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Why Is Child Abuse So Prevalent in 2012?

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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 07:59 AM
reply to post by Threegirls

If an adult male in his 40s engages in self stimulation to completion in the presence of his 9yr old daughter, telling her to 'stay'. Is he guilty of child abuse????? Could that ever possibly be a 'misunderstanding' and could you have sympathy for someone who did that?????

I do try to sympathise with the likes of Henry Kissinger, Dick Cheney, Hitler and other sources of evil, pain and suffering. This does not mean I agree or approve with their actions, but try to understand them. By resorting to hate and anger I become just like them. By learning why things are the way they are, hopefully there will be some answers and solutions. At least it will help prevent me from falling into a similar trap.

I can fully understand how most people are repulsed by such things, rather ignore it and remain spiteful at the topic. It can be quite a sad and depressing place looking for reason when there is so much chaos around. Wars have been started over 'misunderstandings' so do not underestimate the power of this word. On the surface, the situation sounds more like self gratification than respect for the child, but without getting into the situation it is impossible to say what his motivation was. With todays media and internet, the topic of sex education is coming up at a younger an younger age as the culture is adapting to the changing environment.

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:10 AM
reply to post by Amanda5


Psychological damage is from her x husband and child.

The Child is not right in the head and neither is the X.

It's a no wonder where this kid got it from....

Trying to not make assumptions.

But when when you mix two chemicals together that don't mix, you get Oil and Vinegar and that's what's my life is like with her daughter.

The chemical in-between.

I do love kids.

But, I'm sorry.

I can not deal with her kid the way she needs.

Best way to put it.

edit on 2-7-2012 by Manhater because: (no reason given)

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:12 AM
reply to post by kwakakev

Ha ha!!!

Its very funny you should say that because he did claim that he was trying to teach her! Also that the camera in her bedroom was for her protection and the listening devices (all provided to police as evidence) were to monitor her safety.

The girl was treated like she was worthless, was taught that females are for sex and attempted to coerce her into a relationship with one of his friends, in his 50s when she was 14/15. "He will take care of you" HA!!

The incident I described left her feeling shock and sympathy initially. After years of PTSD and many more incidents (different) she was a broken individual. In time and after the dreadful first years after the second childs experience and dealing with the police, she is now stable, strong and empowered. No hate, or anger, a little residual pain due to the reaction of other family members and lack of support. Misses her sister.

Take care when you try to sympathise with such individuals that you do not lose sight of the impact they had on innocents.

edit on 2-7-2012 by Threegirls because: To add point

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:12 AM
reply to post by kwakakev

I think you're way out in left field there. The feel-good attitude about a serious sexual offense is a little too comfortable for you, particularly in light of the fact that the act involved a child.

Your reaction to such offensive behavior is, to say the least, strange.

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:23 AM
reply to post by aaaiii

We have millions of people dying, getting maimed and displaced over lies, this world is strange.

I am trying to be realistic about a difficult situation, it happens a lot, why? how can it be stopped? I have had more than my fair share of pain. will pretending it does not exist make it go away? what does science do when it does not know, it tries to learn and understand.

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:28 AM
The reason we have so much of this is that men do not know how to be men or fathers. I see it every day. Men who have no clue how to be a dad. This leads to messed up kids. Men not knowing what to do or how to do it leads to abuse. There is no class to teach men and if there were men would not go to it because they do not want to appear as clueless as they are. Then there are the laws passed to "protect kids". Kids need whipping. ALL of them do and it does not hurt them permanently. It is good for them. I have only known one kid who was never whipped. He is the most arrogant, backward, coddled, sissyfied, and entitled person I know. He needed beat and beat often as a kid. He is 20 now and still acts 14. And God help you if you criticize him. His family believes he can literally do no wrong. When I was dating his mother I stated he would have to pay rent to live with us and if he did not he would be out on his butt. His entire family turned on me. How DARE I force Ray to act like a man. I was no longer welcome around them after that. What they did to that boy was and is abuse. They prevent him from growing up or having any responsibility.

