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Why Is Child Abuse So Prevalent in 2012?

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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 04:55 AM
I am commencing this thread to gain an insight into why - in 2012 - as a supposedly advanced society we still have way too much Child Abuse. This thread is meant to be an avenue for people to express their philosophy, thoughts, rationale and confusion.

There are no rules with regard to why you think it is a problem. Just be clear about your opinions. What has prompted me to start this thread? I am currently in a situation that legally forbids me to speak of confidential information but I am going to give you all credit for being able to 'join the dots' and use your cognition and intellect to work it out.

I just want to hear from people and maybe you can all enlighten me with methods for ensuring the Police and judiciary system work efficiently to gain justice for Abused Children. At present it seems that the legal systems from a global perspective really do not protect Children.

Reading about Holly - is it Ireland? Reading about how Father Amorth was integral to the action of the recent opening of a tomb within the Vatican - it contained the remains of two people and it means the additional remains could be of an abducted Child, groomed for a paedophile ring. There are many other examples but what I am finding very difficult to understand is why the legal system isn't able to protect the Child.

Recently I read an article where a teenage Child was taken - by Police - to deserted swampland and abused, stripped near naked and left - as a lesson about not to throw eggs at cars during halloween. The young lad is too terrified to give evidence so the officers were given practically no punishment. Some of the articles I read beggar belief.

If you want to ask me questions about my current situation - ask away but I have to keep strict boundaries - I don't want to as I am in absolute agony and want to speak publicly more than anything. I have a counsellor but that doesn't address the criminal system.

Please - speak to me - help me to understand why we and the legal system are so fraught with failings when it comes to protecting Abused Children. Recent news articles where fathers have taken the matter into their own hands - seems to be the only way to properly protect the Children. I know it may not seem right but I am seeking ideas, answers and insight.

Much Peace...while we work through this together...

Much Much the trolls and those related who may not want to take this thread seriously - you have my deepest sympathy - in advance...
edit on 2-7-2012 by Amanda5 because: Grammar correction

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 05:03 AM
Because everything is becoming 'acceptable' - in increments.

Don't believe it? Look around on ATS for heaven's sake... 'Anime' cartoons? Hey, they're not hurting anyone! It's just a cartoon! It's not a real kid that's getting raped! Right! RIGHT!? Porn doesn't hurt anyone! Right! RIGHT!? Of course not. (The morons)...

Because as a society we'll not stand up and DEMAND there are NO SECOND CHANCES for pedophiles. Even with DNA proof criminal rapists of children are STILL let them OUT to repeat offend.

And on and on - basically - yeah - it all boils down to - No one gives a flying *bleep* when it comes right down to it. Not really. Not anymore. Not really.


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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 05:05 AM
reply to post by Amanda5

It makes the god that the USA worships happy. Why is there do much free porn? Why is there so much poverty? Why is there so much drug abuse? Satan likey, that's why.

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 05:12 AM
Seriously, I don't understand why people have kids just to abuse them. Makes no sense.

Just recently we had a father here drown his child in the tub. Poor kid had blunt force trauma, which was the cause of death. Until more details come out I won't speculate whether it was a homicide or accident.

Shaniya Nicole Davis was the worst. Poor little girl. So, adorable. And seems the mom's boyfriend had something to do with her death because he was the last one seen with her, but he like pimped her out.

Just horrible.

I would of adopted Shaniya Nicole Davis.

Her real father shouldn't even be a father. I'm sorry his family passed on with his wife and all but there was no excuse not to give the same attention to this little girl that he gave to his own children, otherwise it would never of happened.

I mean his own kids are living next door to the guy because they don't want to live with him.

Doesn't say much about him if you ask me.

Even though he was innocent in the case.

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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 05:49 AM
Like him, dropping little Davis off at her Mother's [It's wasn't him actually, it was his new wife or girlfriend that dropped this little girl off] I am no better, come to think of it.

I did it too.

After countless months of officers on my doorstep from my own niece, I was to the point, I said, "get into the car your going to your dad's." Because that's what she wanted for the whole 8 months of acting out. To be with her dad.

And in my eyes, if you want to beat on someone, you can beat on someone your own size, which is her father. Not her mother. She doubles the size of her mother.

After 3 months, now she wants to come back. She's refusing to leave the hospital and will hit anyone that comes into paths with her. Just, so she can stay in the hospital and not have to live with her dad.

And, I can't bring myself to let her come back. After her destruction to my home, and after immeasurable pain on her mother. I'm in fear of her mother and in fear of officers being called on a daily basis.

She's a Mamma's little girl. I understand that. I'm a Daddy's little girl. But I can not take the beatings from this child when things don't go her way.

She's in a hospital at the moment, and until she gets a full neurological work up, I don't want her here.

The neurological workup should of been done ages ago in my own opinion, I don't think it would be this bad if it had gotten done well before hand.

