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Real ID & that Little Gold Star on Your Driver’s License

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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 01:59 AM
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Originally posted by Bedlam

Originally posted by SimonPeter
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So the RFID chip reflects an inductance change on the interrogator coil which is read by the interrogator as a variation in the load . So it would be hard to track the chip or to read it from any distance . Supposedly the princein England and our troops have tracking chips implanted . How would that work?


I think the key word here is "supposedly".

None of the passive methods would work for "tracking" in the sense of something you can do at a distance.

Any active method would require something quite large physically, on the order of something like a pacemaker, and even then you'd have to recharge yourself periodically. You aren't a very good container for an active radio emitter, as you're a bag of conductive electrolytes. It tends to cause impedance mismatches and it's very dissipative.


I remember reading about pets being microchipped. And some have even considered chipping their small children. I wonder if they use another kind of tech for that.




posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 02:02 AM
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I always thought the loyalty card thing was pretty awful but it seems to work. People bite on it and rarely do they ask 'why are they giving me a discount on this'. Well, that's why. They sell that data for big bucks, but one of the customers for it are the various governmental programs that correlate association metadata.

They expanded it to gas stations, too, that'll go bigger shortly. Pretty much every station will be accepting grocery store loyalty cards of one sort or another, helps to find out where you buy gas and when.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 02:17 AM
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Originally posted by Bedlam
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I always thought the loyalty card thing was pretty awful but it seems to work. People bite on it and rarely do they ask 'why are they giving me a discount on this'. Well, that's why. They sell that data for big bucks, but one of the customers for it are the various governmental programs that correlate association metadata.

They expanded it to gas stations, too, that'll go bigger shortly. Pretty much every station will be accepting grocery store loyalty cards of one sort or another, helps to find out where you buy gas and when.


I can understand corporations wanting to collect consumer data on customers, but it worries me that governmental agencies are so interested. Basically, we are being profiled -- quietly. I doubt the average person is aware of just how watched we are already.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 02:40 AM
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Also, notice in the past year that most websites are ditching their own log in systems and making you sign in with either a Facebook/twitter/google account. "They" are loving this consolidation as it allows user trackabity across multiple domains.
Hopefully that'll never happen on ats.

Btw, no gold star or any chips in my California drivers license I was issues last year. Also they used my old pic from 2004 on the new one.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 02:47 AM
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Originally posted by AuranVector
I doubt the average person is aware of just how watched we are already.


Or by how many different groups, some of which I find surprising.

I mean, yeah, you expect the NSA, CIA and FBI to be interested in that sort of thing, it's sort of their job. But that's just the start. There are a lot of other groups that are really really deeply into building profiles of everyone they can get their little data mitts on.

It's been explained to me why, ok, I sort of see why, sort of. But why not have one clearinghouse for info for all the military groups? If DIA is doing it anyway, and they're supposed to be the warfighter's intelligence agency, well, dammit, make them the one source of that sort of info. Really, seeing that NSA uses certain military units to collect data for them, it ought to be turnabout fair play as far as I'm concerned, but they're NSA and they rarely share.

But do you really need a different one for every military group, sometimes three or four per service, PLUS the DIA one? You've even got multiple ones per SOC. Why do individual SOC service branches need their own when USASOCOM co-shares the one with DIA? That crap's not cheap to install, maintain or run.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by Bedlam

Originally posted by intrptr All this work was underground at all four corners of each intersection under the sidewalk only(?)



Maybe it's to sense wheelchairs waiting to cross. Did they put in sense loops there? You should be able to see the cuts for them.

You know you might be right. It sounds believable. And like wow expensive. I thought thats why the buttons on the cross walk are there? For people without handicapped fingers?



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 12:57 PM
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Or by how many different groups, some of which I find surprising.

Doesn't surprise me at all.


I mean, yeah, you expect the NSA, CIA and FBI to be interested in that sort of thing, it's sort of their job. But that's just the start. There are a lot of other groups that are really really deeply into building profiles of everyone they can get their little data mitts on.

