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For those who dispute Iran's intention to "Wipe Israel off the Map"

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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 01:21 PM
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Athiests want Israel wiped off the map. God doesnt exist so the reason for killing Palestinians and taking their land is based on lies and deceit perpetrated by the US as they funded the Nazis and funded the overtake of Europe while using the displaced or killed polish jews as and excuse to make a new illegal country.

Iran and billions of other people around the world does not believe Israel and Zionism has a right to exist.

P.s Has nothing to do with the Jewish people that is just the card the play when people criticize the war crimes and lies committed by Israel.
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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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S&F OP!!

Without reading the responses I can accurately predict you will be repeatedly flamed by many pro-Iranian regime lovers here on ATS.


The usual defense is “They never said wipe Israel off the map…it was an error in translation” or something to that effect.


I made a thread back in December about how the Iranian leaders had upgraded their strategic objective of wiping Israel off the map and extended it to the more ambitious objective of annihilating Jews worldwide. There is no end to the sickness these fanatical nutjobs demonstrate yet there are many here who can’t get beyond their hatred of the US of A to see it.

The Ayatollah and his bearded sock puppet are the most dangerous regime in the world IMO and I wouldn’t lose any sleep if Israel decided to remove that threat to regional security that’s in their backyard.



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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 01:39 PM
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that response made no sense at all; especially if it were aimed at me.

I think this is the problem...people are naturally hardwired to taking sides on every issue.

Its a well known rumor concerning Ahmadinejad's love of witch's and their crafts and the feelings he expressed about his experience at the UN General Assembly in 2005 reveals that he possibly believes himself to be Mahdi or that he and Mahdi will be good friends and when he suggested the Zionist regime be wiped from the pages of time on 10/26/2005 it was more than coincidence that this very attempt was made about 10 days later.

As quiet as it is kept he has Israeli allies to accomplish this task so in many ways the enmity between the two states is contrived; and many in Israel are probably working with the Iranians to appear to destroy themselves while the whole time they are actually trying to both throttle the United States.

either way, none of this is going to happen...and while the Iranians have certainly tried to wipe Israel they have had more than a little Israeli help in this project.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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and for the record...one has to ask themselves.

if everyone already knows Israel is an illegal country; why haven't they moved it?

short answer:

Israel was created by the Iranians, to be destroyed, but when it is destroyed, they want to hang its existence around a certain someones neck.

if Israel meets its end before it is used for its purpose of being created

...the people that created it (Shah of Iran) will still be holding the box.

That Iran was the first nation among all to recognize Israel and participated in its creation makes the Iranian people look like dip#s if you ask me.
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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:08 PM
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Israel was created by the Iranians, to be destroyed, but when it is destroyed, they want to hang its existence around a certain someones neck.






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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by michaelbrux
reply to post by TruthSeekerMike
 


do you mean that the whole world deserves to be wiped from the map?

why do you condone murdering or injuring 7 billion human beings?

this is extreme; can't you find another solution?


There is no need for an immigrant state in Palestine. Nobody needs to be murdered or hurt. They could all just return to their nation of origin.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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Seems I made a few mistakes: Wikipedia will be used to clear it up.

From the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 until the Iranian Revolution and the fall of the Pahlavi dynasty in 1979, Israel and Iran maintained close ties. Iran was the second Muslim-majority country to recognize Israel as a sovereign nation after Turkey. Israel viewed Iran as a natural ally as a non-Arab power on the edge of the Arab world, in accordance with David Ben Gurion's concept of an alliance of the periphery. Israel had a permanent delegation in Tehran which served as an unofficial de facto embassy.


Iranian minister Reza Saffinia arriving at the house of Israeli president Chaim Weizmann in Rehovot on Yom Ha'atzmaut, 1950.

After the Six Day War, Iran supplied Israel with a significant portion of its oil needs and Iranian oil was shipped to European markets via the joint Israeli-Iranian Eilat-Ashkelon pipeline. Brisk trade between the countries continued until 1979. Israeli construction firms and engineers were active in Iran. Iranian-Israeli military links and projects were kept secret, but they are believed to have been wide-ranging, for example the joint military project Project Flower (1977–79), an Iranian-Israeli attempt to develop a new missile.

Nevertheless...I will hold to my assertion that Israel would never have emerged without the Iranian.

Iran repeatedly calling for it to be wiped is akin to a parent threatening to kill their own children...which, unfortunately, is fashionable at present.

