The Masculine Image

First off, someone needs to adjust the HTML so you can hit enter and the page will not automatically submit. REFINE! REFINE!

Anyway, who else here hates the stereotypes that are forced on the impressionable young men and women of this culture, the sorts of stereotypes that mold how they think and act, because god forbid, we break away from sexist tradition!

Men do not cry, men are stronger than women, if you fall get up or by God your dad will break you, you don't need to wash up dirt is healthy for a growing man, and for the love of God GET INTO SPORTS!!!

Women: wear dresses, do not expose flesh, save makeup for when you can legally move out, all of your boyfriends will be treated like they came with a preonstalled felony background, and cheerleading is a must if you want to be popular. Oh, and if you don't sleep with half the guys in school, you're not well enough liked. And if there is a girl who is different, hell yes, pick on her!

I'm tired of this stuff. Mankind, grow up or die off. Why spend so much time trying to survive if you're only going to shoot each other? What a waste of time. And all of these ideals I just listed: live and active in America. Welcome to modern sexism, people. Please turn off the flash on your cameras and enjoy the ride!

/rant.

I don't think anything will ever change. Women love men that are masculine and men love women who are feminine. That's the way it always has been, that's the way it always will be.

If you're confident in yourself what does it matter what some eejits think?

Most "masculine" traits are indistinguishable from stereotypically feminine traits. Most "masculine" men I know are more concerned about their image and the designer tags on their clothing than any woman that I know of. They bitch about people behind their back just as women are stereotyped as doing, they're easily offended and have thin skin just as they stereotype women as being. It's very difficult to distinguish a stereotypical female from a stereotypical man, they are both commercialist culture whores without capacity to think for themselves or stand apart from the crowd.

Many "masculine men"(and most aren't lets be honest) are so scared of being themselves, they're afraid of how others will view them if they have viewpoint y, or characteristic x, and so they put up a false image and lie to themselves. Even the most petty of things are denied because they're worried about what others think of them. I know people who pretend they don't like certain drinks or foods because it's "gay" or "female".

Now some men are stereotypically more masculine than others, naturally. Some men really do happen to believe and act in certain ways that are masculine, but for most it's a shambolic act that comes about on the back of peer pressure. These people aren't real men, they're insecure fairies who worry about what the next man thinks of them.

What's really masculine about being scared of being a certain person because you think your friends or society will think of you as being less masculine, is that what masculinity is, taking orders from other people, being too much of a sissy to be yourself? That's masculinity is it? I don't think it is.

We have the same thing in England with "lads", "lad culture", etc, and they're all gayer than a bag of skittles.

I hear Chuck Liddell started painting his toes so that "masculine" men would have words with him on the street and he'd have an excuse to flatten them

Wow man, you sure are all over the place with this one - I thought this was gonna be a rant about how lots of the male Gen-Y'ers are a bit soft and whiny!

And as far as your rant on the ladies ---- they come in all shapes and sizes and are a beautiful, beautiful gift.

If they only wear dresses (pref. w/Doc Martens), how would we be able to tell if they're callipygous enough to our liking?

reply to post by UnaChispa


Women in my country like men with big muscles and no brains.

Men like women with big chests and no taste.

reply to post by the_philth


I support the melding of male characteristics with female characteristics. Balance is a very good thing.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by UnaChispa

 

Women in my country like men with big muscles and no brains.

Men like women with big chests and no taste.

That has nothing to do with image, that's science, that's evolution.

Women like men who are well built, men like women who are well built - shock horror!

If a man doesn't appreciate the female form, and a female a man, then there is something not right.

I seem to have misunderstood your argument in my first response.

Perhaps you are asexual?

I completely and totally agree with the op. People always seem to have a freakin comment about me. i am who o am and i do not give a flying northbound rats south end what anyone thinks about me at all.

I enjoy women being women
I am a man, and enjoy being a man.

You can do what you want.
A woman with no care for showing her feminine qualities does not attract me, Women whom are attracted to me understand my general hunter/gatherer disposition.

I can get frogs in my throat during emotional times or movies with no concern about my masculenity...might even wipe away a tear and flat out say that makes me highly sad/happy/etc. Emotional states effect all, and only drones pretend not to have them...but being in control of your body reactions is a masculine trait..

If I sit and watch some emotional movie, the super happy part (the hero comes back from near death and gets the girl or whatever..put in your happy/sad moment here)..me smiling and wiping a forming tear from the side of my eye shows profound emotion, and is a turn on to women...now, me balling like a baby makes me look like an emotional wreck.

Why does this matter?
I think men have rage in them..well, a host of emotions, but we -are- physically stronger than women..and if I cannot control myself during a happy or sad scene, then biologically a woman may see that as uncontrollable anger if we get into a fight..aka, will hit them. This is all speculation of course.

On the other hand, a woman whom controls her emotions too much may come across as indifferent and may not provide the proper attention children would need to grow under her care. Men need to see that tear on their face to know they have connection, emotion, and feelings that rule them in matters of personal nature.

As far as fashion sense. That is simply cultural (much easier to ride a horse in trousers than a dress or robe, men rode off into battle. It simply stuck and defines our cultural views to date.)

reply to post by JailTales

If a man doesn't appreciate the female form, and a female a man, then there is something not right.

...ah! Can we please not go down that road, it will cause an issue. Attraction comes down to the individual's disposition...and the effect is naturally quite varied, just as it is seen in nature.

Originally posted by Brad-H
reply to post by JailTales

 

If a man doesn't appreciate the female form, and a female a man, then there is something not right.

...ah! Can we please not go down that road, it will cause an issue. Attraction comes down to the individual's disposition...and the effect is naturally quite varied, just as it is seen in nature.

