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Non-violence isn't working, time to knock some heads

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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by Jubosh
IF YOU ARE FIGHTING CRIMINALS YOU cannot use peaceful methods, you must use justice

#### will hit the fan, which side will you be on?


The opposite you are on. Your idea of "justice" is mob rule and destruction. I will have nothing to do with your immature ranting.

But I am armed.




posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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An armed rebellion can happen, I'll die for it. I know I'll take out twice as many as my life. Promised.


"Every man dies. Not every man truly lives"

~William Wallace Braveheart~

No one really knows the actual historical account of William Wallace but the film is less concerned with historical accuracy and more concerned with mythology. The Monomyth, the mythic structure that defines the hero's journey, always follows the same structure, and did so for Braveheart.

The hero is always called to adventure, but at first refuses this call. Luke Skywalker refused the call, Peter Parker as Spiderman refused the call, all mythic hero's at first refuse the call, but then some event happens that compels them to answer that call.

William Wallace wasn't running around Scotland ranting and raving about taking up arms against The Longshanks, and when that event that finally compelled him to answer the call came, still he didn't run around Scotland ranting and raving urging everyone to take up arms against the British. He went to confront the villain alone, but in his heroism he inspired those around him to join him in confronting the villain.

It is never hero's who run around screaming join me first and we'll die hero's together. It is never the hero that sacrifices himself to become known as the lone gunman who flipped his noodle and went all ballistic. That role is saved for the villain. The hero is the one who steps outside of himself and accepts responsibility for more than himself. That hero does not get to where he is going without help. Every hero has their wise old man. William Wallace had his uncle and later had the ghost of his wife to guide him. Luke Skywalker had Obi Wan Kenobi, and later Yoda. King Arthur had Merlin. Spiderman had Uncle Ben and Aunt May.

The wise old man is the guide who prepares the hero for their journey. In this topic, that wise old man would guide the hero to confront the villain through peaceful means. That hero would learn that there is indeed a system set up for a redress of grievance. That hero would learn that hero's before him have used this system to demand the Supreme Court affirm the individuals right to keep and bear arm, to affirm the individuals right to speak freely, to affirm the individuals right to challenge bogus legislation, peacefully and lawfully.

Only until all of those avenues have been exhausted and no remedy offered would the hero turn to violence and never, ever, would that hero urge others to die with him...if others chose to, it would be because that hero inspired them to do so through diligence and an exhaustion of all peaceful means.

It takes a warrior poet wise enough to know when all peaceful means have been exhausted. It only takes a foolish soldier to shoot his wad long before that.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:05 PM
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You do that and get enough people to break away from the system where it is a threat to them, and they would launch a propaganda war against you, labeling you anarchists, hippies, etc whatever, and then they would report on the false crimes being committed in the camp and how much a danger you and everyone there is a danger. Heck, they may even accuse you of creating nukes!


Originally posted by Trappenin
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A commune where we farm, hunt, and cook our own food. We do everything on our own. I have land where we could do this. I have guns, ammo, and we could gather what we needed for this rather quickly.




posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by jacobe001
You do that and get enough people to break away from the system where it is a threat to them, and they would launch a propaganda war against you, labeling you anarchists, hippies, etc whatever, and then they would report on the false crimes being committed in the camp and how much a danger you and everyone there is a danger. Heck, they may even accuse you of creating nukes!


Originally posted by Trappenin
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A commune where we farm, hunt, and cook our own food. We do everything on our own. I have land where we could do this. I have guns, ammo, and we could gather what we needed for this rather quickly.



Kind of what happened at Waco. That's how far this militia stuff will get you in real life.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:16 PM
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If Wallace would of had an old man with the wisdom you just shared ? He may never have spilled his guts.


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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:21 PM
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There is wisdom in your words.
But i ask you now how many villains do we need how many old wise men have to die in vein?
We may be only talking st#t now but when the second amendment is completely gone there will be bloodshed if not sooner.
Since the evil rulers have a road map and plans to disarm us is at the end of the road it is important that we prepare our hearts with the word of god and get armed and become lead farmers.
God helps those who help themselves.

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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by randyvs
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If Wallace would of had an old man with the wisdom you just shared ? He may never have spilled his guts.


Unfortunately William Wallace didn't have the redress of grievances available to him that Americans do here.

It is moronic to scream "Let's overthrow the government" when we are the government. That in fact is the problem. We are the government, but we've been too complacent in acquiescing to tyranny.

I can't help but wonder how many of these arm chair revolutionaries have drivers licenses and file valid tax returns every year. Perhaps some of these arm chair revolutionaries are actually liable for the so called "Personal Income Tax", but probably not. It is beyond stupid to pay taxes one is not even liable for and then get all emotional and scream "lock and load...bring it on!"



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:25 PM
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You cite a tax that was duped on us through patriotism in a time of war and has no constitutional roots.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by deadeyedick
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
 


There is wisdom in your words.
But i ask you now how many villains do we need how many old wise men have to die in vein?
We may be only talking st#t now but when the second amendment is completely gone there will be bloodshed if not sooner.
Since the evil rulers have a road map and plans to disarm us is at the end of the road it is important that we prepare our hearts with the word of god and get armed and become lead farmers.
God helps those who help themselves.

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Rights aren't being taken away. They're being given up without a challenge. And what about all the other amendments that are just as important, such as free speech, the right to be secure against warrantless search? It's almost pointless having a 2nd amendment if the majority willingly complies with something unconstitutional anyway.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:36 PM
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This thread reminds me of when I recently heard a bunch of skinny jeaned, latte drinking, hipsters talking revolution while sitting around at Starbucks.