Even still, its not helpful to focus on light and transient things like states and the focus of all should be on the underlying forces that are creating the environment...

...that no war between Iran and Israel will cause the problem to vanish and vanish it will and we won't even have to wait very long.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:28 PM
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maybe everyone should do the same...not just Israel.

make all the immigrants or the descendants of immigrants go back to where they came from.

i'll be in the same place as always.

where will you be headed?
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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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i don't understand the huge deal here......it's kind of like a guy saying, "if you ef with my country i'm going to ef you up....so don't do it."

as far as the whole religious bull crap and what he has or may say, do you really think he buys in to that garbage?

just because the media paints him to be an idiot doesn't make him one.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 05:31 PM
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Israel threatened Iran yesterday, the day before yesterday. Probably the day before that and the day before that and before that and that and that........

Hell, Israel is planning and preparing, training and impatiently waiting for the chance to start bombing Iran. The leaders in I ran have kept their cool a lot longer than I think the leaders of any other country would.

Russia should just hand over about a dozen nukes to Iran just to hang onto then maybe Israel's leadership will just shut their crazy mouths.
I'd love to see some country go into Israel and stand between them and the Palestinians, tare down every check point and let them know, if they continue to kill innocent men, women and children, they will be wiped off the map.
But not before they torture some of those Israeli soldiers and their families, force pregnant wives to give birth in the road then force the woman who just gave birth to either shoot the baby or her husband, cause that is what the Israel soldiers do. They also sit and snipe out old grandmas just walking in the road. Ya know, treat them like that before the are wiped off the map.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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just a few months ago the son of the last Shah of Iran, Reza Pahlavi, asked Israel for help to overthrown the Iranians. I started a thread on this, but it wasn't very popular, as most of the people on this site aren't interested in understanding the true nature of the conflict...

www.abovetopsecret.com...


but somehow he keeps his name out of the debate concerning the two countries for the most part.

don't you just love it when people try and get your fingerprints all over a crime scene?
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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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YAWN! Another propaganda piece designed to keep "IRAN WANTS ISRAEL WIPED OF THE MAP" fresh in peoples minds, it doesn't matter that it starts a debate. The main reason for this thread was to keep it fresh in everyone's mind.
It is what paid Israeli shills do.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 06:11 PM
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On the true reasons -- downplayed in mainstream history -- for anti-Jewish feeling in medieval Europe, particularly in places like Poland, which saw the frequent oppression of the peasantry by both Jews and nobles:

“The legal status of a Jewish community in the period of classical Judaism was normally based on a ‘privilege’ -- a charter granted by a king or a prince to the Jewish community and conferring on it the rights of autonomy -- that is, investing the rabbis with the power to dictate to the other Jews. An important part of such privileges, going as far back as the late Roman Empire, is the creation of a Jewish clerical estate which, exactly like the Christian clergy in medieval times, is exempt from paying taxes to the sovereign and is allowed to impose taxes on the people under its control -- the Jews -- for its own benefit... Similar arrangements existed, within each country, during the whole period of classical Judaism... Because of all this, throughout the classical period (as well as in modern times) the rabbis were the most loyal, not to say zealous, supporters of the powers that be; and the more reactionary the regime, the more rabbinical support it had.” (Pages 54, 55)

“Outside the towns very many Jews throughout Poland... were employed as the direct supervisors and oppressors of the enserfed peasantry -- as bailiffs of whole manors (invested with the landlord’s full coercive powers) or as lessees of particular feudal monopolies... in short, in eastern Poland, under the rule of the nobles (and of the feudalized church, formed exclusively from the nobility) the Jews were both the immediate exploiters of the peasantry and virtually the only town dwellers.” (Page 62)

“The peasants suffered worse oppression at the hands of both landlords and Jews; and one may assume that, except in times of peasant uprisings, the full weight of the Jewish religious laws against gentiles fell upon the peasants... These laws are suspended or mitigated in cases where it is feared that they might arouse dangerous hostility towards Jews; but the hostility of the peasants could be disregarded as ineffectual so long as the Jewish bailiff could shelter under the ‘peace’ of a great lord.” (Page 63)



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 06:20 PM
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DESECRATING THE SABBATH – that is, doing work that would otherwise be banned on Saturday – becomes a duty when the need to save a Jew’s life demands it.

