Australia Is A Facist Dictatorship

Originally posted by pravdaseeker
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

Hello PravdaSeeker, and welcome to your new country!! I myself actually live in Brisbane and I LOVE it here, it has everything you could possibly need. I'm not sure if you've visited Brisbane, but it truly is the most beautiful city of Australia and definately the cleanest.
Theres just something about it that I'm sure you will love, it doesn't have as much old architecture as say Sydney or Melbourne, but it has something else. A warm community, like a big country town except with 2 million people. Where else in the world would you expect an ENTIRE city to band together and help everyone out during the Queensland Floods? In Katrina to my knowledge people were left for dead, no one helped anyone else, but Brisbanites stood strong and got stuck into it.


I know Australia is not literally a dictatorship, and is a far-cry from the state of the USA, but I used it in a more hypothetical sense. Australians at the moment, have little control or say over our parliament. Julia Gillard is just refusing to listen to the people, we are calling for an election but our voice is not being heard.
Next November, Labour will end up worse nationally than what happened in the Sunshine State, IMO.

The carbon tax will definately be a bad thing, but its not going to send our country to an early grave. Australia has only surveyed about 0.2% of the Australian landmass for resources, and only about 0.001% of our territorial waters, and the mines that have been surveyed will last for decades, so Australia HAS a golden future ahead of it. Especially since it is the Asia/Oceania region that is developing the fastest, so Australia is also geographically well-placed for the future.

Julia Gillard has stated she wants to turn Australian elections into that of the US, fortunately though Australians are far too egalitarian to accept that bullsh*t.

And I completely agree with you on the gun thing. In 1989 about 60% of Australian households owned a firearm, today that number is about 10%. There are about 2.5 million legal firearms owned by over 800,000 Aussies. However there have been estimates there are between 5-10 million illegal firearms in Australia that were not handed in during the 1999 weapons collection. So households that own guns is probably higher than that figure.

Yes Australia should be able to turn itself around, and the first step to that will come in 2013 when elections return, Julia Gillard has done something no other politician ever could. Her severe unpopularity has united Aussies everywhere.

Can Australia stay neutral in a sh*tstorm? No of course not, we too will be affected just like anywhere else. BUT we are so far away from America and Europe, that the falling debris won't hit us as hard.

Wow only 5-7%!! Thats incredible I had thought most early Americans joined in the war. Australia has never had any "war for independence", and it makes me incredibly proud that we are one of the few nations that was not created under the pretext of a war.

Yeah I can definately see America having major riots pretty soon, could Australia ever have any? Probably not, like I said we are far too egalitarian to have any care for that sort of stuff. In Australia we really have no class system like the US or UK has, take a look at our Aussie Billionaires like Clive Palmer or Gina Rhinehart and see how they talk, act, dress, etc.
They share the same values as normal Aussies except they have a larger wallet, and I remember one political editor was saying Australia is different from the rest of the Western world, our billionaires aren't fat cat wall street bankers, they are miners who regularly give back to the local communities.

Anyway, your most welcome down under. Also when are you arriving and do you personally support the Queen as our head of state?

Originally posted by steve1709
G'day prav

re "Queenslands recent slap in the face to Gillards political party... in the elections might be a sign of the times and begin a big change in your politics?? "

And look at what Camp newman has done already! Knew that would happen but the idiots still voted him and the pathetic libs in.

Why what has Campbell Newman done? I personally do not like him but I voted for the Libs to get us back on track and I believe that is what they are doing.
They are cutting the red tape from the budget and have so far managed to save 200 million in taxpayers money. That deserves an appluase, doesn't it?

reply to post by bluemirage5


I'm an aussie and I'm totally for the Carbon Tax.

It is estimated that the Tax will net 24.5 billion over a three year period. 15.4 billion will come back to workers and households. The remainder will go into green projects, minus 10% to go to the UN.

So freaking what, prices go up a little, but there will be a lot more work within the natural resource industry.

Recently, because of budget cuts and bad spending, Ted Baillieu started axing a whole lot of public service jobs. This included some 450 frontline public service jobs (Firefighters and support staff), across victoria. That leaves Victoria in a very bad position whith the 2012-2013 fire season about to kick off. We have been badly reduced in numbers and need to burn some 120,000 htrs in six short months, as well as fight fires and provide relief for other emergencies.

