow the person who ignores the sign, then you both deserve to wind up at the bottom of a gully.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 04:08 PM
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Many people simply can't handle the truth so they prefer to live in their own little world many news services know this so they give them what they want for better ratings. FOX can lie all they want because they are not a news service they are infotainment.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 04:08 PM
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Really mate?

You could check out my post history and see that many, if not most, of my threads don't get a lot of replies or stars or flags. Most of them where posted after I became staff on ATS. As a matter of fact, if I could figure out how, I'd donate them all to you. Maybe because it rings true with people? Maybe it's because it's a thread that tries to point out the obvious to people? Don't know why people decided that it was this thread they responded to but they have I guess.

There has been a lot of good points made in here, just getting to read them now. The thing is, to me anyway, anyone who says they don't lie is lying to them selves; we ALL tell lies. Like I mentioned earlier, admitting you have lied is important. Trying to be honest as possible as often as possible is important. And pointing out the harmful lies when you see it, whether they affect you or not is important. That's helping out your fellow man, something we should all try and do. Because sometimes, people refuse to beieve they have been lied to or don't want to hear the truth, as it may affect their cozy little world.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by GAOTU789
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Really mate?

You could check out my post history and see that many, if not most, of my threads don't get a lot of replies or stars or flags. Most of them where posted after I became staff on ATS. As a matter of fact, if I could figure out how, I'd donate them all to you. Maybe because it rings true with people? Maybe it's because it's a thread that tries to point out the obvious to people? Don't know why people decided that it was this thread they responded to but they have I guess.

There has been a lot of good points made in here, just getting to read them now. The thing is, to me anyway, anyone who says they don't lie is lying to them selves; we ALL tell lies. Like I mentioned earlier, admitting you have lied is important. Trying to be honest as possible as often as possible is important. And pointing out the harmful lies when you see it, whether they affect you or not is important. That's helping out your fellow man, something we should all try and do. Because sometimes, people refuse to beieve they have been lied to or don't want to hear the truth, as it may affect their cozy little world.


If people come to this site without realising they're being lied to left, right and centre then by the jeez their mind is going to be blown wide open. If you think that this is happening then you might recommend putting a disclaimer in relation to this for new visitors and maybe some links to post traumatic support!

And this is in the General Conspiracy section because??
edit on 4-7-2012 by Iam'___' because: added content



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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I always tell you the truth as I believe it.It does creep some people out I'm sure but thats the deal if you forget a lot of things.What do you tell people if you are making everything up all the time or lying.You tell the truth.That is how things actually work.Honesty.
There were a bunch of other words too but now only the vets seem to know them. It is obvious it has been for years,most of recent history has wandered away from the constitution. This next election will be be quite a contest and statement.
All the lying needs to stop if we want to survive as a species.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by canyouhandletruth


1. the people are not being informed, (media ownership) most people just parrot the tv



That right there is a very good point. I am not sure that people truly realize the erosion of our freedom that media concentration represents. Without a truly free media system, we have lost a basic and essential freedom that helps people see the truth. most of the lies that we see everyday on or in the media, comes from further and further media concentration. The fewer hands that hold the means to disseminate information, the likely that what we get is so far biased that there is little truth and mostly spin and lies in it.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 04:47 PM
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Isn't the concern more of how we are going to hold these officials and news medias responsible for their lies.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 04:55 PM
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'Trust in my fellow man' ........for me, the elusive grail. I'm sorry to say.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 04:57 PM
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You don't think that the fact that media outlets lined up to support another media outlet who wanted the legal right to lie to us is a conspiracy?

You don't think that the fact that the USSC ruled in favour of corporations being a person in the legal sense is a conspiracy?

You don't think that politicians that lie to us everyday about everything, and not just individually but collectively, is a conspiracy?

And no, everyone that comes to this site knows these things or believes these things. Just pick a half dozen random threads that are more than a couple pages long and read them. You'll see members that are new, old and everywhere in between that don't believe these things. They trust the government, or at least the current one. They post page after page of half truths, untruths, distortions and manipulations of the truth in support of one side or the other. Because I may know this or you may know this doesn't mean everyone knows this and everyone sure as heck doesn't believe it.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 05:23 PM
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You don't think that the fact that media outlets lined up to support another media outlet who wanted the legal right to lie to us is a conspiracy?


No, that's a fact!




You don't think that the fact that the USSC ruled in favour of corporations being a person in the legal sense is a conspiracy?


No, that's another fact!




You don't think that politicians that lie to us everyday about everything, and not just individually but collectively, is a conspiracy?


