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posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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I felt the need to start a new thread since a question is always ignored by those OS'rs who have made a career out of debunking everything 911

Why lie if there is nothing to hide?




From experience this evidence will be ignored by the OS apologists because they know 911 is built around lies and they can't explain this one away. It is obvious this guy lied and as the OS proponents are so quick to point out, if anything casts doubt it is all doubtful. That is why a disinfo campaign came into being, to cast doubt about explosives, character, any straw they can grasp basically.

A simple enough question I keep asking but never get the typical excuses because there is no excuse that can whitewash this liar.

Common sense is something they hate so here are a few more simple questions that they will also avoid.

A pancake collapse will snuff out a fire, its called smothering. A dust cloud of concrete doesn't burn and can't start residual fires. There are satellite thermal images of the heat at ground zero and if the fires are smothered during a "supposed" pancake collapse where does all this heat originate from that lasts for weeks if not months?

Where did the molten metal come from? Friction during the pancaking? Just think about the morality of saying victims were pancaked... they can do it without batting an eye because they have absolutely no moral fiber and all they are or can be is true to their nature. Pure evil POS and all they can do is make everything around them stink.

A pancake collapse doesn't explain tiny bone fragments still being found a decade later, but it does explain the mindset of evil. People are but a mere statistic and numbered fragments of what was once people doesn't outrage them because they have no moral conscience and neither do the pro's who defend them.

They beat the laws of man, the best courts and judges that money can buy and they even write the laws to protect themselves with.

But they will answer to a higher authority who knows all hearts and minds and by bearing false witness they are as guilty of mass murder as those who carried it all out. Guilt by collusion and they will spend eternity in hell to remember each and every victim on that day and every subsequent day that somebody somewhere is killed by them.

Greed and lies. This is what 21st century man has become in a world built around money and governed by the biggest gun. All for more riches that are nothing but an illusion of worth. See if you can buy your way out of hell... you sold yourself into it.

And that is the inconvenient truth of the fruit of 911.

/end of truth
edit on 3-7-2012 by anoncoholic because: (no reason given)




posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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I really wish you hand't typed "/end of truth". As fortuitous as it sounds, you didn't need to stop telling the truth just because you'd uncovered the flaws of the official 9/11 coverup. Keep spreading the truth! Never let it end!



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 01:17 PM
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Damn this radio host is brutal


I don't think the guy being interviewed was prepared for the way this interview progressed, he was silenced pretty often, he never expected to be interviewed by someone who doubts the OS.

Awesome interview !!



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 01:41 PM
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A pancake collapse will snuff out a fire, its called smothering.

Prove it. Prove that if a building collapses and someone uses the word "pancake" to describe the collapse then fire becomes impossible. What utter and complete nonsense.

If I used the word "tortilla" instead of "pancake" will the fires survive?



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 01:45 PM
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Have you ever seen Jessie Ventura being interviewed, then CROSS-interviewed by a representative trying helplessly to fend off the evidence that Jessie kept hurling at him? He literally left several minutes before his time was up. Jessie Ventura owned him.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 01:52 PM
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No i haven't but i would love to see it, any chance you have a link for me?

I loved how he handled his show, albeit a bit commercialized, but he has to make a living aswell ofc, like Alex Jones.

The guy who called into the show did a great job with his questions aswell by the way



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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That was fantastic to listen to! I dont personally believe the official story as i think there are too many holes in it but DAMN I felt embarrassed for that Colburn guy.

He is the supposed research editor for "Popular Mechanics" and lets be honest he got owned by the host, I lost count of how many uncomfortable silences there were. Better do some more researching there dude


S&F op great vid



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by hooper
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A pancake collapse will snuff out a fire, its called smothering.

Prove it. Prove that if a building collapses and someone uses the word "pancake" to describe the collapse then fire becomes impossible. What utter and complete nonsense.

If I used the word "tortilla" instead of "pancake" will the fires survive?


no the fire would still be snuffed out. However, you have shown your true colors here for only a demon would come up with an analogy that equates people as mince meat.

You choose to play a game of semantics rather than address the issue which while in itself is revealing is not altogether unexpected for like I stated in the OP the evidence has to be ignored otherwise it draws more attention to it.

You are but a mere skid mark on the devils underwear and your stench while self evident serves its purpose.

You bore witness against yourself

Nightmare much? Devil eating your toes for having that one foot in hell?

