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The Affordable I Don't Care Act

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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:02 PM
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In this chart we can see who is exempt from the tax / penalty under the "Affordable Care Act," and who will be penalized.



(Link to chart above)

If this information is correct, will it not be less of a burden for those who cannot afford to pay the required amount to just pay the penalty instead. If we compared the average cost in 2010 employees paid towards individual coverage, against when the law takes effect, a rather large sum is produced.

According to factcheck.org and the Congressional Budget office, and cited today in the businness insider, the penalty can never exceed the cost of the national average premiums for the lowest-cost “bronze” plans being offered through the new insurance exchanges called for under the law. So expecting rising costs throughout the next 10 - 20 yrs at least up to the lowest possible penalty (pdf:bronze) cannot be discounted.

This also brings to mind our seniors, and if they know that in 2014, Obamacare cuts $1.05 Trillion from Medicare over the first 10 years and $4.95 Trillion over the first 20 years.

It also makes me wonder if Obamacare will resemble what happens in Britain where recently it has been discussed whether or not the Liverpool care pathway is a assisted death pathway for elderly patients with illnesses.

Perhaps Americans don't know that the poor and disabled already receive Medicaid, and that it really doesn't help the poor unless you make less than 9,500 per year, or the fact that by 2037 according to the CBO it will run dry unless the government acts.

What's sad about this whole deal is that an individual who makes $9,600 annually is still in poverty. So claiming that this Healthcare law is for the poor is none sense. It afflicts the most susceptible in our society and assesses penalties for non - compliance, only to leave people and families with very little choice but to work, be penalized, or quit your job and sign up for free benefits..ie.food stamps, medicaid...

(Alternative source)








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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:10 PM
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I fear you are right sir

I fear most people will just take the penalty

except the sick people

in the industry, this is known as "adverse selection"

this simply means more bad risks are in a plan than good risks, and it the law of large numbers doesn't pan out

this could be the biggest waste of tax money maybe ever if that is the case.

it could mean all those exchanges set up, all the iRS agents hired, all the taxes collected, and only the sick sign up and the plan still loses money

think of all the neglected bodies out there that will sign up for this and need surgeries, medications etc etc

then the gov't will have an idea

make the penalties worse, drive in the healthy people

great



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:14 PM
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tax the poor, i mean the rich, wait just go get some food stamps.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:18 PM
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Can you please post a link for that chart you posted.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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The breadth and depth of the unintended consequences from Obama-care will be mind-blowing to educated Americans; but, as the liberals believe, "we need to implement the bill to find out what they are" (to poorly paraphrase Ms. Nancy Pelosi).



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by nighthawk1954
Can you please post a link for that chart you posted.


I just posted the link under the chart, thanks for noticing that.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:39 PM
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Thank you for this post, I have been trying so hard to educate people about this. Yes, people aren't going to get insurance. They are just going to pay the penalty and get insurance when they have to(catastrophic or when they get sick). When they get better they will dump it. Think of this as insurance when you need it.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:06 PM
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So the government makes it mandatory t have health insurance and if you don't all you have to do is pay what is really an affordable tax or penalty which most people will do.

So do you think this was all about getting all Americans health care or them knowing most wouldn't and just pay the penalty.

It was and is all about them making more money off the people of America.

"Yes We Can"!!

Change we can believe in.....



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:15 PM
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Look at you with all your facts and linked source material.

S&F.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:16 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Its even cheaper yet to join a religion that is against getting this “benefit”.
Just file the correct paperwork, pay the county/state fee if there is one, and you too can belong to the: “First United Church of IdonWannaObammaCareians.”

Start here:
www.irs.gov...

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:21 PM
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What religion prohibits health insurance?

I'm going to follow Rev. Peter Griffin and restart the church of the Fonz, where we believe in the teachings of Arthur Fonzarelli, and forbid crappy DMV style overpriced insurance!

Or I can just fall off the grid.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:30 PM
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I'll just reply to myself.

Any religion that is opposed to contraception or abortion may be against.... Socialist healthcare or insurance that supports contraception or abortion.

Even though obamacare is not socialist health care, socialist healthcare is much better than this crap. obamacare is just a way to FORCE you to buy private for profit insurance.


Linky about religion vs gooberment


www.aclu-de.org...


edit on 2-7-2012 by sicksonezer0 because: un capitalized obamas name.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:34 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

If your addressing this at me. Then my point was that you can very easily start your own religion to avoid this, or you can find someone else who starts one, then join theirs. Believe me, nonsensical religions will start up solely for the purpose of avoiding this law.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:35 PM
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Those are huge penalties. It will drive some people homeless ebcause some people are only getting about $1,400 a month.

So a person at that would have to pay 95$. That's a lot of food out that person;s mouth.

I have some family that are making $1200 dollars a month. That $695 penalty, which is CHEAPER THAN TO PAY INSURANCE, will reduce the person to $505 dollars a year to live on.


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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:39 PM
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Hah I didn't notice your message until after I submitted. You hit the nail on the head. Makes me wonder how one would even go about creating a religion, I'm sure its not as easy as just conjuring one up in my head, probably all kinds of red tape.

Besides those penalties tell me that this insurance WILL NOT BE CHEAP



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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:45 PM
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Actually I believe that its very easy to do. Check the link I posted above. File the correct paperwork with the IRS, and file for whatever licenses your local government requires. I believe down here its like a $50 fee.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:54 PM
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Just join Scientology. lol. You don't believe in anything consistently, and no doctors. lol If you weren't going to go to the doctor because you couldn't afford it, then it would be "perfect".



(NOT serious.)



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:56 PM
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Thar's going to be a problem, my religion also does not believe in the IRS, but that's another thread.

I wonder how many people think these taxes.. I mean penalties are yearly, I think they are monthly.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 10:00 PM
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Considering that the government thinks that Cobra is affordable for people facing unemployment, it wouldn't surprise me.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
Those are huge penalties. It will drive some people homeless ebcause some people are only getting about $1,400 a month.

So a person at that would have to pay 95$. That's a lot of food out that person;s mouth.

I have some family that are making $1200 dollars a month. That $695 penalty, which is CHEAPER THAN TO PAY INSURANCE, will reduce the person to $505 dollars a year to live on.


edit on 2-7-2012 by EvilSadamClone because: (no reason given)


Your math is insane, start over agian and use a calculator if you have to.




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