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Originally posted by syrinx high priest
no such thing as free anything from the gov't
you just mean "paid for by taxes"
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by CoolerAbdullah786
Please explain to me. You talk about how many poor kids join up just to get health care and education. Look at some numbers. The kids from the bottom 30% of the income scale only accounted for 27% of the recruits. It's the middle class that's signing up. nationalpriorities.org...
Further, would you explain why we are opposed to universal health care in order to drive people into the military, at the same time Obama is reducing military budgets and strength levels? Do we have two groups of people running this country, each with opposite goals?
Of course, if you remove perks there will be less interest. That's true of anything in the world. If you add perks there will be more interest. True, but I don't know how that helps the analysis.
Originally posted by ShadeWolf
Oh get over it. The constitution also didn't allow women to vote and legalized slavery. You're trying to base your entire system and argument on a 200 year old document in desperate need of a rewrite.
Originally posted by zonetripper2065
Thats weird, my friends in the UK go on and on on how terrible free healthcare is. About having to wait long periods of time, for clinic style healthcare.
Originally posted by FreeFromTheHerd
That 200 year old document is what limits the government and doesnt allow them to run rampant over the people, yet you seem to think said document is useless. Coming from an 18 year old "dedicated socialist" (aka parasite) your opinion shows your lack of experience in something we call the real world.
Originally posted by charles1952
Just as an aside, hospital operating profits have been in the 2% - 5% range for years. Where do you want them to be?
There are few industries with as much power in Washington as the pharmaceutical sector. Drug companies have spent $2.3 billion on lobbying and $183 million on campaign contributions since 1998, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
The nation’s major health insurers are barreling into a third year of record profits, enriched in recent months by a lingering recessionary mind-set among Americans who are postponing or forgoing medical care....
....Yet the companies continue to press for higher premiums, even though their reserve coffers are flush with profits and shareholders have been rewarded with new dividends....
Originally posted by ANOK
Yeah, great medical system you have. Great for generating lots of cash for nothing.
Originally posted by FreeFromTheHerd
How about the simple fact that it's unconstitutional.
Nothing in Article 1 Section 8 authorizes the feds to be involved in either one of those, and only through the twisting of words and redefining the intent of the founding fathers by ignorant jackasses in Congress has led to the current intrusion by the feds.
Originally posted by charles1952
Dear ANOK,
Can we narrow this down at all? It's hard to find a solution until there is some idea of what the problem is.
I think you are saying that Americans spend a lot of money on health care that doesn't go into health care, wait, that can't be right. Maybe it's that we spend a lot of money that isn't spent on the health care and necessary associated costs. Doctors have to buy tongue depressors, etc. But those costs are OK, because they're necessary. Fine, let's go with that for now.
How much government regulation is necessary? After all we spend a lot of money on that. How about malpractice insurance and legal fees? It's not unusual for an OB/GYN to pay $100,000 annually in malpractice insurance. Are companies allowed to make any profit at all? Do we push doctors into giving unnecessary, defensive medicine tests. Do patients use expensive, high-tech, ERs for trivial problems?
I'm not trying to be a wise guy, I'm just asking where you think the problem is. Saying "The Capitalist System," is just a bit too broad.
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.