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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 10:37 PM
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I like many of you have been keeping a close eye on the loss of freedom in the so called "land of the free", and being replaced by a capitalistic oligarchy.
So it got me thinking about Australias situation and in my opinion we aren't much better. Just because we have "elections" every few years doesn't mean we live in a democracy.
Why?
Because a democracy is where the people have the say on what government policies will be implemented, oh yeah like the carbon tax? We had no say on that matter even though the clear majority of Australians were fiercely against it, how is that in anyway democratic?

Those elections that we have are nothing more than a con for the people, you have a choice to choose between a red clown (Juliar Gillard) and an absolute moron (Tony Abbott), BOTH parties might I add have pretty much the same policies, remember Tony Abbott was actually calling for a carbon tax before last election!!!

In other words you have no choice when it comes to these "elections", they are essentially the same political party. Whilst Juliar Gillard has been busy implementing new totalitarian laws such as "internet censorship".
However, anyone who disagrees with "internet censorship" is labelled a pedophile or protecting pedophiles despite admitting that the censorship will do nothing to stop it!!

I think most Australians were absolutely appauled, if not terrified of the way Julia Gillard came to power. For those of you who don't know, she lobbied with the faceless powerbrokers to bring down the Rudd government, from there she took up title of Primeminister of Australia, WITHOUT a democratic vote of the people.
Other governments around the world took issue with this as they described it as a "brutal" coup.

www.abc.net.au...

And lets not forget that Juliar Gillard IS a member of the Fabian Socialist Society and during her youth was an active communist.

www.abc.net.au...

And lets not also forget how she is silencing the media from reporting on her government, and that she has at least three times now reshuffled her cabinet to stave off any attempts to get her to stand down from office!!

Even if we want to take back our country, the government has already disarmed the population when they took most of our weapons in the Port Arthur false-fla*cough cough* Massacre...

Australians have far less freedom than they seem to think and, for some reason, many are eager to have even less.



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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 10:42 PM
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Out of curiosity have you ever thought about bitching less and actually getting off your butt and doing something about it?

Anyone can complain as its the easiest thing to do when their is a problem.. People dont seem to understand that in order to fix something one must engage and push for solutions.

Get involved.....

If your response is going to be it doesnt matter because your vote doesnt count or some other excuse then why bother to even complain at all?



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
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Out of curiosity have you ever thought about bitching less and actually getting off your butt and doing something about it?

Anyone can complain as its the easiest thing to do when their is a problem.. People dont seem to understand that in order to fix something one must engage and push for solutions.

Get involved.....

If your response is going to be it doesnt matter because your vote doesnt count or some other excuse then why bother to even complain at all?
....I'll buy that for a dollar


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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
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Out of curiosity have you ever thought about bitching less and actually getting off your butt and doing something about it?

Anyone can complain as its the easiest thing to do when their is a problem.. People dont seem to understand that in order to fix something one must engage and push for solutions.

Get involved.....

If your response is going to be it doesnt matter because your vote doesnt count or some other excuse then why bother to even complain at all?


The thing is though I'm not complaining, I'm explaining. Australians just have this attitude of "she'll be alright" and it just irritates me. Do you know Australia is the ONLY Western nation without a constitutional Bill of rights? Do you know how terrifying that is?
But other than that I agree with you something must be done, but what?



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
Because a democracy is where the people have the say on what government policies will be implemented


No, in a democracy one elects a representative who will have the say on policies.
With thousands of bills passing through parliament in any year, "the people" cannot have the time to check the implimentation of policies. In a democracy, if your representative doesnt do a good job for you, then you replace them with another.

I agree democracy is vanishing, but not for the reason you give.




Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
Those elections that we have are nothing more than a con for the people, you have a choice to choose between a red clown (Juliar Gillard) and an absolute moron (Tony Abbott),


This is two reasons why democracy is vanishing.
1. The people have been brainwashed into thinking they only have two choices.
2. Political parties dont represent you AT ALL, they represent themselves and will screw you over every time for the larger more sacred cows of party unity and election winning.




Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
I think most Australians were absolutely appauled, if not terrified of the way Julia Gillard came to power. For those of you who don't know, she lobbied with the faceless powerbrokers to bring down the Rudd government, from there she took up title of Primeminister of Australia, WITHOUT a democratic vote of the people.


