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Whom exactly is TPTB? or Who do you think is TPTB?

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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 01:52 PM
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Roman Empire, although it stretches further back to Bablyon I guess. Its a system of total tyranny.

We are approching Rome's 4th Reich, Caesar was first. Rothschild are in fact descendants of Teutonic Royal knights I believe, before the name Baeur was Maher, Maher Ra and Ra

The Nazi SS had to have a proven lineage to Teutonic knights to be admitted. Royals themselves are essentially Rome in most cases, almost all western kings were servents of Rome, the exceptions being the Scots and English crowns. Although this was many hundreds of years back and the situation has since changed.

The City of London which controls the world financially and legally via their Bar of which the US Bar association is a franchise, is Rome and obeys Roman Lex Fori law the same as Washington Dc and the Vatican also.

I would guess Rome is headed by either the pope or perhaps the black pope by now, though it may be an empress, namely QEII however I am on the fence whether she is the crown or indeed the Crown Corporation is so perhaps there is someone else in the shadows we still do not even know of? We cannot find out as the City of London is independant of the UK.

The illuminati is the Church/Roman empire in my opinion, they were founded by a Jesuit and their single aim was to get the holy land back where the crusades had failed. Illuminati symbology is all over Christian Churches. If you remember the knights templar wealth was confiscated by James I and given to the Knight of Malta. They were both sister organisations anyways

It is often said Jews run hollywood yet some of the most senior persons are knights of malta.

The church control things via their secret societies Knights of Malta etc etc. Skull and Bones which controlled your previous president and many before was founded by the Russell family who were aristocrats from England though devout Catholics so servants of Rome in my view.
They are famous for their opium trading and alleged to be 1 of the 13 so called illuminati bloodlines. I would agrue that all these bloodelines are servants of Rome and their endgame is installing the 4th Reich aka NWO aka 1 world governent.

At some point during our lifetimes the pope/chosen king will move to the palace in Jerusalem and rule from there, probably once the middle east has been made a safer place via the war on terror and obliteration of all opponents.
This palace in East Jerusalem was granted during the Oslo accord, they are just working out the details between the 3 main faiths I have read, the pope even attended muslim prayer and stood facing mecca though the official line from the church at this time was he was meditating not praying, but it is a highly symbolic gesture none the less and a sign of things to come.

Here is some nice pics of "illuminati" symbolism in the Church, also in some cases the Orthodox ones too.
www.whale.to...

When you think about it Bill Clinton had to be baptised before he would be allowed to do their work did he not? I would personally have chosen my religion before becoming the "Most powerfull man in the world"

There is also some stong links between the JFK assassination and various, high ranking Jesuit and Catholics. Kennedy was in my opinion trying to halt the NWO, of course it was the CIA who pulled the trigger as we know from E Howard Hunts confession.

But yeah, in my view its ROME

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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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You want a clear cut answer? Here's one: TPTB are the only people who can really control the movements and motivations of the government, the only people who can control what lives or what dies, the people who control the resource that powers every project and dream on Earth.

The Moneymen. The people who have tons of money, have their hands in every cookie jar, and influence the political players by funding their campaigns, thereby ensuring loyalty when the opportunity arrives to take advantage. The people with billions in their Swiss accounts and islands in the Caymans, with an interest in politics and business...those are TPTB.

Not all of them, mind you. Some of them. But I guarantee that most, if not all, of TPTB are among these wealthy connoisseurs of political/social/financial intrigue. And any who are not, are of very great use to the future of these people and their plans.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by Manhater

Originally posted by seenavv

Originally posted by Manhater
Well, technically. It was both.

I don't believe in this nonsense.

But if you do, okay by me..


your name clearly fits your attitude

it's only nonsense for those who haven't done the research


I only have so much time on my hands, between school and work. Besides mowing my yard and keeping up with the house alone.

You want me to watch a 5 hour to a 6 hour long video for Christ sake. But you won't tell me nothing about it.. So, why should I watch it in the first place?

It's not giving me credited hours.

Like really dudes. Come on.

I can't do everything.

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edit on 2-7-2012 by Manhater because: (no reason given)


You asked the question in your own OP. Do you think any proper answers are
attained quickly, simply and concisely?
Break the video up and watch it in segments. There is more proper education
to be found there in hours than at any school you may yet spend years attending.

Please consider changing your screenname. It is unbecoming IMO.
I have done nothing to you to have you hate me.
I am human first (like you), and a man second (unlike you).

regards
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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:36 PM
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Gonna have to agree with this. I believe T&C's has a guideline regarding avatars that are threatening or abusive toward any individual or group. I do believe the username "Manhater" falls somewhere under that heading...

To tell the truth, that name has bugged me for some time. I'm glad someone else feels the same.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:46 PM
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Please consider changing your screenname. It is unbecoming IMO. I have done nothing to you to have you hate me. I am human first (like you), and a man second (unlike you). regards



I have to agree with that. If it was a man with the screen name of "woman hater" , there would have been a small war fought online over it already, by female members and male.


I have to give you credit for being much more tolerant and patient, than women can be at times.

Nothing personal manhater , but you might want to consider taking that advice .

So back to who TPTB are.. and how they operate using the levels below them to do their manipulating and bidding.


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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by OutonaLimb
 


Gonna have to agree with this. I believe T&C's has a guideline regarding avatars that are threatening or abusive toward any individual or group. I do believe the username "Manhater" falls somewhere under that heading...

To tell the truth, that name has bugged me for some time. I'm glad someone else feels the same.


Whatever,

What have I done to you persay?... In the long time you have been here?

Nothing, that's right.

You people are pathetic.

Trying to ask a simple a question and you make it about your pathetic self.

Yeah, I changed my avatar, so it's not threatening in any way shape or form.

