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Originally posted by Screwed
It is all well and good to get online and go on and on about the bankers and how "if we don't DO something"
we're all going to be screwed but unless YOU are doing something then I don't want to hear it.
Do you know what needs to be done?
It has NOTHING to do with "the bankers".
It is the money!!!!
It was always the God Damned money!!!!
Until YOU are ready to start giving freely without the expectation of MONEY then we are all screwed.
When you give of yourself,when you FREELY give YOUR time,energy,skills,and talents to those who seek them out then it makes ME want to do the same.
When you and I are doing this,
others will take notice.
When others take notice we all start doing it.
When we all start doing it, we establish a norm.
When a norm has been established, money begins to lose its power and influence on us.
When we all start giving freely, money will be no more, bankers will no longer exist, and we will finally have earned our freedom.
It all starts with YOU my friend.
Originally posted by dogstar23
reply to post by chemistry
"...turn Europe into the same debt ridden squalor as the U.S."
Not all, but most of Europe is right in lockstep with the U.S. When it comes to debt. Most people don't understand that the debt number alone isn't a useful measure of your degree of indebtedness. Debt to GDP ratio is what matters. There are certain countries in Europe in relatively good shape, others not so much. You don't look at a guy earning $15M a year with a $15M mortgage and say "man that guy is living in debt-ridden squalor", but you do look at someone earning $25k/year with $80k in credit card debt as living in debt-ridden squalor. So the guy with more debt is in better shape? Absolutely, because his income and net worth are higher.
Quick research will show you that the U.S. Is in lockstep with most of western Europe. It will also show you that the U.S. Ratio has been much worse in the past, and came back down over the following decades. Granted, that was before the Beggar Kings (Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, and Obama) rocketed the debt upward, but it still is nowhere near approaching the ratios of the 1940's, and the ratio has aready leveled off, most likely turning downward in the next year or two.
Originally posted by dogstar23
reply to post by chemistry
"...turn Europe into the same debt ridden squalor as the U.S."
Not all, but most of Europe is right in lockstep with the U.S. When it comes to debt. Most people don't understand that the debt number alone isn't a useful measure of your degree of indebtedness. Debt to GDP ratio is what matters. There are certain countries in Europe in relatively good shape, others not so much. You don't look at a guy earning $15M a year with a $15M mortgage and say "man that guy is living in debt-ridden squalor", but you do look at someone earning $25k/year with $80k in credit card debt as living in debt-ridden squalor. So the guy with more debt is in better shape? Absolutely, because his income and net worth are higher.
Quick research will show you that the U.S. Is in lockstep with most of western Europe. It will also show you that the U.S. Ratio has been much worse in the past, and came back down over the following decades. Granted, that was before the Beggar Kings (Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, and Obama) rocketed the debt upward, but it still is nowhere near approaching the ratios of the 1940's, and the ratio has aready leveled off, most likely turning downward in the next year or two.
Originally posted by emberscott
Originally posted by chemistry
otherwsie we all WILL become debt-slaves
Become? You already are. What makes you believe you are not?
Originally posted by rockymcgilicutty
Originally posted by emberscott
Originally posted by chemistry
otherwsie we all WILL become debt-slaves
Become? You already are. What makes you believe you are not?
The only thing the banks fear.Is a run on them.July 5th if we do it will be our true independence day.Start the run on the banks.Don't pay them a dime.It will cause some hard times for us but they have left us with no choice.What are they going to do arrest and evict everyone?The people won't stand for it.Lets take our country back without violance.Close them down.
To those who think "no money" is the solution tell my why anyone would bother going to work anymore? Especially those jobs like fixing the sewers, repairing roads, cleaning buildings - really, who is going to "volunteer" to do those things?edit on 4-7-2012 by Asktheanimals because: added comment
Originally posted by Screwed
Until YOU are ready to start giving freely without the expectation of MONEY then we are all screwed.
When you give of yourself,when you FREELY give YOUR time,energy,skills,and talents to those who seek them out then it makes ME want to do the same.
When you and I are doing this,
others will take notice.
When others take notice we all start doing it.
When we all start doing it, we establish a norm.
When a norm has been established, money begins to lose its power and influence on us.
When we all start giving freely, money will be no more, bankers will no longer exist, and we will finally have earned our freedom.
Originally posted by NullVoid
Warning
The stronger you guys push this, the nearer you will come to socialist/communist model. Be warned.
I for one, already gave this a deep thought and I become a communist believer and supporter.
I contend that the government doesn't want us to volunteer anything.
What would you do if you came across someone on the street that had not had anything to eat for several days? Would you give that person some food? Well, the next time you get that impulse you might want to check if it is still legal to feed the homeless where you live. Sadly, feeding the homeless has been banned in major cities all over America. Other cities that have not banned it outright have put so many requirements on those that want to feed the homeless (acquiring expensive permits, taking food preparation courses, etc.) that feeding the homeless has become "out of reach" for most average people. Some cities are doing these things because they are concerned about the "health risks" of the food being distributed by ordinary "do-gooders". Other cities are passing these laws because they do not want homeless people congregating in city centers where they know that they will be fed. But at a time when poverty and government dependence are soaring to unprecedented levels, is it really a good idea to ban people from helping those that are hurting?
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Originally posted by AntiNWO
[The Capitalist system only needs to be repaired, not replaced. Make central banks illegal as in The Constitution: problem solved.