It is the person who is head of the political party in power at that time and that party can elect whoever they like. Change it every week if they wish. It is their party and they can elect whoever they want to be leader.
The constitution doesnt even mention the Prime Minister.

People do not, never have and never will, vote for the Prime Minister.
However, over time, people have been brainwashed into thinking that it is some kind of "President" title.
It isnt.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 10:52 PM
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I laugh when people start going on about Freedom.
I'm in Australia, right this minute I am free to slack off from work, take a sickie, go to the pub, order a chinese beer while eating asian food, talking about Allah, Jesus, Buddha and wearing any piece of clothing I want.
Im allowed 10 children, 3 dogs, 362 cats and can even put my parents in an old folks home.
I can build a house, own a shop, cut down tree's, buy a car, paint anything i want all from the joy of my own life.
Freedom? you know, if I don’t have freedom them sadly I don’t want or need it, because asking for anything more in life is just being greedy.

But I return to the thread,

One thing i agree with is JG in power.
It stinks of a setup, she was asked to assist Krudd in defeating Howard, they did it. Then she turned on him with a knife and never looked back. You only need to look at the carbon tax to see she's no here for the people.

One thing I do find funny in Australian politics, is that not long ago Julia's popularity amongst voters was around the... what, 25-30% mark? Where as Krudds was around the 45-50% mark.
To me, if 50% of the country wants person A, and 30% of the country wants person B, then its a no brainer.

But not here, it doesn’t matter what the people want, because the people WANT rudd.

Instead, julia and rudd are forced into the back rooms to plead, pledge, plunder and promise everything they can to the faceless men, then the faceless men take a vote on who's promises they want more.
As we know, Krudd lost.

To me, that says absolutely that Krudd is the man for our country.

If the unethical, corrupt, mining inhibited powerbrokers behind the scene DO NOT want Rudd, then he is absolutely the man this country needs.

Look at our mining boom, what do we have to show for it?



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 10:52 PM
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If a majority of Australians are so much against the Carbon Tax then why did only several thousand attend the Sydney demonstrations and only a thousand plus in Melbourne?

I expected a much larger turnout of tens of thousands but it appears Australians were too lazy to get off their butts and go demonstrate yesterday!

And now you're whining about it?

Go damn well do something about it! Join the demonstrations, sign the petitions, DO YOUR BIT !



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
Because a democracy is where the people have the say on what government policies will be implemented



No, in a democracy one elects a representative who will have the say on policies.
With thousands of bills passing through parliament in any year, "the people" cannot have the time to check the implimentation of policies. In a democracy, if your representative doesnt do a good job for you, then you replace them with another.

I agree democracy is vanishing, but not for the reason you give.


Democracy is an egalitarian form of government in which all the citizens of a nation together determine public policy, the laws and the actions of their state, requiring that all citizens (meeting certain qualifications) have an equal opportunity to express their opinion.

That there is the basic meaning of democracy, even though Australia is a parliamentary democracy it still is basically the same thing.




Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
Those elections that we have are nothing more than a con for the people, you have a choice to choose between a red clown (Juliar Gillard) and an absolute moron (Tony Abbott),



This is two reasons why democracy is vanishing.
1. The people have been brainwashed into thinking they only have two choices.
2. Political parties dont represent you AT ALL, they represent themselves and will screw you over every time for the larger more sacred cows of party unity and election winning.


1.Yes completely agree, people just think its a choice of A or B or they really couldn't care any less..
2. All politicians are the same (nuff said)




Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
I think most Australians were absolutely appauled, if not terrified of the way Julia Gillard came to power. For those of you who don't know, she lobbied with the faceless powerbrokers to bring down the Rudd government, from there she took up title of Primeminister of Australia, WITHOUT a democratic vote of the people.



It is the person who is head of the political party in power at that time and that party can elect whoever they like. Change it every week if they wish. It is their party and they can elect whoever they want to be leader.
The constitution doesnt even mention the Prime Minister.

People do not, never have and never will, vote for the Prime Minister.
However, over time, people have been brainwashed into thinking that it is some kind of "President" title.
It isnt.