The problem of saving a Gentile’s life on the sabbath is not raised in the Talmud as a main issue, since it is in any case forbidden even on a weekday;

The most up- to-date halakhic position on these matters is contained in a recent concise and authoritative book published in English under the title Jewish Medical Law. This book, which bears the imprint of the prestigious Israeli foundation Mossad Harav Kook, is based on the responsa of R. Eli’ezer Yehuda Waldenberg, Chief Justice of the Rabbinical District Court of Jerusalem. A few passages of this work deserve special mention.

First, ‘it is forbidden to desecrate the sabbath … for a Karaite.’ This is stated bluntly, absolutely and without any further qualification. Presumably the hostility of this small sect makes no difference, so they should be allowed to die rather than be treated on the sabbath.

As for Gentiles: ‘According to the ruling stated in the Talmud and Codes of Jewish Law, it is forbidden to desecrate the Sabbath – whether violating Biblical or rabbinic law – in order to save the life of a dangerously ill gentile patient. It is also forbidden to deliver the baby of a gentile women on the Sabbath.’



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 06:28 PM
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8). "Kill the Germans, wherever you find them! Every German
is our moral enemy. Have no mercy on women, children, or the
aged! Kill every German wipe them out!" (Llya Ehrenburg,
Glaser, p. 111).

9). "Germany is the enemy of Judaism and must be pursued
with deadly hatred. The goal of Judaism of today is: a
merciless campaign against all German peoples and the complete
destruction of the nation. We demand a complete blockade of
trade, the importation of raw materials stopped, and
retaliation towards every German, woman and child." (Jewish
professor A. Kulischer, October, 1937)

10). "The millions of Jews who live in America, England and
France, North and South Africa, and, not to forget those in
Palestine, are determined to bring the war of annihilation
against Germany to its final end." (The Jewish newspaper,
Central Blad Voor Israeliten in Nederland, September 13, 1939)

11). "Our fight against Germany must be carried to the
limit of what is possible. Israel has been attacked. Let us,
therefore, defend Israel! Against the awakened Germany, we put
an awakened Israel. And the world will defend us." (Jewish
author Pierre Creange in his book Epitres aux Juifs, 1938)

12) "Judea declares War on Germany." (Daily Express, March
24, 1934)

13). "Germany must be turned into a waste land, as happened
there during the 30year War." (Das MorgenthauTagebuch, The
Morgenthau Dairy, p. 11).

14). "The fight against Germany has now been waged for
months by every Jewish community, on every conference, in all
labor unions and by every single Jew in the world. There are
reasons for the assumption that our share in this fight is of
general importance. We shall start a spiritual and material war
of the whole world against Germany. Germany is striving to
become once again a great nation, and to recover her lost
territories as well as her colonies. But our Jewish interests
call for the complete destruction of Germany..." (Valadimir
Jabotinsky, in Mascha Rjetsch, January, 1934)

I wonder who started WWII



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 06:39 PM
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27). "I fear the Jewish banks with their craftiness and
tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of
America. And use it to systematically corrupt modern
civilization. The Jews will not hesitate to plunge the whole of
Christendom into wars and chaos that the earth should become
their inheritance." (Bismarck)

28). "The Christians are always singing about the blood.
Let us give them enough of it! Let us cut their throats and
drag them over the altar! And let them drown in their own blood!
I dream of the day when the last priest is strangled on the
guts of the last preacher." (Jewish Chairman of the American
Communist Party, Gus Hall).

29). "Wars are the Jews harvest, for with them we wipe out
the Christians and get control of their gold. We have already
killed 100 million of them, and the end is not yet." (Chief
Rabbi in France, in 1859, Rabbi Reichorn).

30). "We Jews regard our race as superior to all humanity,
and look forward, not to its ultimate union with other races,
but to its triumph over them." (Goldwin Smith, Jewish Professor
of Modern History at Oxford University, October, 1981)

31). "We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the
destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs.
We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own."
(You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).

32). "We will have a world government whether you like it
or not. The only question is whether that government will be
achieved by conquest or consent." (Jewish Banker Paul Warburg,
February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate).