Then there is the other side of the equation. His brother Matt has been talked down to since he was born. The kid was told he was a stupid pussy by his dad nearly every day. That kid has no self confidence at all. He believes he is a stupid pussy and no amount of talking will convince him otherwise. True, the kid is stupid. But you NEVER tell a kid that. EVER. I suspected my youngest son was stupid. He sure did a lot of stupid things and still does. But I have never told him that or called him stupid. In fact, the WORST thing you can do to a kid is put him down and take his confidence away. Despite my youngest son's lack of discernment he believes in himself. So now at 22 years old he is the finance manager for a major car dealer. He makes $5,000 a month while I make $200. That is what you get when your kid knows you believe in him.

But fathers today do not even attempt to make their kids believe in themselves. They put them down and ignore them and then act surprised when their kids go out and commit crimes. It has to stop, but it never will because kids treat their kids the way they were treated and pass this "disease" on to the next generation.

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:33 AM

Originally posted by kwakakev
Child abuse is not new, being going on for a very long time with the slavery trade just one common example. With increased communications more of it is coming to light. There has always been a tendency for some to exert their will over others, it is how civilisation is structured. As for parents beating there kids, it was just common practice with my grandparents, part discipline part frustration. As for some of the more extreme ritualistic and sexual abuse, family tradition, exploitation and control are some of the common factors when looking into it.

I know this is a pretty hard topic to deal with, when looking deeper the diversity of nature also has a role. There is always a reason for why things are the way they are, it might be complex or not make a lot sense at times. The way I see it, for evolution to adapt and improve on the current situation it must try many different things. A lot of these will fail, but without trying them it will not be able to find the solutions that work. Human desires to inflict pain and conflict are very old and expressed in many ways for many reasons. God maybe a bastard at times, but this the only one we have got and the situation.

As for if resolution will be found to these acts comes down to natural selection. There is a lot of strength, education and resilience found in pain if it is done right, there is also a lot of maimed and shattered lives when it is done wrong. As with so many other parts of our life, moderation is key.

You make some interesting comments and for the most part I agree with you. As our modern society becomes more 'engineered' than in the past, definitions evolve. Child abuse has a wider definition these days. I think that is why the rates appear to be increasing.
The OP didn't provide any empirical data to support the claim.

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:48 AM
reply to post by Ookie

I beg to differ.

My dad is a man and knows how to be a father.

My dad, is Mr. Mom.

Some people would wish to have my dad.

He is one of those guys, that would give anyone, anything in the world, whether you were a child of his or not.

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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:05 AM
reply to post by Threegirls

Take care when you try to sympathise with such individuals that you do not lose sight of the impact they had on innocents.

Take care when you are prepared to look at the deeper and larger social context with some of this abuse

It is an unpleasant, disturbing and bumpy ride as everyone was innocent at one time.

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:50 AM
reply to post by kwakakev

Yes, I am very aware of MK-Ultra and Monarch Programming.

However, not all perpetrators of abuse are victims of abuse and not all victims become perpetrators.

I can assure you that the circumstances I outlined have nothing to do with that sort of mind control.

I have personally examined and considered the history of all parties in this case and the evidence does not support any outside agency being involved.

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 10:15 AM
reply to post by Amanda5

In reference to the abuse of children by the catholic church a law was passed in Ireland a few months back that will imprison ANYONE who withholds evidence from the police about child abuse., of course the church is in uproar because they think that the secrecy of confession superceeds this law, when in fact this law was created to catch these animals hiding behind the laws of the church. The catholic church(the biggest and most organised pedo ring in the world)desroyed the lives of 100s of thousands of lives of children and when the pedos where brought to light, the church just sent them away, guess where too? This is the article below:
You should do some research in Aus. if ther is a law like this or not, and if not, I suggest you get the ball rolling for the sake of the children in the future.

P>S: the case of holly craig is in scotland.