The more they know about a persons habits the easier it is to "hunt" them down. A trail of bread crumbs that you leave behind so the government can follow you. If a warning flag comes up that you may be "subversive" well then they can ratchet up the surveillance or even make an interdiction (for your own good). Sort of a "Pre-emptive terror strike". And if you do break the law by say, not making all your child support payments, then they can track you down. All they have to do is wait for you to use an ID card somewhere and the computer will go DING! I thought that is what all the fueshun centers were all about? Amassing all that data about everyone on a permanent basis and analyzing "dangerous" types (just in case)?


It's been explained to me why, ok, I sort of see why, sort of. But why not have one clearinghouse for info for all the military groups? If DIA is doing it anyway, and they're supposed to be the warfighter's intelligence agency, well, dammit, make them the one source of that sort of info. Really, seeing that NSA uses certain military units to collect data for them, it ought to be turnabout fair play as far as I'm concerned, but they're NSA and they rarely share.

But do you really need a different one for every military group, sometimes three or four per service, PLUS the DIA one? You've even got multiple ones per SOC. Why do individual SOC service branches need their own when USASOCOM co-shares the one with DIA? That crap's not cheap to install, maintain or run.

Just my guess but the military has to keep track of two arenas; here and abroad. Enemies within and without. By without, I mean enemy combatants and their relatives and connections in foreign occupied lands and the individual soldiers deployed to control and subjugate them. These soldiers are also watched carefully abroad and at home.

At home the groups are split further into veterans along with active and inactive personnel. Of all the people to watch these are the most potentially dangerous to the system. Combat trained young men with stress related "dysfunctions" brought on by too much fighting or even dissidence in the ranks and in retired personnel. A lot of these guys are becoming incensed at the government for misleading them about the unjust wars they participated in.

The Germans couldn't wait to get their hands on all the Interpol files in WWII. They told them where all the Jews were living. Saved them a lot of work. They needed that information for their "pogroms". Interpol had amassed all those files on everyone and it was all neatly waiting there for someone with evil intent to get their "mitts" on it.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by intrptr
Just my guess but the military has to keep track of two arenas; here and abroad. Enemies within and without. By without, I mean enemy combatants and their relatives and connections in foreign occupied lands and the individual soldiers deployed to control and subjugate them. These soldiers are also watched carefully abroad and at home.

At home the groups are split further into veterans along with active and inactive personnel.


Yeah, you'd think, but it's YOU guys they're keeping track of. US guys I guess, I still think like I'm in.

Well, it's everyone they can get by data mining the net, and then they run it through a lot of analysis to see who knows whom, and when they communicate, and move around, where they go, what they buy and so on.

But it's not limited to overseas, they get info from all sorts of places. Like here. Not so much reading the post content, but seeing who posts on what threads, who replies to whom and so on. It implies association. They're looking for associational metadata most of all, but also behavioral metadata. They really LOVE Facebook, btw.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 04:55 PM
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US guys huh? Not to worried about it actually. If they come and take me for my anti-American sentiments, I'll be flattered. Since I have discovered I am living in the 4th Reich, I would rather stand martyred than complicent (as long as it doesn't hurt to much).

I am not anti-American, I am anti what America has become. I also think they have bigger fish to fry than some opinionated trolls on conspiracy websites. The way I see it, I think they would rather us here typing away than out there making trouble. Isn't that our excuse, BTW? We don't actually have to do anything about the evil as long as we voice our opinion about it? Kind of doing something about it without actually doing anything about it?

If I was a government that was afraid of its own people I would want forums like this to help keep people "satisfied". Thats why they haven't turned it all off either. It serves its purpose.

And like you said, watching associative behavior. Now if one was to be trying to hack government or military computers, threatening individuals or local state, national leaders or what not, if one was using the internet to sell kids, drugs, weapons or foment insurrection, then yah, you are gonna get it with a quickness. They already use key word software and tracers on the web in general.

