Olympic Athlete Claims Blacks are superior to Whites

Originally posted by PvtHudson

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by PvtHudson

Not white.......From my perspective, white liberals are notoriously anti-white in any situation where they think doing so will redeem them in the eyes of non-whites.

I am white, I am a liberal.
I don't reflect what you said.
I don't feel the need for redemption from anyone or any group.
Your perspective is amusing, if a bit simple...but very inaccurate either way.

Nothing you said disproves what I said. Just turn on the news on any given night and you're likely to see whites being demonized (by other whites) and non-whites being put on a pedestal. Just look at the Trayvon Martin case and how the media (dominated by democrats and liberals) fell over themselves to call a clearly Latino man "white". There are countless examples and if you like I can spend an hour laying them out.

Frankly, I find your perspective to be quite simple. You simply closed your eyes and ears and lobbed insults.

I have met plenty of these people over the years and yes they are mostly liberal I did go through a faze of calling them lefties or commies

but to be fair it is like calling all blacks N*****s or all Muslims Terrorists which is just not true I now just call them Anti Whites it seems more fitting and is completely non prejudice

Originally posted by PvtHudson

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by PvtHudson

Not white.......From my perspective, white liberals are notoriously anti-white in any situation where they think doing so will redeem them in the eyes of non-whites.

I am white, I am a liberal.
I don't reflect what you said.
I don't feel the need for redemption from anyone or any group.
Your perspective is amusing, if a bit simple...but very inaccurate either way.

Nothing you said disproves what I said. Just turn on the news on any given night and you're likely to see whites being demonized (by other whites) and non-whites being put on a pedestal. Just look at the Trayvon Martin case and how the media (dominated by democrats and liberals) fell over themselves to call a clearly Latino man "white". There are countless examples and if you like I can spend an hour laying them out.

Frankly, I find your perspective to be quite simple. You simply closed your eyes and ears and lobbed insults.

The evil liberal media was hammering the stand your ground issue moreso than zim's ethnic background. Zim made a call based on his dislike of the black dude in the gated community.

You have a persecution complex from what I see...must be hard carrying that cross you made. I rarely see what you are saying (there are commentators and such that bring the racist card up all the time..sometimes properly, sometimes stupidly) but actual media views tends to be neutral or at least representitive. I am sure your filtering the info in order to achieve a viewpoint you already decided on though, so you will see patterns that don't actually exist.
Sort of like how one can make any song lyrics apply to some secret code for any agenda one can think of.

But if it makes you comfortable, carry on. I prefer my perspective where thoughtful conversation rules over people trying to hate one race or another. My world consists of people whom overall can have discussions about anything without flipping out that someone may be racist..misinformed? certainly..but hostile? nope.

Then again, I did stop hanging around idiotic racists when I was in my late teens. (hard to do in the deep south mind you, but I found a group of thinkers)

reply to post by rskenan

A difference of a few IQ points doesn't justify the huge gap in wealth. This indicates racism, not intelligence gap. There're large numbers of african-americans in jail and it's out of proportion to their population. Poverty is high among them. Yet the average IQ difference between us is so small and probably wholly tied to the economic differences..... this indicates: a) blowback b) present-day racism. Blowback represents the pre-existing conditions they're born into, things like poverty and a history of slavery and racism that strains their mind. It's not hard to imagine present-day racism.

I'm saying the IQ difference is too small and doesn't explain the wealth difference.

reply to post by antonia


I agree with you about the ballet dancers! They are very impressive.

I was mentioning bench press, because it is one of the things the NFL uses to judge players, and they don't use their max strength, or their endurance, they measure a combination of both. Most grown men can't bench press 225 lbs a single time, but NFL players might do it 15-40 reps when they are trying out for teams.

That is not a single measure though. They also measure the 10 yard dash, 20 yard dash, 40 yard dash, vertical leap, and many other things. They also have them run drills that measure foot speed and hand-eye coordination.

