Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
Because a democracy is where the people have the say on what government policies will be implemented

No, in a democracy one elects a representative who will have the say on policies.
With thousands of bills passing through parliament in any year, "the people" cannot have the time to check the implimentation of policies. In a democracy, if your representative doesnt do a good job for you, then you replace them with another.

I agree democracy is vanishing, but not for the reason you give.

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
Those elections that we have are nothing more than a con for the people, you have a choice to choose between a red clown (Juliar Gillard) and an absolute moron (Tony Abbott),

This is two reasons why democracy is vanishing.
1. The people have been brainwashed into thinking they only have two choices.
2. Political parties dont represent you AT ALL, they represent themselves and will screw you over every time for the larger more sacred cows of party unity and election winning.

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
I think most Australians were absolutely appauled, if not terrified of the way Julia Gillard came to power. For those of you who don't know, she lobbied with the faceless powerbrokers to bring down the Rudd government, from there she took up title of Primeminister of Australia, WITHOUT a democratic vote of the people.

It is the person who is head of the political party in power at that time and that party can elect whoever they like. Change it every week if they wish. It is their party and they can elect whoever they want to be leader.
The constitution doesnt even mention the Prime Minister.

People do not, never have and never will, vote for the Prime Minister.
However, over time, people have been brainwashed into thinking that it is some kind of "President" title.
It isnt.

I laugh when people start going on about Freedom.
I'm in Australia, right this minute I am free to slack off from work, take a sickie, go to the pub, order a chinese beer while eating asian food, talking about Allah, Jesus, Buddha and wearing any piece of clothing I want.
Im allowed 10 children, 3 dogs, 362 cats and can even put my parents in an old folks home.
I can build a house, own a shop, cut down tree's, buy a car, paint anything i want all from the joy of my own life.
Freedom? you know, if I don’t have freedom them sadly I don’t want or need it, because asking for anything more in life is just being greedy.

But I return to the thread,

One thing i agree with is JG in power.
It stinks of a setup, she was asked to assist Krudd in defeating Howard, they did it. Then she turned on him with a knife and never looked back. You only need to look at the carbon tax to see she's no here for the people.

One thing I do find funny in Australian politics, is that not long ago Julia's popularity amongst voters was around the... what, 25-30% mark? Where as Krudds was around the 45-50% mark.
To me, if 50% of the country wants person A, and 30% of the country wants person B, then its a no brainer.

But not here, it doesn’t matter what the people want, because the people WANT rudd.

Instead, julia and rudd are forced into the back rooms to plead, pledge, plunder and promise everything they can to the faceless men, then the faceless men take a vote on who's promises they want more.
As we know, Krudd lost.

To me, that says absolutely that Krudd is the man for our country.

If the unethical, corrupt, mining inhibited powerbrokers behind the scene DO NOT want Rudd, then he is absolutely the man this country needs.

Look at our mining boom, what do we have to show for it?

Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
Because a democracy is where the people have the say on what government policies will be implemented

No, in a democracy one elects a representative who will have the say on policies.
With thousands of bills passing through parliament in any year, "the people" cannot have the time to check the implimentation of policies. In a democracy, if your representative doesnt do a good job for you, then you replace them with another.

I agree democracy is vanishing, but not for the reason you give.

Democracy is an egalitarian form of government in which all the citizens of a nation together determine public policy, the laws and the actions of their state, requiring that all citizens (meeting certain qualifications) have an equal opportunity to express their opinion.

That there is the basic meaning of democracy, even though Australia is a parliamentary democracy it still is basically the same thing.

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
Those elections that we have are nothing more than a con for the people, you have a choice to choose between a red clown (Juliar Gillard) and an absolute moron (Tony Abbott),

This is two reasons why democracy is vanishing.
1. The people have been brainwashed into thinking they only have two choices.
2. Political parties dont represent you AT ALL, they represent themselves and will screw you over every time for the larger more sacred cows of party unity and election winning.

1.Yes completely agree, people just think its a choice of A or B or they really couldn't care any less..
2. All politicians are the same (nuff said)

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
I think most Australians were absolutely appauled, if not terrified of the way Julia Gillard came to power. For those of you who don't know, she lobbied with the faceless powerbrokers to bring down the Rudd government, from there she took up title of Primeminister of Australia, WITHOUT a democratic vote of the people.