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 10:55 AM
reply to post by Threegirls

Mind control is something we are all exposed to, get punished for bad behaviour and rewarded for good behaviour. It is how the mind learns about its environment and we establish the boundaries of our environment and cultural norms. Where distinctions are made between the different forms of mind control is in how extreme the education is. The situation you presented does not have some of the extreme elements involved with Monarch, but it also has some of the elements with the parent or educator trying to guide the victim into a role as a sex slave, a common practice in some parts of the world.

As for MK Ultra, it is on the congressional record until all evidence was claimed to have been destroyed. Without a proper investigation I consider highly likely that such research continued. In trying to make some sense of just what the hell happened with 9/11, Monarch does provide one piece that does fit quite well. I know some of the stories are so disturbing that it is hard to accept, but so is the reality of war and that has the full support of our leadership.

not all perpetrators of abuse are victims of abuse and not all victims become perpetrators.

I do agree with this. But if you grow up in a culture of violence and abuse it is more likely that you will continue such actions, as with child warriors in Africa as one example. If someone has a strong sense of empathy it does make a difference as the victims know full well what it is like and do not want to continue such acts. Others that have not been exposed to such things may fall into ignorance.

I am not here to judge anyone, just trying to put reality into perspective. We can run around forever pulling out weeds, but once we know what makes these seeds grow we stop the problem at its source.

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 11:14 AM
Why is there so much child abuse and other human aberrations?
Read this article:

"Many people will find it difficult to compare human populations to rat populations. Many humans will suffer for that cognitive impairment. "

There are more forms of child abuse than sexual molestation and physical beating.
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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 11:44 AM
In my opinion the story of human development is the story of the increasingly humane treatment of children. Societies that treat their children the best are the strongest and wealthiest societies. If you look back through history, each major step in our advancement as a society was associated with a cultural change regarding the treatment of children.

The people we think of as sociopaths today are people who have, in essence, had the goodness burned out of them by childhood experiences. That being said, some people are born with brain damage that makes them incapable of normal emotions, but for the purposes of this discussion think of them as psychopaths. Sociopaths behave like psychopaths but were made that way by childhood trauma.

We look back in time and wonder how mass armies could have gathered and literally slaughtered each other with spears and swords, how the cruel tyrants of old could have remained in power, how concepts like the teachings of Jesus could have been seen to be radical. The reason for this is that the vast majority of humans were sociopaths, because the vast majority of children were abused.

Flash forward to today, and the mistreatment of children that still exists comes from generational abuse. Kids that are today receiving brain damage from trauma will in turn be lousy people who abuse the next generation. The way forward for us as a society is to totally eliminate, totally stamp out child abuse and ensure that every single child is protected and allowed to reach maturity undamaged. This will be how our society breaks through to the next levels of consciousness, prosperity and happiness.

This will require government action that will be seen by most Americans as infringing on their freedoms. But we must realize that we do not have the right to abuse another, and that anyone who abuses another has voluntarily lost his own right to freedom.

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 12:04 PM

Originally posted by Amanda5
I am commencing this thread to gain an insight into why - in 2012 - as a supposedly advanced society we still have way too much Child Abuse. This thread is meant to be an avenue for people to express their philosophy, thoughts, rationale and confusion.

The fact that you apparently believe that we are an advanced society, might have something to do with why you are unable to reconcile the apparent discrepancy.

Political Ponerology - Reading this document is recommended in the strongest possible terms.

We do not have a society which is advanced in any way whatsoever. We have a society which is governed, and has been designed from the ground up, by psychopaths. We have a certain amount of technology which is moderately advanced, perhaps, (although still infinitely less so than it could be) but advanced technology without an equal measure of maturity regarding its' use, is not really anything other than a means of rapid and effective suicide.

The psychopaths want you to think that we live in an advanced society, primarily in order to divert attention away from themselves; but what you will find, is that the only way you can begin to reconcile what your senses are telling you, with any kind of logic, is to stop believing what we are taught, about the supposedly glorious ingenuity and virtue of humanity.

