The Higgs Boson... yes, .... and what...?

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posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 08:52 PM
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I believe I read the Higgs Boson has mass as well.
That would mean the Higgs Boson also interacts with the Higgs Field.




posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 08:53 PM
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reply to post by dxdydz
 


An electron exists, has energy and has zero mass. and it is preciselly that which is the Higgs-Bosun.
the field is created when ,Higgs reacts to this time/space perspective.
we the see the field created.
in my opinion.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 09:02 PM
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The electron has many other properties other than mass that the Higgs isn't theorized to create. Like spin, charge, the electron itself!



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 09:06 PM
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but it gives each unit,,purpose!
ok,,
maybe its just, too simple.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 09:11 PM
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reply to post by BobAthome
 


Granted without the Higgs we wouldn't have the universe as we know it.
But if we didn't have the electron we wouldn't either.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 09:14 PM
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But if we didn't have the electron we wouldn't either.
actually we would have a galaxy,,,just no internet

its just so cool,, like being alive during Einstien E= yaa ,that important,,in my opinion.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by PurpleChiten
so.... it's the "dreams" that "stuff" is made of....


Ya ya ! Or how bout this one Chick ?

It's what ever it wants you to be !
edit on 3-7-2012 by randyvs because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 09:24 PM
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I have no idea what the universe would look like if all particles were massless and moved at the speed of light.
It's something to ponder.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 09:28 PM
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what u never seen star trech???,,u know ,,damit scotty, she's breaking up!
but im only a doctor ,jim,,scotties on the other line

ohh.
warp speed sulu!

this is Scotty on line one,,,she's breaking up Jim!!!



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 09:36 PM
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Let me see if I can clarify this a bit. So since the most of the physics community does not have a particle accelerator, they approach the subject differently.

So if you examine the normal modes on the right side of wiki phonon here

on the right, those dots on the line show how mass is shared between atoms in a lattice. The atoms are touching so some mass as the atoms vibrate is transfered through the material.

The Higgs Bosun is supposed to be the mass carrying particle.

Now the drag, which they refer to, might be akin to what we think of as tensile strength. Tensile strength of the skin lets say of an atom. It pulses in and out but not so fast that it is instantaneous. Something regulates its periodicity.

I could probably just talk and talk about it like everyone else since it is the leading edge right now.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 09:57 PM
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Now you might not understand how interesting this is unless you really take a close look at normal modes in a crystal lattice.
en.wikipedia.org...

So looking on the right side the top one, the mass cancels out, it is just bouncing off each other they are directly impacting each other equally.

Next one, unequally pushing each other around a bit.

next, passing it along...
next, swashing back and forth,
next, is kind of like traffic flow, in a sense
and the last is the coolest, that is expansion in and out.

And you see mass move like that even in crowds on the macro level.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 10:18 PM
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Oh yeah, one more thing, for peer review of confirmation that they found it, it should agree with phonons only on a smaller level.
We can see how mass moves in a crowd as a for instance and so we have the normal modes that match in a crystal lattice on a much smaller level.

Now if it is relative when you step down to a particle level, then thats 3 levels of confirmation that you have a trend.

Now if that could be projected into the dimensions we cannot directly deal with, like the quantum foam, Plank Length, then we could use that to learn more about the basic fundamental level in our world. By association with what we know and what other experiments show about its properties.

Now on the first two levels we are dealing with normal modes. But smack that at almost light speed with a freight train, and you might have to examine a lot of data to find those same reactions. And also you are looking at one point of impact.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 10:29 PM
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If it takes a snapshot (figuratively speaking), at the point where it hits the target, then you should see reflected normal modes now accelerated by impact. SO then if you find that, you know that on the particle level, the particles are in normal modes, in the target.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 10:44 PM
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So go one step deeper into the data if you are looking for energy levels, and then you just have to match up the energy at the impact with the energy of the particle in the detector to see if it was in a normal mode.

And then you need to match up as many of those and you can to see if all the normal modes are present and if there is a pattern which there should be, that matches the substance. (Thank heaven for computers).

So then from where I sit, that would mean again that there is confirmation of particulate matter, since chances are you will find those modes if you hit a nucleus, so you have macro (crowd) micro (substance which is electron radius and covalent bonding then the next is the surface of the atom, the nucleus, and if it has a skin, by gar we will find it.)