Oh okay, so generally men aren't attracted to stereotypically female forms and vice versa?

There is nothing wrong or nothing unusual or wrong with men and women being attracted to the opposite male and female form. If you find that concept wrong, or enraging, then perhaps sexually you're not all there. It's one thing to have preference or to value brains over body, it's another to make out like there is something backwards and odd for men to like the female form

Originally posted by UnaChispa
I don't think anything will ever change. Women love men that are masculine and men love women who are feminine. That's the way it always has been, that's the way it always will be.

I don't think its as black and white as that.

There are all sorts in both genders, and masculinity is a matter of opinion. What some women see as masculine others may see as egotistical and brutish.

I also think men can have qualities that could be defined as both, as well as women.

There are also many men who don't care for "high maintenance" women who spend tons of time on hair, makeup, and ridiculous amounts of money on fashion and accessories, who by societies standards are considered feminine.

Originally posted by JailTales

Originally posted by Brad-H
reply to post by JailTales

 

If a man doesn't appreciate the female form, and a female a man, then there is something not right.

...ah! Can we please not go down that road, it will cause an issue. Attraction comes down to the individual's disposition...and the effect is naturally quite varied, just as it is seen in nature.

Oh okay, so generally men aren't attracted to stereotypically female forms and vice versa?

There is nothing wrong or nothing unusual or wrong with men and women being attracted to the opposite male and female form. If you find that concept wrong, or enraging, then perhaps sexually you're not all there. It's one thing to have preference or to value brains over body, it's another to make out like there is something backwards and odd for men to like the female form

edit on 3-7-2012 by JailTales because: (no reason given)

I think he was simply saying people are attracted to many things..you gave a very basic...men like women and women like men.
Well, what about gay people?
Also, a woman may be attracted initially to some typical conan looking guy, but give a few days exposed to conan meathead and joe average with a brilliant mind and watch how quickly her entire view changes...suddenly she will see only flaws in conan and endless great features of the average chap with the fantastic brain.

The first person someone whom knows how to attract women will tell you is to work on your charisma..and that means strengthening your brain and self control. that can get you more dates than a 6 pack with no game.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Also, a woman may be attracted initially to some typical conan looking guy, but give a few days exposed to conan meathead and joe average with a brilliant mind and watch how quickly her entire view changes...suddenly she will see only flaws in conan and endless great features of the average chap with the fantastic brain.

Or she will stay with conan, even though he beats her, and tell her friends and family that "he really does love me, he just has an odd way of showing it"

I think you overestimate women.... "good" guys rarely do good with women, and then the women bitch about "where are all the good guys" They are all over, and single, go find one! You'll actually have to do the work though, because odds are after being turned down so much they don't waste their time chasing girls.

I say this as a non-good guy. I stopped being a good guy once I realized it's not conducive to getting laid. Just like "people get the government they deserve" women get the men they deserve. Women's attitude has trained men to act in ways everyone calls bad or unacceptable, yet oddly enough those bad or unacceptable men are pretty damn acceptable to a lot of women.

Carry on...

Originally posted by James1982

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Also, a woman may be attracted initially to some typical conan looking guy, but give a few days exposed to conan meathead and joe average with a brilliant mind and watch how quickly her entire view changes...suddenly she will see only flaws in conan and endless great features of the average chap with the fantastic brain.

Or she will stay with conan, even though he beats her, and tell her friends and family that "he really does love me, he just has an odd way of showing it"

I think you overestimate women.... "good" guys rarely do good with women, and then the women bitch about "where are all the good guys" They are all over, and single, go find one! You'll actually have to do the work though, because odds are after being turned down so much they don't waste their time chasing girls.

I say this as a non-good guy. I stopped being a good guy once I realized it's not conducive to getting laid. Just like "people get the government they deserve" women get the men they deserve. Women's attitude has trained men to act in ways everyone calls bad or unacceptable, yet oddly enough those bad or unacceptable men are pretty damn acceptable to a lot of women.

Carry on...

Who said anything about being good, or bad? I said charisma..brains...to dominate a womans mind is far more powerful and substantial than to dominate her physically. Once women grow tired of thugs, they go for men (yes, boys and goodies will fail). A woman wants a sense of mystery, danger, and someone to share some parts with...they hate (eventually) smothering..and either the really good guy whom won't stop being some weak leach, or a thug whom smothers in a different way, they both will fail in the long haul.

You say women trained you to be how you are.

I don't allow women to train me. I am who I am and they can like it or leave.

I have no issues, and I can look in the mirror, knowing what is in front of me is of no other influence but my own choosing. You might consider removing such power from others over you to be good or bad and just be you.

Dom 101

reply to post by SaturnFX


It was kind of a tongue-in-cheek post pointing out that women like to be treated like dirt. They never admit it, but their actions speak louder than words, and their actions consist of constantly hooking up with a-holes. So when I feel like hooking up I just act like an a-hole, it's worked out pretty good for me.

I wasn't trying to say I've been "trained" in the typical sense of the word. I am who I am, and that's not going to change. But if I'm trying to hook up with some girl, if I go into a-hole mode it works more often than not.

I'm sure most people have some female friends that are constantly dating guys they seem to hate, always complaining about them and doing the whole "where are all the nice guys at" routine. I'm just making fun of that whole scenario because it seems many women can't be honest about what type of men they are attracted to. They say they want nice caring guys, but never get together with them. I'm definitely not the only guy to figure this out, I think most men have. It almost makes me feel bad about being such a richard to girls sometimes, but hey, like I said it works.

Aw seriously, I thought this thread was about masculine images, and I thought yeah, let's rant about them.
Bummer!

Here's one anyway for someone who makes the same mistake.