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Whom exactly is TPTB? or Who do you think is TPTB?

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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by steve1709
reply to post by Manhater
 


G'day manhater

Thanks for asking the question. Have you noticed that there are a lot of answers that are really NON answers? It sort of shows that maybe some people are really only worried about the ficticious "they". In other words, some people seem to THINK there must be a group or just go along with everybody else but don't really have a clue if there are TPTB or not. Just a thought. My answer is .... I have no idea. So sorry I can't help you out.


I'm going with this answer, but I'll go one step further and state that TPTB are the good guys and you people are fantasizing about a group of shallow materialists that have more power vested in your fantasies than any short termed and irrelevant gains they have managed.

They are the good guys are not the short lived profiteers. They are established because they are able understand the way this universe works. They are unconcerned about the types of corruption you all get hung up on because they are not fooled and they see the bigger picture. The hierarchy is based on what your level of evolution is. At the top is the Christ (by definition), or Buddha etc. Okay, you see where I'm taking this!

In the old days we used to believe that people in powerful positions were respectable. We thought that God was in control. Nowadays we believe anything but that. We think it is the work of evil and the have's got there by stealing from the have-not's and we point fingers at whoever is the most successful.

If indeed TPTB wanted to pull down the cash cow they would. If they don't, then there are still lessons to learn. It seems pretty obvious that people judging their fictitious enemy are basing their actives on their own level.

Apologies for the tangent but does anyone realise that the people pointing fingers are somewhat socialists, suggesting that having money is evil? I wouldn't bring this up, but I suspect the same people are against socialism. The rot sinks in. If you hate something you give it power. If you invent something to hate you create your own enemy.

The enemy you create can't be strong so don't worry. TPTB have got your back.

If anyone understands where I'm coming from, I recommend you look at what people say and test in your mind that the exact opposite may be true. In this world of hype where people want something for nothing, the enemy we have is the most popular one. If someone linked the answers to 'life the universe and everything' it would absolutely, definitely go unnoticed. People are not evolved enough to see what's in front of their faces (and always was). You should not let the hopelessness get you down. Once you realise that the universe is beyond anything we might think, create or fear you'll get the rumblings of what is going on.

Who is the most powerful man in the world.. ? The one that sees life through his soul, who can see past the veil.




posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:35 PM
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International bankers



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by Manhater
I don't believe in this nonsense.

What you DO believe is FAR worse than the truth which you have been deceived into believing to be "nonsense".

WHY? Because it is LIES... NEVER forget that.

LIES are designed to CONTROL you, the very fact that you DON"T believe the TRUTH is a warning to heed.

When OWS began I started studying the “TRUTH” movement only to discover that it is anything BUT truth… Many have completely devoted themselves to researching who is really controlling and ruling this world. The problem is that like every one of us on this planet, they have been so deluded and blinded by the massive amount of disinfo.


What if everything you believed was a lie?

What if you woke up tomorrow and everything you had thought was true was a deception? A deception formed by people that stood to profit from your ignorance. Not just on one small area but every facet of your existence. Would you want to know? Or, would you be content with the life you had before you discovered the truth? Could you close your eyes and act as if nothing ever happened? What if you could see the ways that you have been deceived and the way that those that came before you were made to believe a lie? How valuable would the truth become? Would it make you change your habits? your routines? the way you talk or think or speak? Would it impact you or would you brush it off and carry on with business as usual?

What if after waking up you decided to respond to that truth? What if you started studying history and world events and, like a string of pearls, events were no longer random but contained a sequence? What if that sequence was repeating? What if while studying these events they began to seem familiar? LINK


"Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroys information, and religions destroy spirituality." ~ Michael Ellner




The Illuminati are behind ALL world events, including WARS:


The Synagogue of Satan

One group and one group alone is responsible for virtually all wars and bloodshed on the face of this planet. This evil cabal is few in numbers but, like a deadly octopus, its tentacles reach out to grip and strangle untold multitudes of innocent victims. The initiates of every secret society and internationalist organization, from the Council on Foreign Relations and the Jesuits to the Bilderbergers and the Order of Skull & Bones, obey the dictates of this sinister group and tremble when standing before its leaders.