If you ping a system then they will look closer in your direction at that point and if they find any other reason to actually pay you a visit, it won't matter if you have RFID or not. Your through.

Like I said I don't worry about it, the odds are far greater I will die in a car wreck or get cancer. But just in case I am going to leave this thread now and go on a Syria thread and say stuff like, US go Home! and, US out of everywhere!



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 11:51 PM
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Originally posted by Gumshoe
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Also, notice in the past year that most websites are ditching their own log in systems and making you sign in with either a Facebook/twitter/google account. "They" are loving this consolidation as it allows user trackabity across multiple domains.
Hopefully that'll never happen on ats.

Btw, no gold star or any chips in my California drivers license I was issues last year. Also they used my old pic from 2004 on the new one.


Yes, I just noticed that recently. I'm not on any social site. I don't use either google or twitter, but I don't think it really matters -- everything on the web can be tracked.

California never opposed the Real ID act (surprise!) and it looks like full national compliance has been extended to 2017.

The 1st Benchmark of compliance is a biometric scan of the face. If you did not have that, you do not have the Real ID card yet.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by Bedlam

Originally posted by AuranVector
I doubt the average person is aware of just how watched we are already.


Or by how many different groups, some of which I find surprising.
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But do you really need a different one for every military group, sometimes three or four per service, PLUS the DIA one? You've even got multiple ones per SOC. Why do individual SOC service branches need their own when USASOCOM co-shares the one with DIA? That crap's not cheap to install, maintain or run.


That there's a lot of redundancy and waste in the military does not surprise me. Each branch of service wants to protect its own fiefdom.



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 12:05 AM
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Originally posted by intrptr
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I thought that is what all the fueshun centers were all about? Amassing all that data about everyone on a permanent basis and analyzing "dangerous" types (just in case)?


Fueshun centers? Do you mean Fusion centers for data sharing?



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The Germans couldn't wait to get their hands on all the Interpol files in WWII. They told them where all the Jews were living. Saved them a lot of work. They needed that information for their "pogroms". Interpol had amassed all those files on everyone and it was all neatly waiting there for someone with evil intent to get their "mitts" on it.



Yeah, that's what makes all of this so scary.



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by Bedlam
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Like here. Not so much reading the post content, but seeing who posts on what threads, who replies to whom and so on. It implies association. They're looking for associational metadata most of all, but also behavioral metadata. They really LOVE Facebook, btw.


Oh yeah, Facebook & other social sites, makes it so easy to build a profile on someone.



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 12:26 AM
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Originally posted by intrptr
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US guys huh? Not to worried about it actually. If they come and take me for my anti-American sentiments, I'll be flattered. Since I have discovered I am living in the 4th Reich, I would rather stand martyred than complicent (as long as it doesn't hurt to much).


I take the 4th Reich very seriously. The Nazis did not go away. They disguised themselves, took the wealth they pillaged from Europe and built a new empire under our noses.



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I am not anti-American, I am anti what America has become. I also think they have bigger fish to fry than some opinionated trolls on conspiracy websites. The way I see it, I think they would rather us here typing away than out there making trouble. Isn't that our excuse, BTW? We don't actually have to do anything about the evil as long as we voice our opinion about it? Kind of doing something about it without actually doing anything about it?

If I was a government that was afraid of its own people I would want forums like this to help keep people "satisfied". Thats why they haven't turned it all off either. It serves its purpose.


Yes, this thought has crossed my mind as well. A lot of people come to ATS (and sites like it) to vent their anger. to outline their fears. It's therapeutic.

I wonder how many here would actually take action against the Machine, if the SHTF?

TPTB have surrounded us with laws to make it easy for them to label anyone a "terrorist" and lock him up.

By the time Hilter took over, it was too late. Those who protested disappeared in the middle of the night.

I think it's already too late for this country, this world. It's amazing how many people are still asleep.

At the very least, we can be aware of what is being done to us.



