Sunken welsh kingdom's

Well this is my first time posting a thread so i'll just get on with it.

The Lost Kingdom of Llys Helig.

there are many welsh myths and legends but i recently discoverd this.

there are many cases of lost citys and kingdom's accross the world
most dateing back to the last ice age it seems and probably alot more
interesting to most reader's here.

but this seems to have taken place in the 6th century
there is alot of evidence around welsh beaches where stumps of
trees can be seen during low tide.

apparently during 1864 Reverends Richard Parry and Charlton Hall
investigated the area off the coast of Penmaenmawr in North Wales
accompanied by two local boatmen,

they report that the area was coverd in seaweed but beneath all the
vegetation were the remains of walls that ran in perfectly straight and regular lines
They took rough measurements of what they believed to be walls
and came up with the plan of a building at least 100 yards long.

so could the legend's be true are there sunken kingdoms off
the coast of wales? and if so why? why are they sunken?
what could have caused it?

what do you all think? im no geologist lol.

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I love treasure hunts....speaking about the posts protruding from the beach which would of docked big ships eons ago.The erosion from ocean currents and tectonic plate movement can hide a lot

very awesome post. i love hearing around ancient civilizations. how did you hear about thiis one?

thats very interesting.
my guess is coastal erosion.
we have a hard time to fight it today so back then we would have had no chance.
Welsh coastal erosion

reply to post by Atombombchicken


simple google search lol
going to look for more from
my region

reply to post by listerofsmeg


your probably right but but would costal
erosion leave 100 yard walls still in a straight regular lines?
and it seems to have happend quickly?.

reply to post by listerofsmeg

Legends are sometimes borne out to have been true. I would love to know whether anything unusual was ever found on sonar readings in that area.

reply to post by aboutface


dont think they have done any?,

however i wouldent mind hireing a boat
and getting my diveing gear out.

The sea level has risen quite a lot simce the last ice age, thats why there is so many sunken villages etc.

Read Fingerprints of the gods by Graham Hancock.

reply to post by slaine1978


depends on where the walls were before they sank.
i guess if the walls were on a harder more dense suface the erosion could go around it until it all clapses.
but i too am no expert, just guessing away.

also rising sea levels or continental drift.

reply to post by slaine1978


there is evidence of an historical tsunami/big wave event around the r.severn in the 1600's
perhaps it was more powerful than currently thought. then again it could of been an earlier event that initiated further costal erosion.
spent many a holiday climbing around llanberis polished off with various local beverages. we drew the line at welshpool for the purchase of ale. i swear the dart almost stopped in mid flight!

www.burnham-on-sea.com...

regards fakedirt.

reply to post by VoidHawk


but the 6th century is a long time after
the last ice age,
so basicly the sea is still riseing?
where i live there's an estuary during
the 16 18 century ships used to dock
next to a wall thats there it still has the
docking rings,
but the water level is way to low by far for
them to be used these days?.

reply to post by aboutface


I was just wondring that same point.

I've been to that part of the coast a few times and its very crumby to say the least. The marine drive is notorious for rockfalls.

www.geolocation.ws...:Marine%20Drive%20-%20geograph.org.uk%20-%20575649.jpg/-/en

reply to post by fakedirt


wow thats something i've never heared of before.
thanks, i live in newport and find that news interesting as recently I had a weird dream about a tsunami in what felt like newport.
i dont beleive dreams are anything supernatural but it has kinda just sparked my interest in this.

Near Newport, Gwent, a wealthy women, Mistress Van, lived four miles from the sea and although she saw the wave approaching from her house she could not get upstairs before it rushed through and drowned her.

my dream was a little different, i was rushing up the escalator in whsmiths after seeing the aproaching tsunami, suddenly i was chasing robotnik up the stones of the labrynth zone from sonic 1...weird.

reply to post by fakedirt


yes ive heard of this tsunami before it is belived
to have been caused by a chunk off underwater sea shelf
breaking off ireland,
thx for the link im going to read it now
but however the tsunami hit the bristol channel
this kingdom is in north wales?

and again 100 yard walls still in a straight regular lines surely a 6th century
tsunami type event would move these walls?

reply to post by slaine1978


i understand you mentioned the kingdom to be in north wales, however one cannot discount peripheral effect or an earlier unrecorded event. it's a beautiful place to be sure.
f.

reply to post by listerofsmeg


quite freaky lister,
i myself had a very lucid dream regarding a tsunami sat/sun morning. i was with my brother and he was unconvined a wave was coming. i opened a door to show him a wall of water ready to overwhelm us. we were then inside the wave and it almost felt like depth compression for a brief time.
f.

@slaine1978
i'm unable to view clips so i rely on photos and text. what is the orientation of said wall? does it run parallel with the coast?
f.

i bet ireland and wales was
conected by land at somepoint
esspecialy during the iceage
but after that aswell i mean?

Originally posted by fakedirt
reply to post by listerofsmeg

 

@slaine1978
i'm unable to view clips so i rely on photos and text. what is the orientation of said wall? does it run parallel with the coast?
f.

edit on 1-7-2012 by fakedirt because: add input

dosent say in the video just the link,
not sure off the orientation.

more research of the area needs to be done i think,
might try myself.

reply to post by slaine1978


looking at the low tide ancient forest at borth. that is interesting. perhaps land heave occured which in turn let that area slip lower. you stated a place where docking rings are too high up to be of use but were in the past used. seems to me active deformation may be at play around them parts. there could be merit in finding datum heights from early established records for the area and comparing them with present day data.
regards fakedirt.