Apple's patent absurdity exposed at last

Originally posted by The X
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

There are Civilisations all over this universe that function without money, where their is no want, where everyone has exactly what they need, and you may say this is communism.
We use words to describe things, things not necessarily agreed on with other civilisations, i think they would call a system in which everyone has all they need, and the ability to better themselves without being a part of a slave economy, "Life as we know it".

Tell you what, point me in their direction, along with the means to get there, and I will pack my bags.

reply to post by Magnum007

The alternative existed for a very long time. It existed and was very successful and prosperous until it was demonized by the zionist assholes.

You're quite confused, my friend.

Economic systems of barter have been observed in chimpanzees (and other apes). So have political exploits and deceits: www.amazon.com... - to include murder for political gain.

Tribal economic systems are not bound by a standard of trade (standards of trade were around, but made popular in the Roman empire; prior 'common' trade items were those that were essential (such as salt - hence the term salary) or indicated one had an excess (such as time to craft ornaments). Many of the early economic systems were not about a material value so much as a social value - what convinced more people to follow your lead.

Socialism promoted an in house workforce, resources, and economy. This funded fully free education, healthcare, housing, and other basic needs which in the west costs more than the average income (especially in the US)...

This is highly specious reasoning.

The U.S. doesn't have a free market education system - it has a socialist education system. Further - not all education systems are identical (nor are metrics of school performance).

For example, in my travels to other countries... I've noticed a -lot- of other countries have populations that are absurdly lacking in common sense by comparison to individuals in the U.S. ; that's not to say the U.S. doesn't have its short-bus riders... but I feel more like I'm a kindergarten teacher than anything else when working security. The problems with lack of common sense seem to be more prevalent in other nations.

Is that an education system thing? Not necessarily. I think it's more of a cultural thing - millenia of powerful rulers controlling access to business and wives have led to a more subdued general population similar to eunuchs. I could be a bit off base, there... but you tell an American to run electrical wire - and you babysit him to make sure he doesn't go slack off. You have to watch these guys to make sure they know how to not destroy everything in sight with the equipment they are about to use (you know you're in trouble when the guy takes five minutes to find his damned turn signal).

Today, in the US, you cannot study what you want unless the banker says you an afford it

Internet. Of course - I have a few advantages over the average person when it comes to learning subjects via reading... but I walk into e-debates some times with no prior knowledge; plug in some key terms, and end up slugging it out with people who have PhDs on the subject the next day. Within a week - I have them running to various search engines and libraries.

Further - I did this incredible thing... I got a job and decided to share living spaces with creatures called room mates to split living expenses.

Crazy thing... I saved up money and don't have to ask for loans.

So, really - the only inhibiting factor I have is that I don't usually want to do the paper work that goes along with college education. I despise 'selected response' questions that have me selecting the answer based on my analysis of how inferior the individual writing the test is ("True or false: Electricity is Electrons....... That's true at a grade-school and GP level understanding - borderline true/false for a technician's view - and false for an engineering point of view). I prefer essays and projects over textbook regurgitation.

you cannot hold the job you want because of this

It's not about what job you want. It's about what jobs you can do and what jobs society needs.

The socialist and communist idea that the economy can be planned and treated as a static or stable system is a frivolous one that flies in the face of statistical research showing that no such systems can ever exist in any stable state but a quasi-neutral one.

you cannot live in a house because you can't afford it

The house I want would cost many millions of dollars and serve as my center for prototype research and development for high-energy devices and performance materials/structures with applications in aerospace. And have a hell of a banquet room, a three story green-house wrapping around the south-western edge of the hill it's built into, and have a fusion reactor powering the setup (or a fission reactor pending fusion development).

Why can't I have that house? I want it. I could make damned good use of it.

But it would take considerable time and resources to build - investments on the part of other people... and what do I have to give them in return for their assistance in helping me build such a thing?

One of my good friends is a lawyer at a top firm and is often involved in a lot of these kinds of cases -- not sure if his firm represents Apple (they might, they're that kind of firm), but I know they do have major, major tech clients and this is a big part of his job, whether it's helping mount one of these suits or defend against one. He and pretty much everyone in the entire legal profession think it's just as absurd as everyone else, but of course they get paid a lot of money by these companies to mount these suits so it will go on unless and until some sort of law is passed to get these things under control or to control frivolous patent infringement suits. There needs to be a way to take these companies to task for mounting what is obviously a suit without merit.

Google reveals 2006 android

The previously unseen phone is a portrait QWERTY device with a small landscape screen not unlike a BlackBerry. The render makes it look a little hefty, but not really unattractive. The device would have been specced low by today’s standards, but reasonably for the time. Google was looking at a 200MHz OMAP processor, 64MB of RAM/ROM, a miniSD card slot, 2MP camera, and a QVGA non-touch screen.