33). "Your people are so paranoid, it is obvious we can no
longer permit you to exist. We cannot allow you to spread your
filthy, immoral, Christian beliefs to the rest of the world.
Naturally, you oppose World Government, unless it is under your
FascistChristian control. Who are you to proclaim that your
ChristianAmerican way is the best? It is obvious you have never
been exposed to the communist system. When nationalism is
finally smashed in America. I will personally be there to
firebomb your church, burn your Bibles, confiscate your firearms
and take your children away. We will send them to Eastern Bloc
schools and reeducate them to become the future leaders of a
OneWorld Government, and to run our Socialist Republic of
America. We are taking over the world and there is nothing you
can do to stop us." (Letter from a Spokane, Washington Jew to
Christian Pastor Sheldon Emry).

34). "We shall drive the Christians into war by exploiting
their national vanity and stupidity. They will then massacre
each other, thus giving room for our own people." (Rabbi
Reichorn, in Le Contemporain, July 1st, 1880)

35). "World War II was a Zionist plot to make way for the
foundation of the Jewish State in Palestine." (Joseph Burg, an
antiZionist Jew).

36). "Hitler will have no war, but he will be forced into
it, not this year but later..." (The Jewish Emil Ludwig, Les
Annales, June, 1934)

37). "Even if we Jews are not bodily with you in the
trenches, we are nevertheless morally with you. This is OUR
WAR, and you are fighting it for us." (Les Nouvelles
Litteraires, February 10, 1940).

38). "Our task is not to tell the truth; we are opinion
moulders." (Walter Cronkite).

39). "Use the courts, use the judges, use the constitution
of the country, use its medical societies and its laws to
further our ends. Do not stint in your labor in this direction.
And when you have succeeded you will discover that you can now
effect your own legislation at will and you can, by careful
organization, by constant campaigns about the terrors of
society, by pretense as to your effectiveness, make the
capitalist himself, by his own appropriation, finance a large
portion of the quiet Communist conquest of that nation."
(Address of the Jew Laventria Beria, The Communist Textbook on
Psychopolitics, page 8).

40). "Zionism was willing to sacrifice the whole of
European Jewry for a Zionist State. Everything was done to
create a state of Israel and that was only possible through a
world war. Wall Street and Jewish large bankers aided the war
effort on both sides. Zionists are also to blame for provoking
the growing hatred for Jews in 1988." (Joseph Burg, The Toronto
Star, March 31, 1988).

41). "There is scarcely an event in modern history that
cannot be traced to the Jews. We Jews today, are nothing else
but the world's seducers, its destroyer's, its incendiaries."
(Jewish Writer, Oscar Levy, The World Significance of the
Russian Revolution).



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 06:44 PM
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someone who should have been listend to me thinks.

42). "IN WHATEVER COUNTRY JEWS HAVE SETTLED IN ANY GREAT
NUMBERS, THEY HAVE LOWERED ITS MORAL TONE; depreciated its
commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not
been assimilated; HAVE SNEERED AT AND TRIED TO UNDERMINE THE
CHRISTIAN RELIGION UPON WHICH THAT NATION IS FOUNDED by
objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within a
state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to
death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.
For over 1700 years the Jews have been bewailing their sad
fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, they
call Palestine. But, Gentlemen, SHOULD THE WORLD TODAY GIVE IT
TO THEM IN FEE SIMPLE, THEY WOULD AT ONCE FIND SOME COGENT
REASON FOR NOT RETURNING. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE VAMPIRES,
ANDVAMPIRES DO NOT LIVE ON VAMPIRES. THEY CANNOT LIVE ONLY AMONG
THEMSELVES. THEY MUST SUBSIST ON CHRISTIANS AND OTHER PEOPLE
NOT OF THEIR RACE.
If you do not exclude them from these United States, in
this Constitution in less than 200 years THEY WILL HAVE SWARMED
IN SUCH GREAT NUMBERS THAT THEY WILL DOMINATE AND DEVOUR THE
LAND, AND CHANGE OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT [which they have done
they have changed it from a Republic to a Democracy], for which
we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives, our
substance and jeopardized our liberty.
If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years OUR
DESCENDANTS WILL BE WORKING IN THE FIELDS TO FURNISH THEM
SUSTENANCE, WHILE THEY WILL BE IN THE COUNTING HOUSES RUBBING
THEIR HANDS. I warn you, Gentlemen, if you do not exclude the
Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves.
Jews, Gentlemen, are Asiatics; let them be born where they
will, or how many generations they are away from Asia, they
will never be otherwise. THEIR IDEAS DO NOT CONFORM TO AN
AMERICAN'S, AND WILL NOT EVEN THOUGH THEY LIVE AMONG US TEN
GENERATIONS. A LEOPARD CANNOT CHANGE ITS SPOTS.
JEWS ARE ASIATICS, THEY ARE A MENACE TO THIS COUNTRY IF
PERMITTED ENTRANCE and should be excluded by this
Constitution." (by Benjamin Franklin, who was one of the six
founding fathers designated to draw up The Declaration of
Independence. He spoke before the Constitutional Congress in
May 1787, and asked that Jews be barred from immigrating to
America. The above are his exact words as quoted from the diary
of General Charles Pickney of Charleston, S.C.).