The cabalist group I refer to is the Synagogue of Satan, an ancient, yet modern, elite so politically powerful and so fabulously wealthy that even past history has been twisted, reshaped, and revised to meet its preferred version of humanity's gloomy, totalitarian future.

Religious in nature, the Synagogue of Satan is, at its essence, a grotesque, satanic cult. It's high council is composed of High Priests of Lucifer; these are men who literally worship death while practicing sexual magick and occult rituals of the blackest nature. LINK



"The goal of the Illuminati is to destroy Christianity and Western civilization. Illuminati worship lucifer and teach that Jesus is a myth. How can you be so blind as to the irony and absolute deception of this?"



"Ultimately, the New World Order is about replacing the rule of God with the rule of Lucifer. That's why "God" has become a dirty word."
Henry Makow PhD



21 Goals & Purposes of the Illuminati:

15) To export "religious liberation" ideas around the world so as to undermine all existing religions, but more especially the Christian religion.

"Conspirators' Hierarchy - The Committee of 300" by Dr. John Coleman (a former MI6 agent)


The Ring of Power videos have a lot of good info but there are a LOT of holes and more lies than truth. "Ring of Power" Grace Powers thinks Jesus is the son of Julius Caesar and God is not a person

I need to put out a BIG WARNING before you watch this documentary. Be extremely critical to the information. There are a ton of good factual bits that is very interesting but they leave out big parts of the information. Also everything is extremely biased. Realize it's produced to manipulate you. This documentary is pure propaganda!



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by cosmicman

EVERY THING IS OK!!!

STAY ASLEEP.
STAY SCARED.
STAY DIVIDED.
STAY DOCILE.
THANK YOU!

Your goverment is in control.

Operation Mind Seed

I think if you start off with this video so that they can hear it straight from them slime bags, you can then build on it with more information and they won't be able to say that the NWO is not real and is not at the top of the agenda of the political figures simply because they are hearing THEM talk about it and not just you and "some conspiracy theorist" as they like to address them as.... this is why I still feel this is the best introductory video out there....

Best NWO video for non-believers





Originally posted by timewalker
If you can't tell by the comments so far, It is very hard to try to get people to see things they either don't believe in, are scared of, and goes against everything they have been taught.

People have to put things together for themselves. They have to see hard evidence that makes them start asking questions about what they believe.

I will use a couple of cliches, a person convinced against their will is unconvinced still, and the only thing that really changes a person is a significant emotional event.

They have to be shocked by themselves.

You can throw little tidbits, but make sure they are something they can put their finger on and not dismiss it as lunatic fringe.

I think a good start is something that can't be explained is interesting, not scary, and could make people start asking questions on their own. When they start Googling on their own, your break in period is over.

Remember - some people like it just the way things are, don't forget that. Know when to not push your beliefs on someone.

How do i wake up mom and dad?





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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:47 PM
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Unfortunately, I am on satellite uplink for internet so watching videos is not an option for me at the moment. But you have given me some juicy stuff to watch when I get home - can't wait.

Off Topic - you are making my voting decision really difficult - I pledged alligence to the witty purple bird, now what am I supposed to do?

You are as sharp as a tack my friend.




posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 09:53 PM
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First thing's first; I actually don't like the term 'the powers that be', especially the abbreviation. & I find the overuse of it becomes redundant and vague. However, there's more than mountains of evidence pointing towards the "theory" that a group of elites revel in domination of the species; this is why throughout history tyranny in many forms eventually shows itself. It's a FACT that many people, particularly psychopaths & other narcissistic breeds, live for the purpose of dominating other humans on a mass scale. If you do not accept this fact then you're blind in this regard, and will not be able to comprehend anything else that goes more in-depth.

Truth is, the answers are not so evident; they are and they aren't. When/if you decide to get past your prejudices; perhaps take some time to research human history, the rise and fall of civilizations, psychology, political science (systems) & its many trending roles. Monarchies, dictatorships, oligarchies; a state that knows no bounds; religious enslavement, exploitation of human weakness through fear, propaganda & superstition. These and many more comprise the tools of "tptb". These tools are employed consistently as history has shown, and if you believe it's changed a bit just because we're living in the 21st century.... then you're just as naive as those who thought the authority burning heretics were rational.