Yes, its insane that apple claims people are stealing their intellectual property...

I mean just look how much the Iphone looked like the first Android prototypes...

The form factor, I mean, it doen't take a genius to simplify and revolutionize smart phone design, as shown BY these AWESOME android prototypes from PRE-Iphone days.

But i guess that doesn't feed into everyone Apple Hate or envy or what ever it is.

reply to post by Aim64C


I get sick of hearing people complain about their lack of opportunities because they can't get educational funding. I dropped out of college because it seemed like i was going to end up in severe debt to learn things that didn't seem at all useful to me.

Instead i entered the work force. I worked hard, and used my intellect to its greatest ability. I strategized how i would apply for promotions so that I would build the resume that I was trying to build.

In my time I have managed people with Masters degrees (and they hated me for not having a degree at all, due to their own cognitive disoonance).

I have told my youngest son that he shouldn't do college. I am urging him to look at a trade school, to learn gunsmithing. It is what he loves to do, and it probably going to end up doing it. I also told him that if he wanted, he could then use his trade as a gunsmith to fund his own degree in business, so that he could go into business for himself. I have tried to teach him to think logically about what he wants to achieve, and then make a logical plan to make it happen.

There are ways, as you alluded to, to get an education without taking out loans. But the degree is really kind of over valued anyway. And we are starting to see employers wising up, too. I was hired about a year ago to be a CFO. I have never worked in accounting or finance before. But i can spin a yarn, and paint a picture.

reply to post by groingrinder


Actually, how bout we all take some personal responsibility for the rampant consumerism that demands cheep products.

Apple should patent Chinese children killing themselves. Yep that's exactly what they should do.

Lets actually blame the people that allowed and demanded the cheep child labor so the western world could afford cheep Nikes and Ipods.

Oh right but again this wont feed into the apple hate, but hey heres a list of Fox cons top contractors.

Acer Inc. (Taiwan) Amazon.com (United States) Apple Inc. (United States) ASRock (Taiwan) Asus (Taiwan) Barnes & Noble (United States) Cisco (United States) Dell (United States) EVGA Corporation (United States) Hewlett-Packard (United States) Intel (United States) IBM (United States) Lenovo (China) Logitech (Switzerland) Microsoft (United States) MSI (Taiwan) Motorola (United States) Netgear (United States) Nintendo (Japan) Nokia (Finland) Panasonic (Japan) Philips (Netherlands) Samsung (South Korea) Sharp (Japan) Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden) Toshiba (Japan) Vizio (United States)

Lets start a boycott... oh wait, my house would be empty and id have almost no electronics, damn, hows that hit your righteous sense of outrage toward apple?

reply to post by Magnum007

This is my solution. Socialist systems work in many countries around the world.

That's why they are going bankrupt and their governments continually pass legislation requiring the monitoring of personal information and transactions (monitoring of the internet, especially).

Remove tax deductions from big corporations and tax them at 50% or more on their profit and re-invest it in society.

How about... no?

Whether you realize it or not, the free market is all that effectively can exist on the macroscopic scale. Those companies will relocate to India, China, Africa, South America, etc. They will shift their more complicated manufacturing to Europe.

"Well, fine - we don't need those greedy ass holes anyway!" - would be your response.

Sure - we don't need them. We can go back to cottage industries that barely manage to cover our own society's needs. Cities will collapse and fall into disrepair, millions will die as climate control systems break down and cannot be affordably repaired or replaced - leading to people freezing or baking in their homes. Freezers and other convenient food storage will cease to be reliable; the list goes on.

We would become a third world country in a fairly short order - particularly if we were to raise tariffs in an attempt to "keep the greedy people from profiting in another country."

I'm sure you disagree on the grounds of failure to understand economics - but we'll see how that one goes.

200 billion in profit?

They tend to use that stuff for building newer, cleaner facilities that can handle more complex or intricate parts. The computer you are using to type this rhetoric on would simply not exist without corporate profits being what they are.

well, 150 billion goes to society to pay for healthcare and other NECESSARY BASIC NEEDS!

Necessary basic needs?

You, child, do not have the right to exist. That is a privilege extended to you by the fact that sperm merged with an egg to be subsequently nourished by a host body.

You require food, water, and shelter to live. You do not have a right to live. You have a right to -life- but not a right to live. The distinction is small but grievous. I cannot infringe upon your right to have a life. You, however, cannot attempt to use a right to life to justify living via extortion. "I have a right to life! I need you to give me food, water, shelter, and access to healthcare."