I know that the people don't elect the primeminister, BUT in elections people always know who we are indirectly putting into power by voting for their local mps.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 11:02 PM
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Couldn't agree more OP,take alook at my short post here .You could LYAO if it was'nt so close to the truth.We are on the same page.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop


I laugh when people start going on about Freedom.
I'm in Australia, right this minute I am free to slack off from work, take a sickie, go to the pub, order a chinese beer while eating asian food, talking about Allah, Jesus, Buddha and wearing any piece of clothing I want.
Im allowed 10 children, 3 dogs, 362 cats and can even put my parents in an old folks home.
I can build a house, own a shop, cut down tree's, buy a car, paint anything i want all from the joy of my own life.
Freedom? you know, if I don’t have freedom them sadly I don’t want or need it, because asking for anything more in life is just being greedy.


And this is exactly the "she'll be right" mentality that I was talking about. As long as people feel comfortable and have their entertainment then they don't care what the government does.....




One thing i agree with is JG in power.
It stinks of a setup, she was asked to assist Krudd in defeating Howard, they did it. Then she turned on him with a knife and never looked back. You only need to look at the carbon tax to see she's no here for the people.

One thing I do find funny in Australian politics, is that not long ago Julia's popularity amongst voters was around the... what, 25-30% mark? Where as Krudds was around the 45-50% mark.
To me, if 50% of the country wants person A, and 30% of the country wants person B, then its a no brainer.

But not here, it doesn’t matter what the people want, because the people WANT rudd.

Instead, julia and rudd are forced into the back rooms to plead, pledge, plunder and promise everything they can to the faceless men, then the faceless men take a vote on who's promises they want more.
As we know, Krudd lost.


Agreed!!


To me, that says absolutely that Krudd is the man for our country.

If the unethical, corrupt, mining inhibited powerbrokers behind the scene DO NOT want Rudd, then he is absolutely the man this country needs.


I think KRudd is just an egotistical maniac and a lot of the problems now facing this country were caused by his meddling with former government policies such as the asylum seeker issue.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 11:08 PM
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I think this is still on-topic: Australian Poll

The coalition has consolidated its massive two-party lead over Labor, and would win an election held now with an eight per cent swing. The latest Fairfax/Nielsen poll shows the stand against the carbon tax by Opposition Leader Tony Abbott, which came into force on Sunday, is resonating with voters.

The poll shows opposition to the tax has risen three points to 62 per cent, while support is down four points in a month, according to the poll of 1400 people taken from Thursday to Saturday. . . . Amid controversies over the carbon tax and asylum seekers, the coalition has slightly widened its two-party lead to 58 per cent to 42 per cent.

Labor's primary vote is up two points, but is wallowing at 28 per cent, while the coalition's primary vote is steady on 48 per cent. The approval rating for Prime Minister Julia Gillard eased one point to 35 per cent while Mr Abbott's approval is steady at 39 per cent.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
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If a majority of Australians are so much against the Carbon Tax then why did only several thousand attend the Sydney demonstrations and only a thousand plus in Melbourne?

I expected a much larger turnout of tens of thousands but it appears Australians were too lazy to get off their butts and go demonstrate yesterday!

And now you're whining about it?

Go damn well do something about it! Join the demonstrations, sign the petitions, DO YOUR BIT !



Like I said before Australians are like Americans if it isn't going to impede on their favourite entertainment shows, etc then they really couldn't care less.
Even though this is a new tax, of course it will be unpopular, but Australians just aren't at the point yet where they feel the need to start readily marching in the streets. I think its also really a case where people feel what use would it do to protest it, the government has power over us so what they say goes...



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by charles1952
I think this is still on-topic: Australian Poll

The coalition has consolidated its massive two-party lead over Labor, and would win an election held now with an eight per cent swing. The latest Fairfax/Nielsen poll shows the stand against the carbon tax by Opposition Leader Tony Abbott, which came into force on Sunday, is resonating with voters.

The poll shows opposition to the tax has risen three points to 62 per cent, while support is down four points in a month, according to the poll of 1400 people taken from Thursday to Saturday. . . . Amid controversies over the carbon tax and asylum seekers, the coalition has slightly widened its two-party lead to 58 per cent to 42 per cent.

Labor's primary vote is up two points, but is wallowing at 28 per cent, while the coalition's primary vote is steady on 48 per cent. The approval rating for Prime Minister Julia Gillard eased one point to 35 per cent while Mr Abbott's approval is steady at 39 per cent.


At the same time Treasurer Wayne Swan comes out with this...

www.couriermail.com.au...

I mean honestly, is this what the country has degraded to? Does he think we are that stupid?