See the irony
wankers? Hungry people start revolutions. For a reason; not because they are merely dissatisfied with the status quo.

The real revolutionaries are people of color in the ghettos! Not young men typing on 1k computer/laptops with a mustang outside.
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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:41 PM
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Originally posted by deadeyedick
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
 


There is wisdom in your words.
But i ask you now how many villains do we need how many old wise men have to die in vein?
We may be only talking st#t now but when the second amendment is completely gone there will be bloodshed if not sooner.
Since the evil rulers have a road map and plans to disarm us is at the end of the road it is important that we prepare our hearts with the word of god and get armed and become lead farmers.
God helps those who help themselves.

edit on 2-7-2012 by deadeyedick because: (no reason given)


You cite the Bible, but you don't follow the teachings of Christ ? Unacceptable ! I can give you in this thread the greatest reason for Christ telling us from his time, to turn the other cheek. A message to us from him. Because he new how futile it would be for us with out him my fellow member. History had room for heros thru the possibility of covert action and bravery. Those days are not possible now. The elite some how have known this day would come. I see this and I wait on the Lord. He will be my Hero. He will be thee Hero. I only hope he will be yours also for he to saw this day coming.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:42 PM
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XeroOne has answered most effectively, but I would add that of all the Amendments enumerated, none is more profound, or more important than the Ninth Amendment which makes clear that all enumerated rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage any other rights retained by the people.

The greatest enemy to our own unalienable rights is expedience. People go along to get along and the evil ones set their traps incrementally. Step by patient step they invite you to surrender. People have accepted these invitations for far too long. Extricating oneself from the trap is not easy, but it certainly doesn't require a call to arms. t requires courage, diligence, and understanding the law.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:56 PM
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We will know when people are ready and the line has been crossed.
As our Brothers, the resistance fighters in the mid east have proven.
One cannot stand against a superior military force, one must become covert.
So, instead of a HUGE group getting together to make some change, it will be many small groups making surgical strikes on individuals.
Sure, they are most probably suicide attacks but, they would have died anyway.
To gather 5000 "like minded" people all into one big kill box would be stupid...
Small cells are the only way to combat a big monster.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:03 PM
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@ g146541
It would also be stupid to give the impression you're condoning terrorism, given the FBI might very well be reading this.
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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:03 PM
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Pointless to you maybe.
To others it is the final line.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by deadeyedick
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Pointless to you maybe.
To others it is the final line.


But it is. The whole point of the 2nd Amendment is to ensure the balance of power rests with the citizens, but the citizens are just giving up that power anyway. That's been my point all along.
It's just like having a gun to protect yourself against being mugged, but handing over the money anyway without even drawing the weapon.
If people can't say no to a cop, what on God's green earth makes them think they can put up an armed rebellion?
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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:09 PM
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He knew when to teach when to run and promised that he would return to judge and there would be a period or great of tribulation and for christians not to kill until he returned and to prepare our hearts with love and that's what i have done.
At the same time i will prepare my arms and be ready to fight for my life.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:15 PM
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Giving up money is one thing.
Giving up your life is another.
We have givin up up our money to the muggers and i will fight for my life in the situation that calls for my life to end.
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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:16 PM
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well that got more responses then i was expecting sry for being late to my own post, started cleaning # and just lost track of time,

alot of mixed views here while that actually make me happier to see. least yall aint sheep

as for you people making random assumption about my lifestyle, assuming makes and ass out of U and me.
so don't assume I'm a hipster sipping lattes, they kinda like gays in Wyoming... not in my state.. sry bad joke.
but on a serious note yes i do take part in local politic in my state hard not too with under million people but no matter what you do at a local level it's not going to make much a difference, ya get some electives in and for what they are few out of many most often they cant make a difference or will end up following the herd. voting doesn't working have a peaceful resolution's doesn't work

as for someone earlier that posted something about non violence. and i think they mention Jesus, Dr.king, and President Gandhi
well 2 out of 3 of those guy got assassinated for lack of better term and only because that they are so renowned, king would fallen short if not for him dying, that was the biggest message, as withso Jesus... well I'm not really a believer in religion of any sort, grown people arguing over who's imaginary friend is better is pathetic, but if Jesus was never crucified i also think his message would have fallen short.

Gandhi is a pimp. nuf said

look at JFK POTUS- didn't agree with higher powers, got assassinated for trying to get message across. that should be the one person who could have made change, not like obamas change, ya know promising to leave then starting 4 more wars.

alas someone asked me which side I'm on well I'd rather be on the side that's sucking air instead of blowing #

You mistake my term violence for mob riots.there's a difference, contact sports are violent, so are mexican drug cartels, people don't have to massacre in the streets and torch every building, but stop rolling on you back and pissing yourselves anytime someone shows up with a tazer and some pepper spray, hell bring you own, idc

point is if you are willing to get into a mob of people only to do NOTHING, then stop wasting time, hell there 200000 people protesting in japan bout the nulcear reactor being turned on right now, MSM black outs- and general disregard for human saftey, is what they get in return, a nation plague by nuclear issues it's people stand up, and what... non violence, non change,
GG gandhi your 1 in a billion,



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:22 PM
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You know I see a current pattern that is coincidental in Islam.

In Islam you see religious leaders calling for and encouraging some of their people to do violent acts.

But you never see them do the violent acts themselves.

This is the common trend among all instigators. All instigators will always call for action, but never take action themselves.

This is why I never listen to instigators and agitators. They just want to see you burn.



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