If somebody told me they didn't see a plane at the Pentagon but did see the Loch Ness monster I would rate them at about the same level as I do the FBI woman in question.

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Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
If somebody told me they didn't see a plane at the Pentagon but did see the Loch Ness monster I would rate them at about the same level as I do the FBI woman in question.

What about the people who saw and were responsible for the debris of passengers and the planes at both sites?

Do you deny their accounts?

Originally posted by The X
water is a lot less dense than the soil at shanksville.


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Not really true. The impact site at Shanksville was an abandoned strip mine. The soil is disturbed overburden which is bulldozed back over the area. Disturbed soil has an average density of about 50 pounds per cubic foot. Water, at 4 degrees C has a density of 1,000 kilograms/cubic meter. That's 2,204 pounds/ cubic meter. Since there are 35.3 cubic feet in a cubic meter, that means a cubic meter of disturbed soil weighs 1765 pounds, or about 450 pounds less than a like amount of water.
Better measures of the ability of a substance to cause damage in an aircraft crash are viscosity (the ability of a substance to flow out of the way) and compressibility (the ability of a substance to be squeezed.) For all practical purposes water is incompressible. Soil is not. Water is viscous. Dry soil is much less so.

Originally posted by F4guy
Disturbed soil has an average density of about 50 pounds per cubic foot.

Damn you and your American units

For the SI among us:
0.8g/cm³ or 800kg/m³ for soil (possibly an underestimate)
1g/cm³ or 1000kg/m³ universal approximation for water (at < 4c actually)

Your numbers seem fine, but I'm not sure what point you're making here.

I find myself wondering if it was angels that she saw or something else, is she just taking that for what they were or did they look like people. What are the lights, I think a lot of the ET phenomena is actually a spirit. And it aint always on the good side of the spectrum. The way the Bible describes angels of God, is they were usually a terrible sight.

And that its more likely that there weren't any bodies on the plane at all.

This solidifies what I think the real nature of the entire event was.

Originally posted by plube
There is a possibility here that she is exceptionally clever,

The only way of preserving her life is to beat them at their own game....If she just came out and said there were no bodies....possibilities could be that she would have just signed her own death warrant...As in character being assassinated....or herself meeting an untimely death....So why not make out you have already gone off the deep end...that preventing a look in from the darkside...this way she gets the point across(how ever feebly) but because she is now considered insane.she gets let alone...she assassinates her own character and she still gets to say what she may have and may not have seen.

Just a possibility....It is pure conjecture on my part....nothing more...nothing less.

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They found (estimated) 8% of the human remains at the crash site of 93. 600 pounds of it.

"There were no bodies" is a misleading statement and purely coincidental.

"There were body parts" is accurate. She did not mention this, but she didn't have to.

Who knows what she saw. It's completely subjective. Nobody knows.

Originally posted by exponent

Originally posted by F4guy
Disturbed soil has an average density of about 50 pounds per cubic foot.

Damn you and your American units

For the SI among us:
0.8g/cm³ or 800kg/m³ for soil (possibly an underestimate)
1g/cm³ or 1000kg/m³ universal approximation for water (at < 4c actually)

Your numbers seem fine, but I'm not sure what point you're making here.

The point I was trying to make is that if you are making a statement in support of a thesis, it helps if the statement is factual. I was responding to the statement that soil is denser than water.
And you are absolutely correct about "American units v. metric or SI,. As a forensic scientist, I deal strictly in SI units or sometimes even CGSI, until I have to testify in court and then, in the US at least, I have to convert to pounds and inches and degrees farenheit. If I were to give the viscosity of water at 25C as being .0091 poise, all eyes would glaze over. Using pascal-seconds or dyne seconds might even be worse. I feel your pain.

I remember someone who witnessed poor people jumping out of the world trade centers,from the street level.
They said all they saw were cows landing on the street.
They did not see people but cows impacting the ground.
Does anyone remember that interview?

The human brain is an amazing machine,capable of substituting reality for other things in certain circumstances.

I do not discount the possibility of angels per se,but there could be other factors at work here I think.

I know nothing though,

angels, faeries, and other advanced spiritual beings exist, eff what you heard or what you believe in, they exist to me.

Originally posted by ManicDepresive1
Wans't there a movie about an alien race that would take the people out of doomed airliners just before they crashed?

Millenium

Originally posted by TsukiLunar
No wonder she is ex-FBI. Shes clearly insane.

I thought one had to pass an insanity qualifier in order to even be considered for the bureau.

Originally posted by Blueracer
She makes the claim that she saw "shimmery lights ", which apparently no one else saw and she is making the jump calling them angels. Not credible to me.

No one would know if they were all seeing the same and were afraid also to say anything which is silly in the extreme as they could have and should have been looking for the explanation, including dangerous vapor.

I don't know if anyone has this brought this up yet, but all the passengers and crew of Flight 93 were identified by DNA collected by a civilian DMORT team. 12 deceased were identified through dental and fingerprints.