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For those who dispute Iran's intention to "Wipe Israel off the Map"

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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 07:08 PM
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reply to post by princeofpeace
 


No everyone does it. So nothing to see here, move along folks.




posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 07:15 PM
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This is my take on this:

In mankind's relentless pursuit of power, surely it is completely obvious that Israel's claim of being God's Chosen people and Iran desiring a place among nations in a manner reminiscent of the Xerxes, for example, that these two realities are mutually exclusive.

Two groups of people claiming for themselves more or less the exact same thing.

I think the rivalry between Israel and Iran is the truest example of the Enmity placed between Eve and the Serpent by God in the book of Genesis.

this is where it becomes interesting and this is why only specialists are able to unravel what laymen may consider an impossible problem to solve.

In the world of people with limited abilities, the fear of war and conflict abounds. Who's right, who's wrong? Pick a side and be hated for the side you pick.

in the event that either, Israel or Iran is attacked and destroyed...the Serpents victory in the matter is implied. and the fate of the world is never-ending conflict.

what will happen however...is that neither Iran, nor Israel will be attacked and destroyed and the Enmity that exists between them will evaporate before the world's eyes. Something you can't see will disintegrate...

and the professional that did it will get stacks of gold because they actually unraveled the mystery that dogged mere mortals for all of their history.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by Ben81

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
Muslims have nothing against dhimmified jews as long as they are subservient second class citizens in jewish ghettos - that's fine, it gives them a feeling of superiority and someone to do all the dirty work.

it is only during the end-times that Muslims are commanded to rid the world of jews - by killing every last one.


It just shows that none of you really know a damn thing about Islam that has not been filtered by it's apologists and appeasers!


Ah come on ..

i hate seeing such bullcrap

this is what zionist wants everyone to think
so they have an excuse to destroy them first
with the same reason about the holocaust .. never again

Stop your disinfo because it doesnt work any more
we know the truth about the zionist agenda

the illuminati created Isreal .. how disinfo is that ?
probably closer to the truth then what you just said
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Look the sad fact is that TPTB have created and paid for every single mainstream meme in your brain - that includes the 'it's all the fault of the jews' meme that has been mainstream for several thousand yrs now!

Yes - the illuminati Holocausted (burn't offering) the jews out of Europe and recreated, financed and armed to the teeth the Israelis - whilst setting it all up as an intractable insoluable problem.

They have them penned in on an indefensible strip of land surrounded by a billion implacable enemies - does that sound like a group of people who run the world?

The whole world hates Israel! - does that sound like a group of people who control the worlds media?

They are doing their best to force Israel to attack Iran - Hezbollah has 100,000 missiles ready to overwhelm Israeli defences - Egypt is in the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood who are gripped by millenial fever.

At the point that Israel can no longer defend itself - they will have no choice but to use their Sampson Option - the M.E will be irradiated, millions will flee across the MED to Europe and precipitate the mother of all civil wars, with Turkey joining in.

This is what the Illuminists have been planning for a looooong time!



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by JohhnyBGood

Originally posted by Ben81

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
Muslims have nothing against dhimmified jews as long as they are subservient second class citizens in jewish ghettos - that's fine, it gives them a feeling of superiority and someone to do all the dirty work.

it is only during the end-times that Muslims are commanded to rid the world of jews - by killing every last one.


It just shows that none of you really know a damn thing about Islam that has not been filtered by it's apologists and appeasers!


Ah come on ..

i hate seeing such bullcrap

this is what zionist wants everyone to think
so they have an excuse to destroy them first
with the same reason about the holocaust .. never again

Stop your disinfo because it doesnt work any more
we know the truth about the zionist agenda

the illuminati created Isreal .. how disinfo is that ?
probably closer to the truth then what you just said
edit on 7/1/2012 by Ben81 because: (no reason given)



Look the sad fact is that TPTB have created and paid for every single mainstream meme in your brain - that includes the 'it's all the fault of the jews' meme that has been mainstream for several thousand yrs now!

Yes - the illuminati Holocausted (burn't offering) the jews out of Europe and recreated, financed and armed to the teeth the Israelis - whilst setting it all up as an intractable insoluable problem.

They have them penned in on an indefensible strip of land surrounded by a billion implacable enemies - does that sound like a group of people who run the world?

The whole world hates Israel! - does that sound like a group of people who control the worlds media?

They are doing their best to force Israel to attack Iran - Hezbollah has 100,000 missiles ready to overwhelm Israeli defences - Egypt is in the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood who are gripped by millenial fever.

At the point that Israel can no longer defend itself - they will have no choice but to use their Sampson Option - the M.E will be irradiated, millions will flee across the MED to Europe and precipitate the mother of all civil wars, with Turkey joining in.

This is what the Illuminists have been planning for a looooong time!



Its like the boy who cried wolf, nobody cares any more.The whole world is sick of hearing about Israel and its whining and sabre rattling.Nobody cares about some tiny country in the back arse of nowhere with a population the size of greater Manchester.Israels own actions are the reason it is the most hated nation on earth...period.When the Israeli people realise that and start acting like a civilised nation then maby that will change until then they are stuck with it.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 07:44 PM
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Israel is the most hated nation on Earth?

who should feel bad about themselves...the hated or the hater?

oh well...enjoy your hate.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 07:48 PM
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Perhaps it is high time for us to stop thinking like this? Perhaps it is time for us to start worrying about ourselves individually, and stop hiding behind country propaganda? Can you think of a single nation out there that shouldn't hang their head in shame? I know many, and I can't think of a single one.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 07:52 PM
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Nice try at twisting the truth in your favor
Israel have many agent trolling the internet just for that .. are you one ?