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 06:59 PM
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The level of ignorance of this post is staggering!!

One sentence is quoted the Iranian leader said somewhere in some interview, who knows when, without putting it in context and you write a post on that alleged quote, making Iran sound like the aggressor?
Iran has been demonized by the western media for the last decade, they have come under constant covert attacks from the west and the West have done everything in its power to start a war with Iran.
Iran however has done everything in its power to avoid a war, and then you say that Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map?

Come on dude!! Iran knows fully well, that if they do anything to agitate western powers, they will cease to be.
In addition - IRAN HAS NEVER ATTACKED A FOREIGN NATION BEYOND ITS BORDERS, IN 6000 YEARS!!!
They are a peaceful nation - on the other hand, the US with its little sidekick (Israel) is a young nation and the most war hungry nation of all. They have started more wars in the last century than any other nation in history within this time frame.

Iran is not looking for a war - I'm not sure how much more evidence you need. If they are attacked, do you expect them to roll over without defending themselves?



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 07:14 PM
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83). "Jews may adopt the customs and language of the
countries where they live; but they will never become part of
the native population." (The Jewish Courier, January 17, 1924).

87). "We are neither German, English or French. We are Jews
and your Christian mentality is not ours." (Max Nordau, a
German Zionist Leader, in The Jewish World)

106). "They are the carrion birds of humanity...[speaking
of the Jews] are a state within a state. They are certainly not
real citizens...The evils of Jews do not stem from individuals
but from the fundamental nature of these people." (Napoleon
Bonaparte, Stated in Reflections and Speeches before the
Council of State on April 30 and May 7, 1806)

121). "Mrs. Van Hyning, I am surprised at your surprise.
You are a student of history and you know that both the
Borgias and the Mediciis are Jewish families of Italy. Surely
you know that there have been Popes from both of these house.
Perhaps it will surprise you to know that we have had 20 Jewish
Popes, and when you have sufficient time, which may coincide
with my free time, I can show you these names and dates. You
will learn from these that: The crimes committed in the name of
the Catholic Church were under Jewish Popes. The leaders of the
inquisition was one, de Torquemada, a Jew." (Woman's Voice,
November 25, 1953)

136). "The Jewish people as a whole will be its own
Messiah. It will attain world dominion by the dissolution of
other races, by the abolition of frontiers, the annihilation of
monarchy, and by the establishment of a world republic in which
the Jews will everywhere exercise the privilege of citizenship.
In this new world order the Children of Israel will furnish all
the leaders without encountering opposition. The Governments of
the different peoples forming the world republic will fall
without difficulty into the hands of the Jews. It will then be
possible for the Jewish rulers to abolish private property, and
everywhere to make use of the resources of the state. Thus will
the promise of the Talmud be fulfilled, in which is said that
when the Messianic time is come the Jews will have all the
property of the whole world in their hands." (Baruch Levy,
Letter to Karl Marx, La Revue de Paris, p. 54, June 1, 1928)



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 07:18 PM
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Well, 6000 years is a bit longer than reliable records, but I ABSOLUTELY agree with everything else you're saying. Iran has not been aggressive in modern history and has been trying its level best in the face of an awful lot of provocation. Even Panetta admitted that there is no evidence that Iran is building nuclear weapons, but then he went on to remark that they're thinking about it and that was somehow enough to justify aggression against them. Until the Israelis sign the non-proliferation treaty themselves and allow full inspections, they really shouldn't have any say at all. And no support either.

I truly don't understand how anyone can not see what's going on here. It's about the petrodollar. Once the dollar loses its artificial advantage, the US can't maintain the deficits anymore and the banking industry collapses and the EU goes with it.

Fine with me. The US was better off before all that, and we can do better without it again.



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