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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 10:14 PM
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Royal Dutch Shell
Lafarge
Colas group
Terus construction



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 10:24 PM
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I haven't a clue who TPTB are. I know it isn't our government, they are pawns of TPTB. It doesn't much matter to me who they are, I know they exist. They haven't really bothered me so I guess they are all right as far as I am concerned.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by rickymouse
I haven't a clue who TPTB are. I know it isn't our government, they are pawns of TPTB. It doesn't much matter to me who they are, I know they exist. They haven't really bothered me so I guess they are all right as far as I am concerned.




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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by Sublimecraft
reply to post by IpsissimusMagus
 


Unfortunately, I am on satellite uplink for internet so watching videos is not an option for me at the moment. But you have given me some juicy stuff to watch when I get home - can't wait.


I must admit I am somewhat of a youtube conspiracy junkie. I spent the better part of two years watching different videos daily in my spare time.

I agree with the post by Murgatroid that the video "Ring of Power" has some biased view points. I disagree that it is pure propaganda though. They certainly are focused on Zionists and it might come off as being slightly anti-Semitic. It does, however, cover a large time span of history from a different perspective than is traditionally taught.


Originally posted by Murgatroid

The Ring of Power videos have a lot of good info but there are a LOT of holes and more lies than truth. "Ring of Power" Grace Powers thinks Jesus is the son of Julius Caesar and God is not a person

I need to put out a BIG WARNING before you watch this documentary. Be extremely critical to the information. There are a ton of good factual bits that is very interesting but they leave out big parts of the information. Also everything is extremely biased. Realize it's produced to manipulate you. This documentary is pure propaganda!


As with most good conspiracies, the truth has been intertwined with lies and falsehoods. The lines of fact and fiction are blurred and misinterpreted often. It is always up to the individual to take the information presented with a grain of salt and discern for themselves what they choose to believe. They should always try to do their own fact checking and verify the information given.

There is a lot of information to absorb. I recommend viewing the video in segments. I don't expect anyone to watch the whole 5 hours in one sitting. But 30 minutes to an hour a day is a good way to tackle it.


Originally posted by Sublimecraft

Off Topic - you are making my voting decision really difficult - I pledged alligence to the witty purple bird, now what am I supposed to do?

You are as sharp as a tack my friend.



Thank you for the kind words. You obviously have good taste and are a highly intelligent person.

There is no rule that says you can not vote for more than one person in this experiment.



I have a few more recommended videos for any one who wants to go deeper down that proverbial rabbit hole. These videos are long and are not recommended for those with a short attention span.

BBC - "The Century of the Self"




www.youtube.com...

Adam Curtis' acclaimed series examines the rise of the all-consuming self against the backdrop of the Freud dynasty.

To many in both politics and business, the triumph of the self is the ultimate expression of democracy, where power has finally moved to the people. Certainly the people may feel they are in charge, but are they really? The Century of the Self tells the untold and sometimes controversial story of the growth of the mass-consumer society in Britain and the United States. How was the all-consuming self created, by whom, and in whose interests?

The Freud dynasty is at the heart of this compelling social history. Sigmund Freud, founder of psychoanalysis; Edward Bernays, who invented public relations; Anna Freud, Sigmund's devoted daughter; and present-day PR guru and Sigmund's great grandson, Matthew Freud.

Sigmund Freud's work into the bubbling and murky world of the subconscious changed the world. By introducing a technique to probe the unconscious mind, Freud provided useful tools for understanding the secret desires of the masses. Unwittingly, his work served as the precursor to a world full of political spin doctors, marketing moguls, and society's belief that the pursuit of satisfaction and happiness is man's ultimate goal.




Michael Tsarion's - "The Irish Origins of Civilization"
Part 1 of 6



www.youtube.com...

Michael Tsarion discusses the historical significance of ancient Ireland and takes us on a truly fascinating journey through time, from the Emerald Isle to Egypt and back again full circle. Along the way we are introduced to the Druids and also to their destroyers, the Atonists. We discover the origins of the world's most powerful secret societies and the New World Order they labor to create. We discover secret facts about the royal dynasties of Britain and Europe, the Empire of Rome, and about Masonic influence in America.