Don't let me keep you from your exclusion as I won't entertain your thoughts hereafter.

To the others here who have listened to the truth and commented, ...

I never give up on truth, but I do stop when I recognize futility.

That interview was brutal, and you gotta love Charles for his sharp wits in catching the liar.

What would have been funny if this wasn't so deadly serious is how Coburn started stammering like a kid and even stated "Any five year old can ask why" (I think I recall him saying five, been awhile since I listened to this clip) and then tried to back-peddle on his own words.

Well OS'rs I am far from five and I already know why you all choose to ignore this thread and probably even flood the front page with more of your lies as you are easy to recognize in your historical actions and as such I am going to ask a different question.

How do you live with yourselves? It must take a truly dead heart to not even feel for the millions who have been murdered by the entity you all so cherish and protect.

Take a look in the mirror, if you can even face yourselves.

Mods you can delete this post as I said what I had to say and would say it again. I understand the T&C's and am getting personal but I do it because I do take it personally.

They all lie for greed. Every last rotten cold blooded soulless one of them

You can take us all out but it will never change the truth.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 06:04 PM
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A pancake collapse will snuff out a fire, its called smothering. A dust cloud of concrete doesn't burn and can't start residual fires. There are satellite thermal images of the heat at ground zero and if the fires are smothered during a "supposed" pancake collapse where does all this heat originate from that lasts for weeks if not months?


Wow - have to remember that next type a building a collapses during a fire and I spend all night pouring water on
the burning rubble .....

As for dust cloud, mixed in are burning pieces of debris and sparks/embers which travel for considerable
distance they care capable of igniting fires, which is why fire departments at major fires will form a
"brand patrol" to rove around the fire looking for any fires which might be started by flying embers

Seen embers from a empty burning department store which collapsed, burying a fireman, set another
building 1 1/2 blocks away on fire


The heat comes from the debris continuing to burn - there was 220 stories full of combustibles. Plenty of voids
as the debris pile was never tight enough to exclude air from reaching deep down

Clear have no idea what you are talking about, simply parroting conspiracy crap



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by anoncoholic
 



A pancake collapse will snuff out a fire, its called smothering. A dust cloud of concrete doesn't burn and can't start residual fires. There are satellite thermal images of the heat at ground zero and if the fires are smothered during a "supposed" pancake collapse where does all this heat originate from that lasts for weeks if not months?


Wow - have to remember that next type a building a collapses during a fire and I spend all night pouring water on
the burning rubble .....

As for dust cloud, mixed in are burning pieces of debris and sparks/embers which travel for considerable
distance they care capable of igniting fires, which is why fire departments at major fires will form a
"brand patrol" to rove around the fire looking for any fires which might be started by flying embers

Seen embers from a empty burning department store which collapsed, burying a fireman, set another
building 1 1/2 blocks away on fire


The heat comes from the debris continuing to burn - there was 220 stories full of combustibles. Plenty of voids
as the debris pile was never tight enough to exclude air from reaching deep down

Clear have no idea what you are talking about, simply parroting conspiracy crap


Are you dyslexic or just don't proof before you post your disjointed thoughts?

Parroting? I speak from me alone.

You consider normal fires equate with the tower collapses on 911? Troll for something with better bait.

You still failed to answer the question in issue for this thread, why the need to lie if there was nothing to hide?

You guys can cherry-pick comments all day long but the truth is I included them to prove my point that NONE of you will address the most damaging information but instead try to pick apart either the messenger or the weakest argument that you think you can win.

Surprise, you been made



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by anoncoholic

Why lie if there is nothing to hide?




How else can anybody explain what happened to WTC 7 without admitting that it had explosives in it? This Colburn clown is a classic example of how they make fools of themselves trying to convince people that the OS is true.

I remember when i first heard this interview and let one of my friends listen to it... He couldn't stop laughing, and he wasn't even interested in 9/11 conspiracy theories before that.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by Romekje
reply to post by anoncoholic
 


Damn this radio host is brutal


I don't think the guy being interviewed was prepared for the way this interview progressed, he was silenced pretty often, he never expected to be interviewed by someone who doubts the OS.

Awesome interview !!