No. You have a right to pursue those wants and needs. But you do not have the right to exist because you happened to be conceived.

If you want to implement this in your state - that's your state's prerogative. However, this is not how I will permit the national government to behave.

screw capitalism, screw the US led system, screw all that... The mere fact that people wonder how the greek, spanish, italian and american economies failed proves that people are stupid. STUPID.

Unfortunately for your argument (which is full of logical fallacies and rife with baseless assumptions) and this particular point; research holds a match to your house of cards.

Stupid people are generally too stupid to realize both their own stupidity; or third-party intelligence (when encountered).

The fact of the matter is that socialism and communism require very carefully planned and regulated economies that are simply not possible. Psychologically, it is an unworkable system. The list of human wants never ceases while the capacity to provide those wants (and even needs) is limited. Not everyone is going to be able to have what they want at any given moment in time.

Socialist and communist systems, further, show a greater separation of wealth compared to free market/capitalist systems. While the population may have a less diverse range of income - a few individuals often fall into political favor (or have such strong economic pull as to be their own political power) and sit in a far more privileged position than any millionaire in a free market system.

Of course - this also happens in "crony capitalism" - which is where the government becomes dangerously involved with the free market system to make it remarkably close to a fascist state (which is the unifying of government and business/industry). The U.S. is currently suffering from this as the power of the national government has grown and their authority to regulate businesses have led to greater investing on behalf of businesses in the political process (to ensure they are "represented" in regulatory policies... by way of choking out competitors).

Which is often what happens under socialist states within industrialized nations, as well.

You can't ever truly defeat capitalism. The board changes but it's the same players.

reply to post by benrl


I guess after Microsoft stole the Windows design from Apple, they kind of became hypersensitive to it. Windows almost ended Apple (well, and some stupidity among the Apple seniority).

another reason to boycott their stuff. And I love their toys. I just won't participate in their dumbass-ness.

Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl

Originally posted by The X
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

There are Civilisations all over this universe that function without money, where their is no want, where everyone has exactly what they need, and you may say this is communism.
We use words to describe things, things not necessarily agreed on with other civilisations, i think they would call a system in which everyone has all they need, and the ability to better themselves without being a part of a slave economy, "Life as we know it".

Is this a joke post? Or are you REALLY saying that there are civilizations like this away from earth?

Nope no joke, read timothy goods "Alien Base", one planet i remember the name of, is, "Itibi'Ra", apparently these visitors were astonished to find elements of their own civilisation, here on earth.

Apologies OP for this OT reply, Georgia if intersted U2U me and ill provide you with more info.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by Magnum007

 

"Very long time"? I recall our history much differently, full of brutalization and monarchy.

The history you were taught is not the same as the reality that happened in the outside world... Remember, the US had and still has its own propaganda machine...

I am speaking from direct source : my wife was born and raised in the USSR in Ukraine...

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

Originally posted by The X
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

There are Civilisations all over this universe that function without money, where their is no want, where everyone has exactly what they need, and you may say this is communism.
We use words to describe things, things not necessarily agreed on with other civilisations, i think they would call a system in which everyone has all they need, and the ability to better themselves without being a part of a slave economy, "Life as we know it".

Tell you what, point me in their direction, along with the means to get there, and I will pack my bags.

Packing bags is uneccesary, this is exactly the reason central banks are so interested in their own survival, if such a thing were to be implemented here on earth, it would be the great leveller, no more "Advantage" or "Power" over you by those in control standing upon your backs driving your faces into the ground.
The races visiting earth and feel interested in our evolution, are more concerned with what each of us is, as an individual, what our potential is, with true freedom we would be able to thoroughly explore what our potential is.
Bad for Corporations, bad for militaries, very bad for those currently in control.

This planet is a prison, The watchers left here to monitor our progress now see us at a juncture where so many of us are ready for our freedom back, and they realise we are locked into a power structure and control matrix in which we have "No Choice".
The corporations require us to be consumers, this maintains the debt structure, the idiocy with apple shows how bad things are, if a company is willing to file over something as meaningless as this, what chance do we have against the controllers of these corporations, those who regard money as being greater than life.
Intervention is required, the moment those in power overstep their boundaries, and become physically abusive towards their populations, they will lose any legitimacy they may currently have, in the eyes of some.

Originally posted by groingrinder
Apple should patent Chinese children killing themselves. Yep that's exactly what they should do.

Yeah you know i dont see all these pretentious college kids and OWS protesting Apple, and all the Chinese people over seas killing themselves because of the work conditions.......