Bet your the fool that runs my work too screaming RAC IST at the top your lungs too.

You annoy me, so why shouldn't I annoy you?

I seriously can't see why ATS would want you, just over my username. Might as well delete yourself now and save yourself the trouble.
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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by Manhater

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by OutonaLimb
 


Gonna have to agree with this. I believe T&C's has a guideline regarding avatars that are threatening or abusive toward any individual or group. I do believe the username "Manhater" falls somewhere under that heading...

To tell the truth, that name has bugged me for some time. I'm glad someone else feels the same.


Whatever,

What have I done done to you persay?... In the long time you have been here?

Nothing, that's right.

You people are pathetic.

Trying to ask a simple a question and you make it about your pathetic self.


Think we all have a tendency to do that at times manhater.

I just want you to be taken more seriously when you do ask questions, that's all.

The user name is definitely a way to put off many members before a question is even raised...so it's really a concern for how you may come across.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:01 PM
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That's why changed the avatar in the first place. Should I change it back to please you guys?

I have no problem with that.

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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:04 PM
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Well to me a big one that the press dares not question is george soros. I think he's right up there as a puppet master.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:05 PM
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Whoever is following the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

The authorship of that book might have been a hoax, but the principles described in it definitely are not.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by Manhater
reply to post by WhisperingWinds
 


That's why changed the avatar in the first place. Should I change it back to please you guys?

I have no problem with that.

edit on 2-7-2012 by Manhater because: (no reason given)


No..do what ever you think is best for you.. and pay attention to the great answers you are getting for your questions.

take care..



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by Manhater

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by OutonaLimb
 


Gonna have to agree with this. I believe T&C's has a guideline regarding avatars that are threatening or abusive toward any individual or group. I do believe the username "Manhater" falls somewhere under that heading...

To tell the truth, that name has bugged me for some time. I'm glad someone else feels the same.


Whatever,

What have I done to you persay?... In the long time you have been here?

Nothing, that's right.

You people are pathetic.

Trying to ask a simple a question and you make it about your pathetic self.

Yeah, I changed my avatar, so it's not threatening in any way shape or form.

Bet your the fool that runs my work too screaming RAC IST at the top your lungs too.

You annoy me, so why shouldn't I annoy you?

I seriously can't see why ATS would want you, just over my username. Might as well delete you now and save yourself the trouble.
edit on 2-7-2012 by Manhater because: (no reason given)

well you tipped the thread over when you admitted this was partly intended to be a troll thread... when your OP appeared to be an honest question....
Not purposely trying to be antagonistic but I think that was pretty rude to tell IpsissimusMagus off and dismiss everything he posted as "nonsense" when you admit you don't even have the time to look at it!



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:11 PM
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So there you have it.

I will change my avatar to Silent Hill.

Not another word.

You guys asked for it.

I can't find it right now.
Amazing.
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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by Manhater
So there you have it.

I will change my avatar to Silent Hill.

Not another word.

You guys asked for it.


Or, you could just ignore the cultural Marxist thought police.

That would probably be my method of dealing with the problem.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by Manhater
So there you have it.

I will change my avatar to Silent Hill.

Not another word.

You guys asked for it.


edit on 2-7-2012 by Manhater because: (no reason given)


c'mon now..don't make promises you won't keep.

Try and look at it with a bit of maturity, and see where some members could be offended.

Also take the advice some have given you, and try to understand some of the answers to your questions in the Op.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:31 PM
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I really could care less, but if need be. I'll put it up.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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My personal opinion is that TPTB are anyone and everyone that cause harm to another human being for their own personal gain. I don't think there is a single membership club that makes up TPTB it is more like a system of dirty rotten greedy personality types all over the world that have worked their way into top positions.

We think there is a round table with 30 rich dudes meeting on how they can screw us over for their own gain and in reality there are board rooms all over the world that do just that.

The system is set-up so that if your "their type" you will make it to the top and if your not...
you just like the rest of us.

I think they only promote the type of person that would eat their own babies and take food off their starving mothers plate. The same personality that would throw food away before giving it to someone that needs it. We need to face the facts that these people in charge only see us as worthless eaters and until we can rid our government and financial system of them it will never change.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 04:51 PM
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You would see differently if the username were Petrushater. Personally, I'm very anti-sexist, so anything that seems sexist is automatically a mark against it. Being male, I feel judged just having a conversation with Manhater.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 04:56 PM
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You people are pathetic.

Trying to ask a simple a question and you make it about your pathetic self.

Yeah, I changed my avatar, so it's not threatening in any way shape or form.

Bet your the fool that runs my work too screaming RAC IST at the top your lungs too.

You annoy me, so why shouldn't I annoy you?

I seriously can't see why ATS would want you, just over my username. Might as well delete yourself now and save yourself the trouble.


I voiced a concern about a legitimate issue, and you are offended at my taking offense? I expressed myself politely and clearly, and this is the maturity I receive? And what work? Racist? You're rattling off accusations and negativity faster than I can defend myself (not that I need to). And now you want to match supposed fault for fault?

I apologize for offending you, although I really don't see the point. Even going so far as to suggest I delete myself...now that's some true intellect on a website for conspiracy theorists. Anyway, I've answered your question, made a helpful suggestion, and been virtually chewed out because of it. I suppose I should slink back into the shadows like the mangy, mouthy mutt I am. Because, of course, you say so.

Sensitivities are afoot, Watson!



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by Manhater

I only have so much time on my hands, between school and work. Besides mowing my yard and keeping up with the house alone.

You want me to watch a 5 hour to a 6 hour long video for Christ sake. But you won't tell me nothing about it.. So, why should I watch it in the first place?


Actually, I listed the entire video description for you.

Maybe you'd prefer watching this 10 hr video instead.

Probably more your speed and you get extra credit.




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