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by AuranVector

Originally posted by intrptr
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I thought that is what all the fueshun centers were all about? Amassing all that data about everyone on a permanent basis and analyzing "dangerous" types (just in case)?


Fueshun centers? Do you mean Fusion centers for data sharing?



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The Germans couldn't wait to get their hands on all the Interpol files in WWII. They told them where all the Jews were living. Saved them a lot of work. They needed that information for their "pogroms". Interpol had amassed all those files on everyone and it was all neatly waiting there for someone with evil intent to get their "mitts" on it.



Yeah, that's what makes all of this so scary.

You know what's even scarier? The same people in charge of the Nazi state police apparatus (gestapo types) were brought here afterwards to help the US establish its own beginnings of control. In the guise of watching and spying on the Russians (Soviets) who also absorbed their own share of former Nazis. Its like they picked up right where they left off under Hitler. Now all those embedded systems are coming to fruition in the computer age. The Fourth Reich was born out of the ashes of the Third. Now young people who have not studied history are running the show and are doomed to repeat the same miserable mistakes of the past. And mostly people are right there along side cheering em on.

Yah, them evil Muslims... Boooomb them!!! Yah, they might get WMD, build a bomb or blow up the pyramids so lets blow them all to kingdom come first! And the whole time we are the ones doing all the bombing on a never before seen grand scale.

Little off topic here. Sorry bout that. I'm out.



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 12:41 AM
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I take the 4th Reich very seriously. The Nazis did not go away. They disguised themselves, took the wealth they pillaged from Europe and built a new empire under our noses.

Fuggin' A...



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 03:10 AM
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Originally posted by intrptr

You know what's even scarier? The same people in charge of the Nazi state police apparatus (gestapo types) were brought here afterwards to help the US establish its own beginnings of control. In the guise of watching and spying on the Russians (Soviets) who also absorbed their own share of former Nazis. Its like they picked up right where they left off under Hitler. Now all those embedded systems are coming to fruition in the computer age. The Fourth Reich was born out of the ashes of the Third. Now young people who have not studied history are running the show and are doomed to repeat the same miserable mistakes of the past. And mostly people are right there along side cheering em on.

Yah, them evil Muslims... Boooomb them!!! Yah, they might get WMD, build a bomb or blow up the pyramids so lets blow them all to kingdom come first! And the whole time we are the ones doing all the bombing on a never before seen grand scale.

Little off topic here. Sorry bout that. I'm out.


It's connected -- gadgets for the police state. I agree. Another thing that bothers me about what's happening in Egypt is that the Muslim Brotherhood had very real ties to the Nazis back in the 1930's.

None of this is accidental. We are being played by TPTB



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 03:21 AM
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I have no need to board a commercial aircraft, I stopped flying when the TSA decided that they wanted to get to 2nd base with me in the screening process.

If I need to go anywhere in a hurry, I'll steal a cessna and fly myself. Plenty of those just layin around where im at.



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 11:35 PM
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Prescott Bush the father of GHW Bush was a NAZI sympathizer was involved named in a plot to form a coup against Franklin Roosevelt before the war broke out . All of this was swept under the carpet . Their choice to head a 500,000 man army was Smedly Butler a decorated military man . He alerted the Congress what and who had plotted to overthrow the government and install a Fascist government like Hitlers to bring us out of the depression .



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by SimonPeter
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Prescott Bush the father of GHW Bush was a NAZI sympathizer was involved named in a plot to form a coup against Franklin Roosevelt before the war broke out . All of this was swept under the carpet . Their choice to head a 500,000 man army was Smedly Butler a decorated military man . He alerted the Congress what and who had plotted to overthrow the government and install a Fascist government like Hitlers to bring us out of the depression .


Yes, you're right. I wonder how many Americans even know this story outside of the conspiracy community.

Maj. General Smedley Butler was a true patriot. He also wrote a classic, "War is a Racket," about the military-industrial complex. He saw it first hand and tried to warn the public. A lot of good that did.



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