With part of this tax coming into the NRM industry, there will be more employment oportunities in the near future and less stress on the public service personel.

Problem is, nobody against the tax, actually wants to work.

Most of those against it are un-employed or on other benefits and are worried that their dole check will not cover all the increasing costs.

Tough TITTIES !!!

If the tax creates a whole bunch of new jobs, get of yer butts, go out and get one of them, then you won't feel the pinch at the supermarket...lol

reply to post by Ironclad


This is a response I made on another thread but I will post it here too.

But explain to me why Australia should pay the highest carbon tax in the world, when we produce 0.001% of global emissions and China is building 3 coal plants per week?

It is not only useless for Australia to do this but dangerous in these economic times of uncertainty. If she really wanted to encourage "Green" initiatives by big business then why did she end compensation for businesses who invest in Green technology?

reply to post by Ironclad


Heya all.

I for one am concerned by the Carbon Tax.

The CT is meerly a guise for something more sinister, I feel. Sure - I'm all for change, pulling away from Big Oil industries and such like - but 'climate science' aside, what the Carbon Tax is actually aiming to achieve is ultimately Wealth Redistribution..

- IE; Socialism.

Read: Tax the rich, compensate the poor; bridge the gap between the lower classes and the higher classes.

Don't get me wrong - I am all for welfare. I know many students whom are benefitted by it; I have relatives that are pensioners, etc. What Australia is abundant in, however, are those whom believe that they are entitled to something for nothing - these are the people who make me sick when the tax dollars of hardworking members of scociety wind up in their laps.

But, I digress. My point is - the Carbon Tax is scarecly about the environment; but the matters of the environment have set the perfect segway for it.

Have a think about it - look into how much tax is actually paid by the wealthy in Australia; my father ran some sums for sh*ts a year or two back - something like 2% of the Aus. population contributes to 47% of Tax.

What will motivate the rich to excel if their efforts are for less? Not to mention knowing that they have no say in where what they reap winds up? I'd be mad, too.

-d.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

Out of curiosity have you ever thought about bitching less and actually getting off your butt and doing something about it?

Anyone can complain as its the easiest thing to do when their is a problem.. People dont seem to understand that in order to fix something one must engage and push for solutions.

Get involved.....

If your response is going to be it doesnt matter because your vote doesnt count or some other excuse then why bother to even complain at all?

Why don't you reconsider that comment.

Many complain on ATS, even you. If you bothered to read CrimsonKapital's OP, the information he provides shows that one man can not change the Government. Our leader got top position via a coup ffs.

I see you complain about the anti-Semitists...well, why don't you get of your arse and do something about it? It can work both ways mate.

reply to post by daaskapital


I was wondering when you were gonna show up Daas.

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
reply to post by daaskapital

 

I was wondering when you were gonna show up Daas.

I'm here now

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

Out of curiosity have you ever thought about bitching less and actually getting off your butt and doing something about it?

Anyone can complain as its the easiest thing to do when their is a problem.. People dont seem to understand that in order to fix something one must engage and push for solutions.

Get involved.....

If your response is going to be it doesnt matter because your vote doesnt count or some other excuse then why
bother to even complain at all?

people complain in Australia you must be joking right?

Australians have been brainwashed for years to think they are in the lucky country , they are simply content with what they have.
If you cut there left hand of they will say thank you and say "take the other one".

If what happened to the rudd government happened in other country there would be civil war.

Propaganda goes a long way and because Australia is so far away from everything else it is so easy to manipulate the people into thinking a certain way. Most Australians are so ignorant they have no idea what happens in the world as it is all hidden .

Anyways I can go on for a long time but hey who wouldn't want to live in a country where young kids can't even go to the beach and fish with out getting a hefty fine if they don't have a license to fish or being fined for swearing in a public place while talking with your mates a place where speeding cameras are being put up to make money and not resolving the issue of speeding drivers , how bout that law that stops you from cutting
down a tree from your own back yard , a place where governments are thrown out by rich miners because they wanted to tax them more for using Australian resources. A place that suppreses passion at sporting events and if you show it you are outlawed anti social.

Should I say more!!!!