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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 06:37 AM
Children are abused in many forms, not just sexually.

I guess some people like to hurt innocent and defenseless people...
These are the people that would hurt and kill a lot if they were not scared to be caught, a lot of people are against life, they cant stand life, god, existence, people, so they have a destructive behavior.

These people need a lot of work to accept and love life, its the only way to make them sane humans again.

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 06:38 AM
There are many factors at play when it comes to child abuse and the judicial system. In some cases the adults are simply selfish and phychopathic in others they are sadistic.

The judicial system suffers when 'witnesses' believe the child has more understanding and culpability than is possible and they have too much sympathy for the perp. I am sick of hearing people saying things like "it's just a misunderstanding" or simply refusing to believe a child because they are afraid of being alone and everyone knowing that their partner 'likes' children.

I really do think society is seeing children as 'young adults' maybe because children on tv are portrayed as being so mature and competent in many cases. The truth is that adults are becoming less concerned with protecting their children and want to blame anyone else when a child is harmed.

I see it all around where I live, young children out till very late and this area is regularly targeted by pedos. I am apparently 'over protective' of my kids, I don't care what these people say because I am giving my kids the tools to be able to protect themselves namely awareness of the dangers and methods of avoiding vulnerability or action they can take if they targeted.

I have a question, please answer this. It keeps me awake at night.
If an adult male in his 40s engages in self stimulation to completion in the presence of his 9yr old daughter, telling her to 'stay'. Is he guilty of child abuse????? Could that ever possibly be a 'misunderstanding' and could you have sympathy for someone who did that?????

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 07:02 AM
reply to post by Manula

It's just not the adults though.

It's kids too, nowadays.

Which is scary.

I've never had to deal with this situation before, not until my sister moved in with her child. I said, Okay. I can handle this.

But, you are never prepared with a crazy child acting out aimlessly.

Least I wasn't.

I was literally calling 911 ready to about kill myself.

I didn't know if I could even make it through school or not. 4.0 school average shot to hell. Just barely passed. My GPA is now around a 3.8.

I know my sister and her daughter is very upset with my decision.

But, I was to the to the point of, What else do you want me to do?

But, I sure am done with the BS.
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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 07:08 AM
Child abuse is not new, being going on for a very long time with the slavery trade just one common example. With increased communications more of it is coming to light. There has always been a tendency for some to exert their will over others, it is how civilisation is structured. As for parents beating there kids, it was just common practice with my grandparents, part discipline part frustration. As for some of the more extreme ritualistic and sexual abuse, family tradition, exploitation and control are some of the common factors when looking into it.

I know this is a pretty hard topic to deal with, when looking deeper the diversity of nature also has a role. There is always a reason for why things are the way they are, it might be complex or not make a lot sense at times. The way I see it, for evolution to adapt and improve on the current situation it must try many different things. A lot of these will fail, but without trying them it will not be able to find the solutions that work. Human desires to inflict pain and conflict are very old and expressed in many ways for many reasons. God maybe a bastard at times, but this the only one we have got and the situation.

As for if resolution will be found to these acts comes down to natural selection. There is a lot of strength, education and resilience found in pain if it is done right, there is also a lot of maimed and shattered lives when it is done wrong. As with so many other parts of our life, moderation is key.

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 07:16 AM
reply to post by Amanda5

Yes, while you're all screaming blue murder towards those who circumcise their baby sons......

babies and children are dying at the hands of their parent/s, perverts & paedofiles - while others are kidnapping them for the sex slave trade by the hundreds of thousands worldwide.

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 07:19 AM
Child abuse has always been there. The difference is that now we have people to enforce laws that apply to the abusers and the media publicizes these crimes.

Years ago, what was the norm for discipline is now considered criminal.

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 07:25 AM
Thank you everyone who has participated so far. I watched a television show tonight here in Australia that as shocking to watch and listen to but I stayed with the program - imagining that the Children had to survive their abuse however some committed suicide so they didn't survive.

For anyone who is interested - the channel is ABC and the program is called Four Corners. By the end of it I was furious. I was furious because it became apparent to me that the Catholic church do not report Child Abuse to the Police.

Is it my imagination or does the Catholic church live in a different society where its members are not subject to the legal system just like everyone else? I cannot understand how the legal system isn't applied to members of the clergy and why senior church officials try to keep everything in house. If there is nothing to fear then subject all members of all clergies to the same legal processes as everyone else.

A Child who has been abused will continue to suffer - in a myriad of ways - until they share their pain with an adult who will help them through the memories of the abuse. Abuse just festers inside and until the poison is out the abuse will manifest in any number of ways.

Thank you again everyone and keep the comments and conversations coming I am not feeling so alone with my situation. The simple fact that others see the abuse - the after effects and the inadequate legal systems will provide the fuel I need to continue with my current journey. Just keep in mind I am the person who followed my training - did the right thing and obeyed the law and have had my life completely derailed on every aspect. Child Abuse cannot be ignored and swept away - I want it in the public arena in all its ugly repugnant nakedness - so that the legal system cannot ignore the mess they have made.