It is the person who is head of the political party in power at that time and that party can elect whoever they like. Change it every week if they wish. It is their party and they can elect whoever they want to be leader.
The constitution doesnt even mention the Prime Minister.

People do not, never have and never will, vote for the Prime Minister.
However, over time, people have been brainwashed into thinking that it is some kind of "President" title.
It isnt.

I know that the people don't elect the primeminister, BUT in elections people always know who we are indirectly putting into power by voting for their local mps.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

I laugh when people start going on about Freedom.
I'm in Australia, right this minute I am free to slack off from work, take a sickie, go to the pub, order a chinese beer while eating asian food, talking about Allah, Jesus, Buddha and wearing any piece of clothing I want.
Im allowed 10 children, 3 dogs, 362 cats and can even put my parents in an old folks home.
I can build a house, own a shop, cut down tree's, buy a car, paint anything i want all from the joy of my own life.
Freedom? you know, if I don’t have freedom them sadly I don’t want or need it, because asking for anything more in life is just being greedy.

And this is exactly the "she'll be right" mentality that I was talking about. As long as people feel comfortable and have their entertainment then they don't care what the government does.....

One thing i agree with is JG in power.
It stinks of a setup, she was asked to assist Krudd in defeating Howard, they did it. Then she turned on him with a knife and never looked back. You only need to look at the carbon tax to see she's no here for the people.

One thing I do find funny in Australian politics, is that not long ago Julia's popularity amongst voters was around the... what, 25-30% mark? Where as Krudds was around the 45-50% mark.
To me, if 50% of the country wants person A, and 30% of the country wants person B, then its a no brainer.

But not here, it doesn’t matter what the people want, because the people WANT rudd.

Instead, julia and rudd are forced into the back rooms to plead, pledge, plunder and promise everything they can to the faceless men, then the faceless men take a vote on who's promises they want more.
As we know, Krudd lost.

Agreed!!

To me, that says absolutely that Krudd is the man for our country.

If the unethical, corrupt, mining inhibited powerbrokers behind the scene DO NOT want Rudd, then he is absolutely the man this country needs.

I think KRudd is just an egotistical maniac and a lot of the problems now facing this country were caused by his meddling with former government policies such as the asylum seeker issue.

im no expert on politics, but I do wonder why "somerudd" hasn't gone Independent ? With the profile he has in politics & the even sympathy from the public as well as the fact no one wants either JG or TA. Well it would be an chance to romp in the votes at next election.
Of course we both know this countries people only ever feel safe with the 2 party option, its drummed & droned into us at such an early age, msm ( we know who's behind that) have their own agendas. Gees are we scared to give to much power to independent in case their crazy & full of crazy ideas (another red head comes to mind & the witch hunt imposed on her through every possible avenue).
Carbon Tax was to be introduced regardless of who got in IMO.
I dont know what we can do, as you say all rights are being stripped there is no political freedom. Keep us all working hard to keep up with the bills & we dont have time to think about it or do anything about it.

Originally posted by feelingconnected
im no expert on politics, but I do wonder why "somerudd" hasn't gone Independent ? With the profile he has in politics & the even sympathy from the public as well as the fact no one wants either JG or TA. Well it would be an chance to romp in the votes at next election.

I think a few months ago he was seen with some sympathy as to what happenend to him so he was more liked then Julia Gillard. But after his attempt to retake his former position, he has lost even more support from the public to the point that he would now lose his seat in an election.

Of course we both know this countries people only ever feel safe with the 2 party option, its drummed & droned into us at such an early age, msm ( we know who's behind that) have their own agendas. Gees are we scared to give to much power to independent in case their crazy & full of crazy ideas (another red head comes to mind & the witch hunt imposed on her through every possible avenue).

I think thats what will happen at the next election, independents will vastly increase in the parliament because the party options are just a joke and everyone knows it.

Carbon Tax was to be introduced regardless of who got in IMO.
I dont know what we can do, as you say all rights are being stripped there is no political freedom. Keep us all working hard to keep up with the bills & we dont have time to think about it or do anything about it.

Exactly, Tony Abbott is saying he will repeal the carbon tax yet ironically he was actively calling for one before last election!!
Whats even more scary though is we the people have no basic bill of rights to protect us from the government