It's quite simple actually. Truly free democracies stand in the way of world government. The world government WILL NOT be a democracy. So everyone else must be converted away from democracy to accept a global pseudo free communist/fascist dictatorship.

reply to post by CrimsonKapital


I totally agree with you and I think that most Australians would agree with you.

But I want you to remember. Here in Australia it may "appear" that we vote for a person, but we actually vote for a political party aka, Labour, Liberal.

You may say that Julia Gilllard said " I wont implement a carbon tax" and then she back-tracked on her word and went ahead with a carbon tax, BUT she's just the "show"head of the party and does the parties bidding. I have no doubt that that both political parties would lie to get into power by lying about something such as the carbon tax and then actually implementing it.

Our Political parties DO NOT represent the people. They lie to the people who put them into power, and then do what they want as you have seen.

Why we just continue to sit around and let these idiots somehow decide what's best for us is beyond me.

Ha ha ha. You made my day. Your very, very funny...... and not well traveled or able to understand the rest of the word it seems.

Name me one tax the public ever approved.... anywhere?

reply to post by feelingconnected


Thats a really interesting thought regards Rudd and the possibility of his success as an independent.
I wondered myself why he wouldn't. It seemed so obvious, but then i am not privy to the machinations that may prevent that.

reply to post by CrimsonKapital


National referendums on the European Constitution
France No by 55%. 69% turnout.
Netherlands No by 62%. 63% turnout.

In order for the EU Consitution to become active all countries had to agree.

Well guess what, in order to get by that, they just made the referenda non-binding to the final descision.

Did it make a difference? Nope..

Brussels rules us now.

Democracy is a friggin joke.

reply to post by Ironclad

Problem is, nobody against the tax, actually wants to work. Most of those against it are un-employed or on other benefits and are worried that their dole check will not cover all the increasing costs. Tough TITTIES !!! If the tax creates a whole bunch of new jobs, get of yer butts, go out and get one of them, then you won't feel the pinch at the supermarket...lol

what a load of misdirected, unqualified rubbish.
you sir are an ignorant ass.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
I laugh when people start going on about Freedom.
I'm in Australia, right this minute I am free to slack off from work, take a sickie, go to the pub, order a chinese beer while eating asian food, talking about Allah, Jesus, Buddha and wearing any piece of clothing I want.
Im allowed 10 children, 3 dogs, 362 cats and can even put my parents in an old folks home.
I can build a house, own a shop, cut down tree's, buy a car, paint anything i want all from the joy of my own life.
Freedom? you know, if I don’t have freedom them sadly I don’t want or need it, because asking for anything more in life is just being greedy.

You laugh when Australians talk about freedom? Well, there's no difficulty working out why that might be looking at your long elaborate list of Australian Freedoms.

You see, the problem with Australia is, unfortunately for us, not the government. We could handle it if it was. The real problem is that most of us actually believe that this nonsense quoted above constitutes "freedom". I mean, why fight for anything at all when you can still get a beer at the pub and have lots of stupid children, right? Isn't that freedom enough?

There is nothing you can say to people like this (i.e. 90% of aussies) that will open their eyes to the fact that we're f#ed until a few years from now when all those luscious luxuries are taken away from them due to bad government, and by then it will be far too late. The old frog in a boiling pot parable. But what can you really expect from a nation founded by drunken sea-sick convicts? Most other nations were founded by revolution and hence their bills of rights and constitutions, even if they are slowly being ignored and dismantled. What have we got? No rights, no constitution and an ugly history to boot. Oh glory Australia, the land of the free! Let's stick more southern cross stickers on our cars and drink more beer, because we're free to do so!

It's a shame brother, and I agree with you completely, but I feel that our own complacency will bring us down inevitably in the end. You can't help a country full of racist morons who don't see anything wrong with it. I personally don't see an Answer. Those people who say "just get out there and do something about it" - yeah, good idea. How well has that worked out for the USA? Or the UK? Or any other nation on the face of the planet, with the sole (admittedly encouraging) exception of Iceland? And what do you suggest we do? Sit in parks until cops come and beat us out of them? Wave angry signs around? Yell a lot? Enter politics?

The only hope for Australia (or the earth in general) is that a new race of children will be born out of their degenerate parents who yearn to learn and actively seek out good education, because good education isn't going to come to them, and certainly not for free. Knowledge is the only way out of this mess, but knowledge doesn't get you drunk so people just don't seem to give a f#.