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by Rocketman7
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So then from where I sit, that would mean again that there is confirmation of particulate matter, since chances are you will find those modes if you hit a nucleus, so you have macro (crowd) micro (substance which is electron radius and covalent bonding then the next is the surface of the atom, the nucleus, and if it has a skin, by gar we will find it.)


You see if we can show that the nucleus is vibrating in a normal mode, then you have 3 levels of depth in a series and so then it would seem logical to project that to the next level Plank Length. And maybe even consider a quantum foam bubble as existing in normal modes.
All modes would be combinations of normal modes.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 11:08 PM
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Are you having a stroke?

Should go have a nap, methinks...



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 11:14 PM
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Stimulated Brillouin scattering

For intense beams (e.g. laser light) travelling in a medium such as an optical fiber, the variations in the electric field of the beam itself may produce acoustic vibrations in the medium via electrostriction. The beam may undergo Brillouin scattering from these vibrations, usually in opposite direction to the incoming beam, a phenomenon known as stimulated Brillouin scattering (SBS). For liquids and gases, typical frequency shifts are of the order of 1–10 GHz (wavelength shifts of ~1–10 pm for visible light). Stimulated Brillouin scattering is one effect by which optical phase conjugation can take place.


en.wikipedia.org...

So we don't have particle accelerators usually but people have lasers.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 11:41 PM
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So if Brillouin scattering is the pattern which shows that the object is in a normal mode, and I mean object because it depends on what you hit, and how hard, and if it is just a reflection as you go by, acoustic resonance as an example, well then that should be in the data and of course it would be, but greatly accelerated, and the Doppler effect visible etc.

Now so much work has been done with lasers that people know a lot about it but not at the same level of energy.
So when you finally want to really find out if you can hit an actual physical Higgs Boson, you might be hitting an eternal liquid.
A superconducting superfluid, that somehow came to be in the void, and which also somehow under the pressure of the pure vacuum of space, expanded like a sponge or soapy water in a bell jar, or like a loaf of raisin bread on the largest of scales. So you see thats 4, levels of confirmation if you consider universal size level objects. 5 levels would be considered fact of the matter. It would be considered the way things are.
And that fifth level is well maybe attainable by CERN.

So the tensile strength of those bubbles has been measured as that last bit of momentum when you drain the energy out of Bose Einstein condensate. Its a relational formula of course. AT almost absolute zero, and zero is the ground state.
We want to know about normal modes so the scattering is probably what they are looking for to see just how small a reflection they can find of Brillouin scattering. And if it quacks like a duck when they find it, well it might be a duck.
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posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 12:05 AM
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If the target is aluminum, and often it is, then the tensile strength of the aluminum will also be in the data.

en.wikipedia.org...

However, that is the covalent bond strength, which determines its tensile strength since we are talking here about atoms in a substance. On that level.
But what we are interested in is the next level down and further, which is the nuclear force, and what usually people refer to in the past as matter anti-matter level of forces.

So that whole subject of matter anti-matter comes into the fray on the smallest level. And that is where people ask questions like (of course) could we make an even bigger bomb?


And basically I ah don't know. It is of course feasible but we don't know what the pressures are necessary to squish a single quantum foam bubble flat, that is stuck between expansion, the pressure of the expansion of the universe, vs its tensile strength, the actual strength of the very eternal fluid of absolute space-time.

To overcome that and squish one of those bubbles flat will it explode cause an explosion and the answer we know is yes. It causes a black hole for a short period of time. You probably already read about that in the news a while back.

But its not feasible to turn this energy into a weapon like a bomb because the level of energy you need to do enough squishing is a exploding supermassive black hole. And we can see those in space and areas which look like the quantum foam has been squished flat and what might be a pure vacuum of sorts exists. Or may exist.I mean there is reason to believe that matter anti-matter sized explosions can occur.
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posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 12:24 AM
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Ok so if you want some real good sensationalist copy, then it might be CERN rips hole through space-time.

Or Tear in the Fabric of Space, at CERN.

If you understand space-time now, like we do, we know pretty much what to expect and how safe everything is because it is predictable and we know what will happen at certain levels. So you see we can joke around about it even, even if it does give the general public cause for concern, since the physics is consistent and we have scale with which to compare effects.

A supernova is a big explosion, and a Bosenova, is the smallest supernova we know if and we can create those.

There was a time when we didn't know if a Bosenova would have a different factor of energy but it does.
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