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posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 07:50 AM
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Read my reply, it is Rome

Now quite who the current emperor/priest king is, is open to debate, but it is Rome. Its funny how you mention the religious aspect, if we think about it, the Queen is head of the Anglican Church, her cousins in Russia were heads of the Orthodox church, you can see where this is going? The problems is these churches accept that they are divine by blood ie decendants of Jesus, Mohammed, King David, Solomon etc. There is 2 Royal houses, I cant remember which that still claim Solomon, I think it is Ethiopia and the Georgian one which also make the best claim to the Romanov crown. The savoy bloodline is one of the claimants to "King of Jerusalem" as per the crusades. etc etc

"The world will never be free until the last King is strangled with the entrails of the last priest"
-Voltaire
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posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 09:48 AM
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Boy CTers really love to bury people in irrelevant information.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 09:57 AM
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Rome has nothing to do with it. The only way to influence the world now is through money, and who has a load of money? Royalty and friends of royalty. If there is any family that can be said to control behind-the-scenes development, it's the European lines of descent.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 10:01 AM
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You should wait for more than two pages of answers to appear before suggesting that people don't know how to answer a question, or even implying that there IS no answer. Not everyone is online at once...give them a chance to bounce back.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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Rome has nothing to do with it. The only way to influence the world now is through money, and who has a load of money? Royalty and friends of royalty. If there is any family that can be said to control behind-the-scenes development, it's the European lines of descent.


Look to the establishments that have persisted longest through time.
The roman catholic church and the british empire are both worldwide
establishments that have endured longer than any. And rome moved base
to england before the 'collapse' of the roman empire. The nazis (subservient to rome)
didn't die. They just took a break (from the foreground).



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by trustnothing
 


Rome has nothing to do with it. The only way to influence the world now is through money, and who has a load of money? Royalty and friends of royalty. If there is any family that can be said to control behind-the-scenes development, it's the European lines of descent.


You might want to do a little research on the amount of wealth the Vatican has acquired.

The Vatican Billions - 2000 years of wealth accumulation


Bankers' best guesses about the Vatican's wealth put it at $10 billion to $15 billion. Of this wealth, Italian stockholdings alone run to $1.6 billion, 15% of the value of listed shares on the Italian market. The Vatican has big investments in banking, insurance, chemicals, steel, construction, real estate. Dividends help pay for Vatican expenses and charities such as assisting 1,500,000 children and providing some measure of food and clothing to 7,000,000 needy Italians. Unlike ordinary stockholders, the Vatican pays no taxes on this income

Read more: www.time.com...



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 05:33 PM
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So...destroy Rome, and the Illuminati is history? I knew the Vatican relied upon Rome, but I'm not sure how the Vatican is connected to the Illuminati...
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posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 05:59 PM
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As was stated in some of the videos and other posts here. The Vatican is part of a larger network of power. That is divided between three cities.

The Vatican is the base for religious power and control. The Crown or inner city of London is the base for monetary power and control. And Washington DC is the base for military power and control. These three cities are known as the Empire of the City. These cities combined with the mainstream media and educational system make up the major part of this network.




Watch this video for more





posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by trustnothing
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Read my reply, it is Rome

Now quite who the current emperor/priest king is, is open to debate, but it is Rome. Its funny how you mention the religious aspect, if we think about it, the Queen is head of the Anglican Church, her cousins in Russia were heads of the Orthodox church, you can see where this is going? The problems is these churches accept that they are divine by blood ie decendants of Jesus, Mohammed, King David, Solomon etc. There is 2 Royal houses, I cant remember which that still claim Solomon, I think it is Ethiopia and the Georgian one which also make the best claim to the Romanov crown. The savoy bloodline is one of the claimants to "King of Jerusalem" as per the crusades. etc etc

"The world will never be free until the last King is strangled with the entrails of the last priest"
-Voltaire
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Churches are a facade and church members are in spiritual kindergarten. The true rulers are completely unconcerned with all your protestations and are guilty of none of the things accredited to TPTB, yet in the end they will rule out, but the highest of them is serving God god and cares nothing for the vices that every single contribute here seems hopelessly obsessed by.

In short, carry on with all the Hoo Har you can muster, but the real TPTB are not concerned about how wrong you are. You are not capable of understanding what is really happening and they know it. Some of you are only human by definition anyway.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 10:43 AM
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So TPTB are aliens but still serving god? Or were you referring to some kind of ascended being of light or something? Perhaps demons communicated with via channelling? what name would you give this God they are serving?



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