My argument is that an athlete is an athlete, and the skills for individual sports can be learned.

reply to post by getreadyalready


You don't think that past experience and mental resilience play a significant role in competitive sports? If you want to compete with the best, in most sports, you cannot rely on raw athletic ability alone. Sprinting is one of the few sports that is an exception, because it does not require much thinking in order to succeed.

reply to post by getreadyalready

My argument is that an athlete is an athlete, and the skills for individual sports can be learned.

I'd have to disagree with that, certain sports require different temperaments. Sport is not all physical, there is a mental aspect to many sports. As an example, Your average NFL player would stink at the Crossfit games because it requires a wider knowledge of movement and more generalized skill set. NFL players are specialists and their muscles form to it.





This is more than athletic ability, it requires incredible mental fortitude.

Very much like the Hyena vs the Gazelle, the Gazelle is faster, but the Hyena always eats the Gazelle.

reply to post by antonia


If you want to be great at sprinting, do many squats and practice every day. Very simple to train for and with the exception of excess height, genetics have very little to do with it. Yea, height is a disadvantage at sprinting.

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reply to post by Dark Ghost


Experience, training, and especially mental fortitude are definitely key components of being an elite athlete. No doubt about that. We seem to be arguing nuts and bolts vs. apples and oranges.

If a natural athlete is also blessed with mental fortitude and has the opportunity to train from an early age, then that athlete is going to be much better than people less athletically inclined, even though their training was just as good.

I think we've covered some of these arguments many pages back.

A friend of mine did a Master's Thesis on the factors that determine one's success in the NHL, and the number one factor he identified was birthdate. Those with a birthdate just after Sept 1 put them in a grade one year later, and they were always a little more mentally and physically mature than their counterparts. That extra maturity made them naturally better at sports, and being better meant they would get more playing time, and more coaching and instruction. By the time they were adults, the year difference didn't matter, but all that training and experience did matter, and they were much more likely to succeed at their sport.

BUT, all other things equal, the kid with the genetics that support athleticism was going to outperform the kid with just a lot of training.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by antonia

 

If you want to be great at sprinting, do many squats and practice every day. Very simple to train for and with the exception of excess height, genetics have very little to do with it. Yea, height is a disadvantage at sprinting.

The guy that started this whole discussion was Michael Johnson. He holds many world records, but he is tall, and his running style is unconventional. He runs straight up, and he takes shorter steps. All conventional wisdom and coaching say he should not be an elite runner, yet he is a world champion and record holder.

Athleticism trumps form.

reply to post by captaintyinknots


Whatever the reasons, blacks, both of the west african and east african variety, tend to be better athletes than non-blacks.

West Africans are more physically explosive, while east africans show to be great long distance runners.

Of course, there are perfectly reasonably arguments to be made why that it is; and you may have touched on some of them. Whatever the case, you have to be completely blind or obdurately opposed to reality to not see how blacks tend to be faster, jump higher and quicker.

That's not to say all blacks; just some. It's a statistical probability issue. I've seen many great white athletes, asian athletes etc, but the blacks tend to stand out; just as Jews tend to stand out in academia (which again, has a perfectly valid explanation; Jewish education in the Talmud was compulsory, unlike in the non-Jewish world where religious/philosophical study was reserved for the elite; the Talmud, a body of literature which demands great and strenuous use of reason, can be seen to have primed the Jewish intellect for academic pursuits more so than others.) It's not racist to say so. I'm not saying they are less than others. All humans have a basic God given dignity that cannot be contravened, and in this sense alone are we equal; but all humans are not equal, in terms of physical prowess, intellectual fortitude, talent, beauty, etc; we differ in many ways.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by antonia

 

reply to post by Dark Ghost

 

Experience, training, and especially mental fortitude are definitely key components of being an elite athlete. No doubt about that. We seem to be arguing nuts and bolts vs. apples and oranges.

If a natural athlete is also blessed with mental fortitude and has the opportunity to train from an early age, then that athlete is going to be much better than people less athletically inclined, even though their training was just as good.

No one is blessed with mental fortitude, it is developed through training. You used the term "inclined" and that is the heart of the matter. If you are interested in something you will pursue it more. The more time you spend doing it the better you get. It takes 10,000 hours of practice to master something, obviously people who devote large amounts of time to training will be better than those who don't. Being black and training for a few weeks isn't going to make you better than someone who has played for a full three years of their life. If that was the case Micheal Jordan should have been great at baseball, but he wasn't.