I don't think he was brutal at all, he only asked the obvious questions. Personally I think he went easy on him.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by anoncoholic
I felt the need to start a new thread since a question is always ignored by those OS'rs who have made a career out of debunking everything 911

Or maybe you were just bored. Whatever.-


Originally posted by anoncoholic
Why lie if there is nothing to hide?




Good question. Unfortunately, your 20 minute vid just contains an idiot talk-show blabbermouth badgering his guest and pretty much ignoring every answer that he doesn't like. There's no evidence in there that his guest- or anybody else was lying.


Originally posted by anoncoholic
...It is obvious this guy lied...


But you can't bother to point out the specific lie or lies he told??


Originally posted by anoncoholic
A simple enough question I keep asking but never get the typical excuses because there is no excuse that can whitewash this liar.

Excuse for what? What lies?


Originally posted by anoncoholic
A pancake collapse will snuff out a fire, its called smothering. A dust cloud of concrete doesn't burn and can't start residual fires. There are satellite thermal images of the heat at ground zero and if the fires are smothered during a "supposed" pancake collapse where does all this heat originate from that lasts for weeks if not months?

You claim that a pancake collapse will snuff out a fire. Normally, some evidence is required to back up claims like that. You didn't provide any. Probably this is just a case of someone making up facts to suit themselves.


Originally posted by anoncoholic
Where did the molten metal come from? Friction during the pancaking?


I haven't seen a lot of evidence for molten metal, but there were fires in the rubble that could've melted aluminum, IIRC. Pretty sure it wasn't due to friction, but I suppose that's a possibility.


Originally posted by anoncoholic
... they have absolutely no moral fiber and all they are or can be is true to their nature. Pure evil POS and all they can do is make everything around them stink.


Maybe that's your upper lip. Seriously, though, you should cool it with the insults. It doesn't foster a good environment for discussion when you're calling people (not me, of course), "Pure evil POS"


Originally posted by anoncoholic
A pancake collapse doesn't explain tiny bone fragments still being found a decade later, but it does explain the mindset of evil. People are but a mere statistic and numbered fragments of what was once people doesn't outrage them because they have no moral conscience and neither do the pro's who defend them.


Really?


Originally posted by anoncoholic
But they will answer to a higher authority who knows all hearts and minds and by bearing false witness they are as guilty of mass murder as those who carried it all out. Guilt by collusion and they will spend eternity in hell to remember each and every victim on that day and every subsequent day that somebody somewhere is killed by them.


You decide who goes to heaven or hell? Probably going to be a lonely place....


Originally posted by anoncoholic
...And that is the inconvenient truth of the fruit of 911.


...or something.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 08:57 PM
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nice try. Your lies are self evident and your bias is as plain as your tactic of calling a talk show host a blabbermouth. Funny, was it Charles who wrote the book "debunking 911 myths"? Was it Charles who made the comment that the 19 hijackers were identified by the remains "found all over the place" and got caught when he replied that it was DNA evidence to which Charles asked where they got a comparison to match it to? (and I might add that thousands of bone fragments to this day are still unidentified and not all victims had been identified but magically all 19 were?)

Your cheap shots at both myself and Charles indicate an agenda since you entirely misrepresent the interview and instead of explaining it you try to dismiss it.

Truth never goes away but the lies from trolls keep coming.

I suppose you don't believe in foreknowledge of 911 either?

ISBN 1-56171-269-8

I suppose you don't believe in explosions on 911 either... have a listen as it sounded 9 seconds away from the shores of Hoboken

Google Video Link


I suppose it all is just a concidence that money movement was evidence of a crime that day as well

meh, reconcile your lies within your own spirit. God got your number... or does He have you numbered?

you trolls really do grasp at straws don't you. Attack the messenger, the radio show host who caught his guest lying, deny all the evidence and claim it is edited when there is a radio station playing in the background time stamping it as authentic and pristine, and even deny you can hear with your own ears the explosions.

What are you going to say on that day when you will view all your lies you ever told and particularly with these lies here, bearing false witness against humanity. You have no regard for justice nor compassion for the victims or their surviving family members of victims but are only concerned with yourself and probably a paycheck to sell your soul.

Not much I would say... you have no defense and the only offense you have is more lies and slander.
Go back to sleep... your nightmare has yet to begin.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 09:05 PM
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He went a lot easier on him than I would have. It was brutal in the sense that Coburn got toasted ... none of the lairs can withstand interrogation and scrutiny of the evidence which is why they try to sway the court of public opinion with lie after lie just hoping the issue would go away.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by anoncoholic
nice try. Your lies are self evident and your bias is as plain as your tactic of calling a talk show host a blabbermouth.