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 12:17 PM
reply to post by Amanda5

I believe that child abuse has always been prevalent in the world, but you hear more about it nowadays than you ever did when I was a kid. 30 years ago (give or take a year) I was being abused and met a lot of people like myself through the "ring" Even now, I can usually pick all the abused souls out of a crowd, because I know that look we have in our eyes and how impossible it can be to hide all the telltale signs that mark us for life.

Now if we started lining all the sex pests up against a wall and shooting them, just how quickly do you think we'd stop hearing about such abuse? That said however, it would all just go back underground or on to the deepweb.

Child abuse is one of the lowest crimes a human being can commit and (god forgive me) I'd happily kill as many child abusers as I could find.


edit on 2/7/2012 by revmoofoo because: ETA

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 12:48 PM
Though I could get into the nitty gritty of child abuse, who offends, and who suffers, but I think that this is a societal problem.

There was a time that you were not labeled with a number (your age). We allow 18 yrs old's to go to war, but not to drink. We associate children with a number whether they are older due to intelligence or not, we tend to ignore it. Most children are not given enough credit for what they can understand, and many children that have been harmed are ignored due to a "childlike" capacity to understand right and wrong.

You can be 18 and watch porn, but at 17 can go to jail for dating (more then that) with someone one year younger. All that children see today cannot be adhered too, if they are treated one way (as children), and allowed to be very adult the next.

As say that until adults are ready to accept what it is that we allow our children to see and do, we will never be able to protect them.

Peace, NRE.

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 01:11 PM

Originally posted by aaaiii
Child abuse has always been there. The difference is that now we have people to enforce laws that apply to the abusers and the media publicizes these crimes.

Years ago, what was the norm for discipline is now considered criminal.
There are far worse forms of child abuse than just a spanking, or a beating. When I child looses self worth, self value, and are thrown to the dirt emotionally, there life is essentially over. A life ruined for ever.....

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:27 PM
There are many reasons for child abuse, but one I think has not been discussed: the commodification of children. In the beginning of the welfare state, people discovered that producing kids produced welfare checks. Instantaneous slavery then occurred- using a human being to produce unearned wealth. Real love and respect for a child is not possible under those circumstances- the child is a product/tool and nothing more. Kids born to women looking only for child support and alimony are in the same category. The child is instantly de-humanized; it is an object. Parallel to this is the government's deliberate efforts to destroy the family unit, to make children the property of the state. In dozens of ways, the de-humanization of children and the loss of their protection by loving parents occurred. Even in non-exploitative circumstances, children have little relationship to parent/protector. They are put in day care at six weeks of age, then go to school, where they are separated from parents 8-12 hours a day. On the weekends they are in the care of strangers at Little League, church, and many other situations. In short children have no real relationship with parents. The portrayal of children in the media as small, precocious adults, and the ever-worsening depiction of children as sexual objects all create an idea that children do not need protectors, that they are sophisticated enough to negotiate the darker side of the adult world. De-humanization and objectification are pre-requisites to violence. No one will batter a loved child who is respected as a unique individual. An object, baggage, an inconvenience- easy to abuse.

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:32 PM
reply to post by Amanda5

Recently I read an article where a teenage Child was taken - by Police - to deserted swampland and abused, stripped near naked and left - as a lesson about not to throw eggs at cars during halloween. The young lad is too terrified to give evidence so the officers were given practically no punishment. Some of the articles I read beggar belief.

Actually this one sounds like a better punishment than doing the same thing, in a jail cell, with charges, and legal fees, and a life "in the system" afterwards. At least they kept him out of the system.

I think child abuse is at an all-time high, because we have redefined child abuse to be anything that leaves a mark, or anything that some government official might disagree with. In addition to that, we also highly sexualize children in the media, so of course people are going to fall victim to that marketing and act upon it from time to time.

I think it is overly hyped, and is not the rampant problem they claim it is. Statistics show something like 70,000 kids are part of the yearly sex-trade in the US alone. That is ridiculous and untrue. If that were even remotely true, we would all know someone affected by it, and there would be arrests left and right, and it would be on the news every night. There is no way to hide 70,000 kids trafficked into the US, or abducted in the US.

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