Jesus, where does it end? Sometimes I just want to give in and join the herd. Life would be so much easier with my head in the sand. But you and I both know that's not an option. Once you've entered the rabbit hole, the only way out is through the other side, no matter how weird and frustrating the journey.

reply to post by Ironclad


Firstly, I strongly suggest you watch The Bolt Report from Sunday; you can watch it on line.

I've been to a couple of anti-Carbon Tax demonstrations and lo and behold, all those I meet personally were EMPLOYED, have mortgages, young children and were concerned about job security and rising costs of the basic necessities. It's obvious you have'nt been to any demonstation against the Carbon Tax but you're just spouting your mouth off finger pointing at the senior citizens and the unemployed - yes there were some amongst the crowds but not those I met and I met ALOT of people.

The Carbon Tax is THEFT based upon a "scientific" HOAX and JuLIAR Gizzard LIED to the population of Australia!

May I also point out, the 1st of July brought in two new taxes.....

1. Carbon Tax

2. Mining Tax

Originally posted by Ironclad
reply to post by bluemirage5

 

I'm an aussie and I'm totally for the Carbon Tax.

It is estimated that the Tax will net 24.5 billion over a three year period. 15.4 billion will come back to workers and households. The remainder will go into green projects, minus 10% to go to the UN.

So freaking what, prices go up a little, but there will be a lot more work within the natural resource industry.

Recently, because of budget cuts and bad spending, Ted Baillieu started axing a whole lot of public service jobs. This included some 450 frontline public service jobs (Firefighters and support staff), across victoria. That leaves Victoria in a very bad position whith the 2012-2013 fire season about to kick off. We have been badly reduced in numbers and need to burn some 120,000 htrs in six short months, as well as fight fires and provide relief for other emergencies.

With part of this tax coming into the NRM industry, there will be more employment oportunities in the near future and less stress on the public service personel.

Problem is, nobody against the tax, actually wants to work.

Most of those against it are un-employed or on other benefits and are worried that their dole check will not cover all the increasing costs.

Tough TITTIES !!!

If the tax creates a whole bunch of new jobs, get of yer butts, go out and get one of them, then you won't feel the pinch at the supermarket...lol

edit on 7/2/2012 by Ironclad because: (no reason given)

You may want to have another look-

I have read the Australia "Constitution". It is not a Constitution at all, but more of a "Franchise Agreement", strangely similar to the kind Burger Joints have with their parent corporations. Instead of fielty to the Hamburger Headquarters, yours still gives authority to the sovereign of England, (Royal Assent). Despite the feeling the Westminster Statute gives a separate country, it is still only by Royal Assent.
You guys first need a full and unequivocal "Declaration of Independence" to clean the slate, then you need a real Constitution.
Your "Franchise Agreement" has too many legal bombs that give the people no power and no rights, and gives power to the political parties over choice of the executive, and then gives that haphazard official wide power over everything. It results in policy of a consensus of self-dealing, with no accountability. In the U.S., we can't make Elected Officials do something, but if they do things that are undemocratic, we can vote them out and make them look like eternal Idiots for posterity (Jimmy Carter).
You also need an actual written Bill of Rights. When the U.S. Constitution was written, they made the same argument that the English Bill of Rights was good enough in unwritten common law form. Upon reading the English Bill of Rights it is very weak, and would have been trampled on by now. Get it in Writing!
The Australian "Franchise Agreement" you currently have also has many little bombs that distort checks and balances. "Inconsistency Clause"? (an Uber-Federal Supremacy Clause). "Dis-Equal Protection Clause"?(Allowing Government to Discriminate at will, -no equal justice under law). "Document Interpretation Clause"(Restricting Court interpretations limited to only the words of the four corners of the Document, excluding external notions of fairness, justice, philosophy, or human rights). This is a Business-Contract concept, "Inclusio Unis Est", and should stay that way.
The bottom line is you guys need to get a Republic and get the movement going. I would love to live in Australia, but after I read the purported "Constitution", I thought this is just a politically dangerous mess, asking for disaster. I see the Carbon Tax demonstrated that.
"Viva La Revolucion"!