He is a blabbermouth... dude interrupted and badgered his guest for 20 minutes. Pure idiocy.


Originally posted by anoncoholic
Funny, was it Charles who wrote the book "debunking 911 myths"? Was it Charles who made the comment that the 19 hijackers were identified by the remains "found all over the place" and got caught when he replied that it was DNA evidence to which Charles asked where they got a comparison to match it to?


The guy said straight off that he didn't know where the FBI got the DNA samples. A cursory 5 minute google search reveals that the FBI got dna samples from hotel rooms and cars that the highjackers had rented shortly before the attacks. Happy now?

Just because the guy didn't know one particular fact (and admitted he didn't) know doesn't make him a liar. It just makes that disk jockey a moron for badgering him for five minutes afterward.


Originally posted by anoncoholic(and I might add that thousands of bone fragments to this day are still unidentified and not all victims had been identified but magically all 19 were?)

Nope. Not all the highjackers remains were identified by DNA... Not all of the bone fragments are going to be identified... tremendous resources have been dedicated to this, but there are limits.


Originally posted by anoncoholic
Your cheap shots at both myself and Charles indicate an agenda since you entirely misrepresent the interview and instead of explaining it you try to dismiss it.


Cheap shots? You just called hooper a "skid mark on the devil's underwear". You don't get to cry foul.


Originally posted by anoncoholic
Truth never goes away but the lies from trolls keep coming.


Right, I'm the troll in this thread, not the guy condemning people to hell and comparing people to feces.


Originally posted by anoncoholic

Google Video Link


I suppose it all is just a concidence that money movement was evidence of a crime that day as well


Blah blah blah... I'm not going to let you change the subject.


Originally posted by anoncoholic
...you trolls really do grasp at straws don't you. Attack the messenger, the radio show host who caught his guest lying,


No, he didn't.


Originally posted by anoncoholic
deny all the evidence and claim it is edited when there is a radio station playing in the background time stamping it as authentic and pristine, and even deny you can hear with your own ears the explosions.


That has nothing to do with anything I've said in this thread.


Originally posted by anoncoholic
What are you going to say on that day when you will view all your lies you ever told and particularly with these lies here, bearing false witness against humanity. You have no regard for justice nor compassion for the victims or their surviving family members of victims but are only concerned with yourself and probably a paycheck to sell your soul.

Why should I have to say anything at all... I've never lied on this board. Accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being a paid liar isn't very persuasive. Do you even believe that?


Originally posted by anoncoholic
... your nightmare has yet to begin.


What are you going to say on judgement day when the lord asks why you called innocent people "pure evil POS" and "skidmark on the devil's underwear." He doesn't take kindly to that kind of thing. He might even send you to the lake of fire. Maybe you'll get lucky and have a spot next to Alex Jones and your buddy Charles.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by anoncoholic
You consider normal fires equate with the tower collapses on 911? Troll for something with better bait.


Fire is fire, unless I've missed something somewhere. 9/11 was on a much larger scale, but the fire should still maintain its burny properties that it has everywhere else. When a campfire is "snuffed out" by impact, there are still embers, and if a combustible comes in contact with the embers while there is even a little bit of oxygen, it will ignite said combustible.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer
He is a blabbermouth... dude interrupted and badgered his guest for 20 minutes. Pure idiocy.

first five minutes it was all OS'r spouting off about his credentials . He got caught lying. Who was the idiot?



The guy said straight off that he didn't know where the FBI got the DNA samples. A cursory 5 minute google search reveals that the FBI got dna samples from hotel rooms and cars that the highjackers had rented shortly before the attacks. Happy now?
Just because the guy didn't know one particular fact (and admitted he didn't) know doesn't make him a liar. It just makes that disk jockey a moron for badgering him for five minutes afterward.


No, He said straight off all the 19 hijackers were identified by DNA evidence found all over the place. When asked he then said he didn't know. Coming from a person who said they thoroughly investigated the 19 it didn't strike you as strange that first some of the alleged were reported as still being alive... DNA from which victim identified them?

Nope. Not all the highjackers remains were identified by DNA... Not all of the bone fragments are going to be identified... tremendous resources have been dedicated to this, but there are limits .