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 11:17 PM
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im no expert on politics, but I do wonder why "somerudd" hasn't gone Independent ? With the profile he has in politics & the even sympathy from the public as well as the fact no one wants either JG or TA. Well it would be an chance to romp in the votes at next election.
Of course we both know this countries people only ever feel safe with the 2 party option, its drummed & droned into us at such an early age, msm ( we know who's behind that) have their own agendas. Gees are we scared to give to much power to independent in case their crazy & full of crazy ideas (another red head comes to mind & the witch hunt imposed on her through every possible avenue).
Carbon Tax was to be introduced regardless of who got in IMO.
I dont know what we can do, as you say all rights are being stripped there is no political freedom. Keep us all working hard to keep up with the bills & we dont have time to think about it or do anything about it.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 11:17 PM
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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by feelingconnected
im no expert on politics, but I do wonder why "somerudd" hasn't gone Independent ? With the profile he has in politics & the even sympathy from the public as well as the fact no one wants either JG or TA. Well it would be an chance to romp in the votes at next election.


I think a few months ago he was seen with some sympathy as to what happenend to him so he was more liked then Julia Gillard. But after his attempt to retake his former position, he has lost even more support from the public to the point that he would now lose his seat in an election.



Of course we both know this countries people only ever feel safe with the 2 party option, its drummed & droned into us at such an early age, msm ( we know who's behind that) have their own agendas. Gees are we scared to give to much power to independent in case their crazy & full of crazy ideas (another red head comes to mind & the witch hunt imposed on her through every possible avenue).


I think thats what will happen at the next election, independents will vastly increase in the parliament because the party options are just a joke and everyone knows it.



Carbon Tax was to be introduced regardless of who got in IMO.
I dont know what we can do, as you say all rights are being stripped there is no political freedom. Keep us all working hard to keep up with the bills & we dont have time to think about it or do anything about it.


Exactly, Tony Abbott is saying he will repeal the carbon tax yet ironically he was actively calling for one before last election!!
Whats even more scary though is we the people have no basic bill of rights to protect us from the government



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 11:27 PM
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The only difference between the two is that Rudd wanted to sell us out to China. The US wasn't happy about this, and replaced him with Gillard, who is loyal to the US. It's really just a fight over WHO to sell us out to!



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 11:29 PM
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But see, the '' she'll be right '' mentality does mean something.
My government hasnt stopped me from doing anything yet, there is not one thing ''within reason'' I cannot do.
Sure, i might not be able to light up a bonfire in my backyard without a permit, but you only need to look at our dry bush to understand why.
Sure, I cannot add stupidly over the top modifications to my V8 VSS commodore because im only a P plater and would ruin many lives.
Sure,I cannot walk into a pub wearing a Nazi shirt, or a Coffin Cheaters emblem, but thats pretty obvious.

So yes, as long as my government isnt forcing me to wear something identifying me as a race/religion. So long as I can buy food and water, raise a family, have a job, earn an income and ultimately decide my fate then what exactly should we be fighting for?

I suppose ill put it like this, what rights have we lost that you believe we should be causing a fuss about?

As for KRUDD, Yeah he was egotistical, he was a bit of a pompus. But something I've figured out about Australia is that we need a leader who's a bit eccentric.

Bob Hawk? Paul Keating? John Howard, they were all eccentric personality types. And we need that, because above all else we do not give a rats about the policies or pledges, we care about the comic strips in the West, or the funny mockups our comedians make.

Krudd Vs Gillard on the '' worlds most stupidest politica decisions '' list has Gillard a clear winner miles ahead in everything from Fashion, Language, Policies, Promises, Pledges and politics.

A lot of the experts are stating that there is no chance Gillard will still be here for the next election,
so, I ask..

Who would you vote for out of

Swann Vs Abbott
Rudd Vs Abott

?



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 11:32 PM
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It was very much the same arguments and situation over the introduction of the GTS and both of the 2 major political parties. Another TAX no one wanted, a pollie saying vote for me "I wont introduce it" I guess people have very short memories.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 11:35 PM
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The reason no one shows is up because

a. It doesnt mean jack all
b. no one is listening or paying attention to them
c. Gillard will say '' we hear the voters but we dont care ''
d. It is cold at the moment
e. The AFL/NRL is on
f. They were hung over
g. They were still drinking
h. They were having a BBQ
i. They continued drinking
j. Because getting to the point of anti-carbon tax rallies would of required time and effort.





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