Thank you everyone - I know I am ambiguous but you have helped me in ways you cannot understand until further along in time when I can speak freely.

Much all those who are in pain...

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 07:31 AM
I'm just curious of where the parent abuse is?

You want to make it all about children. I'm all for it.

But, you also need to make a side with the parent.

Just saying.

I look at both aspects.

And, my sister wouldn't be acting the way she does, if it wasn't for her crazy kid.

Where's the parent's abuse?

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 07:33 AM
reply to post by Threegirls

To answer your question about the scenario you described - I would have reported that as psychological harm. Here in Australia there is an aspect of abuse that is relative to the psychological damage of witnessing an event even if there was no physical contact. If a Child is present at a domestic - any domestic it is an automatic notification to DOCS (Department of Community Services). I was always thorough - even a sleeping baby who didn't wake up during a domestic - it is law to make an automatic report. I always checked on the Child/Children no matter what.

As former Police officer I would have thought that scenario was enough for Police to remove the Child as the Child was in a position of potential harm. Reactive Policing is where you act after the event but being Pro-active is an integral part of Police training - at least it was when I was a Police Student.

Hope that answers your question and I hope the Child in question is safe.

Much Peace...

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 07:39 AM
reply to post by bluemirage5

Yes - Child Abuse comes in many forms and we as a society allow far too much to go on unchecked. When we all vent our observations and push through the anger and pain I imagine we can then push towards repairing or rebuilding a proper societal legal structure that will actually protect Children and not the abuser.

Keep venting - it means you are paying attention and you are still using your intellect and cognitive abilities and you still have a conscience. You are also telling me I am not alone.

Much Peace...

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 07:42 AM
reply to post by Amanda5

As yourself being a former PO.

The psychological aspect toll that a child has done to a parent in my particular case.

She won't do nothing.

That is, all day unless told too.

Only thing she does something, is when she gets paid or has Meds to pick up.

That is what her daughter has done to her.

[I made it, where she has no one to beat on her at all, but she calls her abusers daily]

Like she's missing some soap opera.

I don't get it.

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 07:49 AM
I think child abuse is less prevalent than in the past, as is the case with most crimes. People just hear more about it due to increased media publicity, world-wide information sharing and better law enforcement uncovering more cases.

reply to post by silo13

Don't believe it? Look around on ATS for heaven's sake... 'Anime' cartoons? Hey, they're not hurting anyone! It's just a cartoon! It's not a real kid that's getting raped! Right! RIGHT!? Porn doesn't hurt anyone! Right! RIGHT!? Of course not. (The morons)...

Right. Anime cartoons and related fiction is indeed not hurting anyone. There is nothing moronic about that..

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 07:49 AM
reply to post by Manhater

That to me sounds like psychological damage. When a family is fractured and parents separate the Children can handle it many ways - some cope and some don't. Depends on how the parents shared the news with the Children about the split. Imagine if you are in a family situation and you come home from school one day and everything is different - Children will internalise what they don't understand.

Also realise that Children do not have the vocabulary of an adult so they probably agonise - internally about what is going on but can't find the words. Even if your dad was the worst dad in the world - he is still just dad in the eyes and mind of a Child. Just think of abused women who continually return to abusive partners - it takes time and healing to understand that abuse is not love and never will be.

As long as you tried and are still trying to do the best for all concerned - including you - know that you are a million miles ahead of people who do nothing. To me it seems as though you have a conscience - hang on to it.

Much Peace...

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 07:49 AM
reply to post by Amanda5

Thank you, appreciate that. She suffered 7/8 more years of different types of abuse mostly psychological, little physical contact. She then at 17 years went into a domestic violence care facility. After 6 months after receiving assurances of safety she returned to the father accompanied by her partner. The incidents were left in the past. She moved out got married started her own family.

The father re-married and 6 years after their child (daughter) was born his partner revealed an incident which rang alarm bells. The father was exposing himself to the child and inviting physical contact. On hearing this it was after many months of internal struggle due to what had happened during her own childhood, she reported it to the police.

The case was investigated minimally and dropped.

The first daughter has not seen the second daughter for a very long time but hopes that reporting it prevented the second daughter from suffering further.

Much love and good luck with your case.
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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 07:56 AM
reply to post by Threegirls

I have the belief that as long as you do something - it all helps. Doing nothing is what is required for situations to get worse. It sounds as though the second daughter took a leap of courage and even though it amounted to nothing - she made a difference.

I am Teacher now and I always explain to Students that if they don't try they have already failed. I also explain that when you get every answer wrong - you are learning by negation and that means you are learning more than the people who get it right first time - you know the right way and the wrong way - you have not failed just learned a different way.

Thank you for the support - I know deep down inside I will win.

Much Peace...

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