BUT, all other things equal, the kid with the genetics that support athleticism was going to outperform the kid with just a lot of training.

But nothing is equal, that's the problem. You can't even define what genetics support athleticism so what you are arguing is purely subjective. No one sport is the same, there is no person out there who can play any support they want. Different sports require different things, so your argument doesn't work. There is no perfect athlete. Furthermore, research on the genetics show an edge in muscle building, but muscle is not a requirement for all sports nor is there a correlation to winning. Once again, initial ability does not correlate to final ability.

reply to post by SaturnFX


so ur saying all the black women lined up against the white races are losing cause? Their black men get all the speed genes?

Originally posted by getreadyalready
He holds many world records, but he is tall, and his running style is unconventional. He runs straight up, and he takes shorter steps. All conventional wisdom and coaching say he should not be an elite runner, yet he is a world champion and record holder.

Athleticism trumps form.

He is in fact NOT the ideal genetic sprinter then? Interesting. I bet he does many squats, and practices often. Thank you for making my point that genetics are not as important as training methods and practice.

reply to post by antonia

If that was the case Micheal Jordan should have been great at baseball, but he wasn't.

I almost brought that example up myself.

I mentioned earlier that a lot of sports folks would say hitting a baseball is the absolute hardest thing to do in any sport. Hitting a round ball, with a round bat, while the ball is travelling near 100 mph, are jumping around in the air, and you have a fraction of a second to observe, and then decide whether or not you will swing, and then swing a bat an arc of 180 degrees, using every major muscle group in your body, and make contact with the ball with only millimeters of margin of error.

Yet, Michael Jordan was able to play an entire career in another sport, and then take up baseball at an age when other players are retiring, and in a single year of training, he was still able to have limited success at it, playing in the minor leagues, and getting some decent stats, including a few homeruns off professional caliber pitchers! Sure, he was mostly just a draw for ticket sales, but his performance was commendable.

His golf game is pretty damn good too!

reply to post by captaintyinknots


For some reason I found your "running from a lion comment" hilarious. And Im african decent

Originally posted by Evolutionsend

Originally posted by getreadyalready
He holds many world records, but he is tall, and his running style is unconventional. He runs straight up, and he takes shorter steps. All conventional wisdom and coaching say he should not be an elite runner, yet he is a world champion and record holder.

Athleticism trumps form.

He is in fact NOT the ideal genetic sprinter then? Interesting. I bet he does many squats, and practices often. Thank you for making my point that genetics are not as important as training methods and practice.

No, his genetics provide fast-twitch muscle fiber, strong tendons with perfect leverage points, balance, storage of key chemicals near his nerve and muscle fiber, and chemical responses in his body faster than his counterparts. Training has given him balance and endurance.

If it was the training methods and practice, he would be running like every other runner on the planet, going against his natural instincts, and we probably wouldn't know his name.

Everyone does squats. Squats are one of the 3 most basic exercises used in all training from 7th grade on up to the pros, and squats have been a staple in training probably since the original Roman Olympics, but certainly for the last 100 years in the US. I held the squat record for my weight class in my high school, and I held the power-clean record also, but I wasn't an elite athlete.

Originally posted by getreadyalready

No, his genetics provide fast-twitch muscle fiber, strong tendons with perfect leverage points, balance, storage of key chemicals near his nerve and muscle fiber, and chemical responses in his body faster than his counterparts. Training has given him balance and endurance.

Oh I'm sorry, you've got his DNA coding laying around somewhere?

Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by getreadyalready

No, his genetics provide fast-twitch muscle fiber, strong tendons with perfect leverage points, balance, storage of key chemicals near his nerve and muscle fiber, and chemical responses in his body faster than his counterparts. Training has given him balance and endurance.

Oh I'm sorry, you've got his DNA coding laying around somewhere?

Really? You're still on this? He is the guy who made the original statement. He says he is black, I've seen him, and I believe him.