And that's another fact!
No conspiracy here, just plain 'in yer face' being crapped on by the corps.




As this is a thread about lies/truth and being the generally honest guy that I am, I don't think I will be out of context in saying that I find this whole thread is boring and it doesn't fulfil my reasons for coming here, which is to seek new information. If people are getting that from this thread then that's all good but I just don't see the conspiracy.

For those reasons I will be moving on but wish you the best of luck
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posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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Great thread.

The topic reminds me of my favorite quote from my favorite human being to ever truly grace our Spaceship Earth with his presence.


All of humanity is in peril of extinction if each one of us does not dare, now and henceforth, always to tell only the truth, and all the truth, and to do so promptly —
Right now.
Whether it is to be Utopia or Oblivion will be a touch-and-go relay race right up to the final moment. . . . Humanity is in ‘final exam’ as to whether or not it qualifies for continuance in the Universe.

-Selected Quotes of Buckminster Fuller

Buckminster Fuller

Cheers.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 05:59 PM
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I'm curious.
How do you know that a human being would be able to recognise truth and honesty when confronted with it?
That may sound like a simplistic, childish question, but think about it.
We are very good (as a species) at telling lies, recognising lies, 'reading between the lines', manipulating facts, interpreting data, editing information etc.....
But do we really know what truth looks like?
Does a lifetime spent peddling lies or taking degrees in interpreting/assessing lies make us masters of truth?
I would have to say, No.
Truth is a commodity, like gold, platinumn, retail estate, coffee plantations, orange orchards etc, but is rarely (if ever) treated with the same reverence and value as all these other items that have a price tag around it.
Someone once described a skeptic (if I'm right,) as someone 'who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing'.
Truth is a rare commodity, and very few are searching for it, because you can't use it on the stock markets the way you can other perishable goods. Therefore it's value is hugely underestimated, because it is not subject to the god we call 'money/mammon'.
This is the point where we should get to discuss value and currency....



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 05:59 PM
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So these bastards that have to fill our heads with lies so they can pilfer our monetary funds for their bull# stereotyping studies that point a finger at us, when they are the ones that have been bringing shame onto our American culture and name? So they can lie, cheat and create bull# laws to incarcerate the lowest on the totem pole while billions upon billions are being stolen right out from under us? I think we all know who the cons really are here, so quit trying to create every way to hide like you have been doing because you won't stand up for your atrocious crimes against humanity, nature and our political and economical ways of life. #in' want to try me? Looks like the higher ups are getting mad because more and more are learning the truth to their backstabbing ways to invade country's to create private money laundering companies and schemes. So now they want to punish us all for their crimes! That's #ing bull#!



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 06:04 PM
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And that's another fact! No conspiracy here, just plain 'in yer face' being crapped on by the corps.
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Do you have room for conjecture in your hypothesis?
Truth and facts can make odd bedfellows, and they often say different things the same way.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 06:45 PM
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I am not surprised by this thread once so ever. I believe from what I have seen, all media outlets have some propaganda they spew out at the public. Though this is why I always tell people to always question the credibility of every media source no matter what. Though of course don't just question but do research for yourself and find hardcore evidence which proves what ever point you are trying to make about any topic. It's never a bad idea to put safety first, especially with mainstream media. Mainstream media tends to give more propaganda then private media outlets. Though just because a media outlet is private don't think there isn't no scrutinizing going on. Be careful and don't trust no one's word. Always test them. Honestly, for those of you who think ATS is all politically correct you are wrong. I guarantee there has been plenty of times when there has been news threads which were spreading propaganda among the people on here. For all we know CIA agents from Anonymous could be misleading you and I as we speak. Just like if you are to get virus protection on your computer, it is not a 100% guarantee you aren't going to get a virus. I'm just stating the obvious right now but I know there are plenty of people out there who fail to realize the obvious many of times because it gets monotonous. Knowing there are CIA projects out there like operation mockingbird there is no telling who is a disinfo agent without proper thorough inspection of each media source.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 06:52 PM
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The biggest lie of all is the national security state run by the private central bankers of europe.

They hide the alien agenda, that the moon and earth are hollow, that the government is run by bankers and every vote right of left is a vote for slavery. I am not saying the left is perfect salvation but compared to liberals and conservatives it sure seems that way.

Who the hell is the government to HIDE human history and give it ONLY to the masons and other secret societies. This alone PROVES satanists have total control and view non-masons(even low ranking masons) as disposable trash for each ritual agenda.

Sickening as hell!




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