I find that extremely odd, how NO ONE has spoken out about it

Yay, boast they are number one in the blood of people killing themselves because they would rather die then endure another minute working for them

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Umm sorry but youre wrong..........

If it wasnt money then it would just be something else......resources....minerals......food

Its a nice dream you have there buddy, full of unicorns im sure......

But I assure you, eliminating money will do nothing but force powerful people to find something else they can use to exert said power..........

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


Capitalism with checks and balances is not a bad thing. It is when it becomes more a form of free-for-all capitalism that the problems start to rear their heads. It is not the system that failed us, it is the people that work for the system and those that bought it at pennies on the dollar while the older generations sat by and did nothing. Freedom most definately is not free. You have to stand watch and make sure that the governmental body is afraid of the populace. The question is not how to get good people to rule. Most people drawn to positions of power are at best mediocre (Obama) or venal (Bush). Thus, we should have made sure that our (former)representatives were afraid of what might happen if they did the wrong thing. This is not the case. Nowadays, governments, corporations, etc. just operate on a basis of "Oh, well how much can we get away with? Do that."

Of course, as often, you are absolutely wrong in your entire thinking.

The obstruction is done by "general" programmers, that make their code unusable by everyone, except themselves. Apples pateting it's algorithms, has not made it impossible for companies like Samsung, to use these in their own phones.

When someone patents something, it's not merely to make money from it. But to ensure that the algorithm is register, officially, stored and available to all.

Except, you have to pay for the use ... for 50 years, after it's filed.

reply to post by Aim64C

The U.S. doesn't have a free market education system - it has a socialist education system. Further - not all education systems are identical (nor are metrics of school performance).

Yes, of course, that's why it costs 30000 a year to go to university...

For example, in my travels to other countries... I've noticed a -lot- of other countries have populations that are absurdly lacking in common sense by comparison to individuals in the U.S.

Sure... have you seen this?

It's just the tip of the iceberg... Americans are just plain dumb...

It's not about what job you want. It's about what jobs you can do and what jobs society needs.

Usually, the job you can do is the job you want to do...

The house I want would cost many millions of dollars

It's not about the house you want, it's about having a house at all... The middle class is starting to be washed out and it's not able to live in a comfortable house... The people are being squeezed out and the rich are getting richer...

reply to post by Aim64C

That's why they are going bankrupt and their governments continually pass legislation requiring the monitoring of personal information and transactions (monitoring of the internet, especially).

Those countries are going bankrupt because the americans have instituted their systems causing the perfect balance they had before to collapse... Just like the USSR..

Sure - we don't need them. We can go back to cottage industries that barely manage to cover our own society's needs. Cities will collapse and fall into disrepair, millions will die as climate control systems break down and cannot be affordably repaired or replaced - leading to people freezing or baking in their homes. Freezers and other convenient food storage will cease to be reliable; the list goes on.

We would become a third world country in a fairly short order - particularly if we were to raise tariffs in an attempt to "keep the greedy people from profiting in another country."

And of course none of this is happening now... DENY DENY DENY!!!!

If you want to implement this in your state - that's your state's prerogative. However, this is not how I will permit the national government to behave.

"I will not permit the national government to behave this way!"
P.S. Everyone has a right to live...

Not everyone is going to be able to have what they want at any given moment in time.

Nobody said they have to get what they want, it's about getting what you need...

Socialist and communist systems, further, show a greater separation of wealth compared to free market/capitalist systems. While the population may have a less diverse range of income - a few individuals often fall into political favor (or have such strong economic pull as to be their own political power) and sit in a far more privileged position than any millionaire in a free market system.

Sure, have you lived in a socialist country? Oh wait, you're from Missouri, you know what being in a Socialist/Communist state is like! US propaganda at its best!

Of course - this also happens in "crony capitalism" - which is where the government becomes dangerously involved with the free market system to make it remarkably close to a fascist state

As opposed to a place where completely free capitalism creates no competition (they are wiped out by the "best and biggest"), creates sky high prices, creates artificial inflation, and creates a system where politics are dictated by corporations who pay the government to do as they like... Unregulated = anarchy...

TAIMA!

reply to post by The X


Well, until the Galactic Federation comes to take me away like Calgon, the best we got on Earth right now is Islamic Banking. And, given how war ready we were for Libya after they started bucking the system, I don't see another banking system in the works until all the bombs have been used.

reply to post by Magnum007


Well, i won't argue the lack of efficacy in the US education system. I am all to aware (Google Charlotte Iserbyte for some fun reading). But I also would not put the USSR too much more in esteem. Of course, it was an education system largely lacking in the Nazi-esque propaganda used in the US. But it had its own propaganda to be sure.

And their economic system left a LOT to be desired.