"How did you verify that information was false?"

Coburn: "The remains of the hijackers..." when asked about the BBC report about the alleged hijackers that were reported as still being alive. Absolutely one of the things they looked into, he assured us





Right, I'm the troll in this thread, not the guy condemning people to hell and comparing people to feces.



I am neither judge no executioner. I am a witness for the prosecution. I call it like I see it and if his shoes are your shoes then you share his fate... for all I know you and he are the same person anyway.





Blah blah blah... I'm not going to let you change the subject.



I wasn't changing anything. All truth is inconvenient. blah blah blah? Funny I keep hearing these kind of condescending remarks from you apologists who can only find excuses but never have factual evidence to stand your "opinions" on and yet you all shoot your mouths off at everybody questioning like you got empirical truth but never offer any of it. What makes you all so sure of yourself? It isn't the evidence because the evidence states otherwise.

and coming from one who blames it all on a rabbit why am I even wasting time on you?

You trolls need to look at things with logic, a "truther" has nothing to gain but everything to lose, life, career, future... you guys risk nothing, lose nothing (probably get rewards for how many posts you debunk) and never say anything other than absolute denial of evidence. Show us proof the building pancaked... not a supposed truth but actual evidence of layers of floors stacked upon each other. Oh wait, the crime scene had all the evidence removed didn't it?




No, he didn't.



And you know he didn't how exactly? By knowing him? You didn't listen to the interview obviously because he not only lied, he even acted like he lied after lying. Just because your clique keeps saying no and blah and prove it doesn't give you veracity. What it does give you is a conviction in a court and I don't mean a judicial or public opinion, I mean a judgment day and you and all the rest of these murderers will be keeping each other company. Yes, Heaven might be a lonelier place, but it will be an honest place.




What are you going to say on judgement day when the lord asks why you called innocent people "pure evil POS" and "skidmark on the devil's underwear." He doesn't take kindly to that kind of thing. He might even send you to the lake of fire. Maybe you'll get lucky and have a spot next to Alex Jones and your buddy Charles.


Innocent? Are you really so callous of heart that you too could analogize the victims memory as mince meat in a tortilla?

He lied, you lie, they lied. We have to try to unravel it all to discern truth and you and your kind only blow smoke up our asses and try to do anything and everything from keeping the truth from coming out.

I am fairly confident in my predicting how you he and they will end.

Its a thing called ethics and integrity that you and the crowd you represent are void of. Funny that, you can't even view the evidence and dismiss it as blah blah blah.

You are all hovering on these forums just waiting for a 911 thread to appear so you can dismiss it before it catches on as a possible logical conclusion but here again you all never admit anything other than claiming you got all the answers. At the least we are making you earn your pay and anyone can view your post histories and see for themselves that you all have your own venues and stick to them. Your history is revealing where you come from.

My observation is telling you where you are going to.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by Varemia

Originally posted by anoncoholic
You consider normal fires equate with the tower collapses on 911? Troll for something with better bait.


Fire is fire, unless I've missed something somewhere. 9/11 was on a much larger scale, but the fire should still maintain its burny properties that it has everywhere else. When a campfire is "snuffed out" by impact, there are still embers, and if a combustible comes in contact with the embers while there is even a little bit of oxygen, it will ignite said combustible.


You are sure of that correct?

The difference between a camp fire and 911 is that a camp fire has more fuel directly beneath it (the ground) while 911 had concrete/steel beneath the fire.

Since you guys got all the answers and know exactly what happened, tell us, was it the ceiling that fell down or the floor that fell down first?

If you want you can try this little experiment, get two pieces of wood that are identical in size. Pour fuel on the face of one and light it, slap the other one down on top of it sandwiching the fire. Do you really think the towers were still burning when everything came down so fast and the dust was so think people couldn't even breathe yet this magical fire not only survived but managed to leave molten globs that took a month or more to cool down?

You guys are not presenting a very convincing argument, just arguing with nothing for evidence to support your attacks on character and sites, and evidence, yet I am asking again, what in hell makes you so certain you got it right?

A paycheck is the only logical conclusion



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by anoncoholic
attacks on character


Like these ones?


they have absolutely no moral fiber

Pure evil POS and all they can do is make everything around them stink.

the mindset of evil

they have no moral conscience and neither do the pro's who defend them.

A paycheck is the only logical conclusion









 
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