Look the sad fact is that TPTB have created and paid for every single mainstream meme in your brain - that includes the 'it's all the fault of the jews' meme that has been mainstream for several thousand yrs now!


you had a good start .. until i read "its always the fault of the jews"
how many time i have heard that typical excuse

even Bibi use it all the time has soon we critic their war crimes and dont know what to say
he barf up the same excuse so people can pity him .. it just create more confusion
inside someone head searching for the good side

you guys play with the thoughs of other and exploit the compassion of people


Yes - the illuminati Holocausted (burn't offering) the jews out of Europe and recreated, financed and armed to the teeth the Israelis - whilst setting it all up as an intractable insoluable problem.


Hitler was zionist .. is all i have to say


They have them penned in on an indefensible strip of land surrounded by a billion implacable enemies - does that sound like a group of people who run the world?

The whole world hates Israel! - does that sound like a group of people who control the worlds media?


The world hates Israel ?

Well 3/4 of the us congress love Israel more then america itself
look Holywood .. they surely always portay the enemy to be arab in each film
there is always a good jew saving the world and a big Israeli flag not far

I had a few jewish friends before ..and arab friends to
im very easy to make friends with people in general
i just dont like bullies and oppression .. and has long Israel will act like a bully
some people in the world will hate them for that

People dont hate Israel for what they are . but for what they are doing
meaning WAR CRIMES and this inhuman blockade on Gaza
making woman and kid suffering more then any real soldiers
and dont say .. hamas use human shield

I feel im talking to a drone .. that know the whole truth about whats Israel doing
you are certainly an inteligent person but with a hidden agenda to help the illuminati agenda

Pure Evil will always use deception games and strategy
it bring the good people in their favor .. takes the identity of the victims

how many criminal use deception game like that before a judge

It was self defense ... that excuse is the top 1 reason of all criminal
taking the identify of the victim by twisting the truth has been using for age
the illuminati know damn well how to play that card



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 07:54 PM
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the whole world should hold its head up high.

we've avoided something our ancestors did not. even though we had to fight a war that's lasted longer than twice as long as most others; the damage was nothing compared to what some had planned for and tried to achieve.

right about now, the entire planet should be laughing its ass off at the pigs that failed to implement or achieve any of its goals...which were atrocious in the extreme.

maybe one day you'll all realize this...and when you do, the rant's of imbeciles will no longer be newsworthy.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 08:07 PM
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and what damage would that have been , that we have supposedly thwarted O' wise one?
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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 08:13 PM
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Israel was reported to have be wiped out during the CBS Evening News on Tuesday, November 8, 2005 by a massive invasion coming out of the south near the Gulf of Aqaba.

I guess you missed that...and you thought you pay attention to the world.

anyway, later on the story changed to that the Israeli government had collapsed; which is the what the world believes.

either way...its obvious in most cases, i experience that people don't want to know anything close to the truth.

you're all quite pleased with your lies and hate.

as far as the damage, I've avoided at least, I really don't know what any or your conditions are, a full nuclear strike on the United States of America is what has been avoided.

but I suppose you think this is all a big joke.


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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 08:16 PM
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I have no idea what you are on about. Care to explain?



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 08:17 PM
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Thats nothing, you would not believe what I have read on posters in America what they would do to their own.
Anyway, yes Iran is a Syrian ally, has given them aid in the past etc. And Syria is an SCO country.
So why isn't the SCO rushing in with arms and tanks and guns? Oh you would love that wouldn't you?

Because we don't actually want to play stupid war, we actually want to make money.

Maybe you make money killing people, we don't.
Regarding Turkey, who is caught in the middle...
www.washingtonpost.com...

So Turkey is part of NATO. And they are not in the SCO. But of course want to be in the trade route, the Silk Road.

But they can't exactly go the way of Iran, if they are part of NATO and NATO is threatening them daily.
So then they could go above and across the Caspian Sea, except, those are all SCO countries.
And so Turkey, has no way of connecting with the trade route. That is they can't get their fingers into any pies.

So then they are like Greece once again.

But you know if we will take that money in the IMF and make it a global fund, and use it for a new GLOBAL trade route, we can build hubs in ALL those little countries. And not small ones either but 5 billion per site.
And we want to build 90 sites. Some countries will have two and three sites in them.
America may have more. But of course America has not been invited to invest except by me as far as I know because that 456 billion the IMF raised, they raised without American funds.

Since they were thinking its Europe and European banking, and well they don't want to chip in. But thats the only solution. Money talks. 90 hubs, 5 billion each, ran by the G20.
the G20 includes Russia and China.
Now I had said that in case of deadlock, the G7 would decide disputes in arbitration, but thats not fair to Russia and China who are not in the G7. SO we would be forced to use the World Trade Organization.
That and tasers.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by michaelbrux
reply to post by auraelium
 


Israel was reported to have be wiped out during the CBS Evening News on Tuesday, November 8, 2005 by a massive invasion coming out of the south near the Gulf of Aqaba.

I guess you missed that...and you thought you pay attention to the world.

anyway, later on the story changed to that the Israeli government had collapsed; which is the what the world believes.

either way...its obvious in most cases, i experience that people don't want to know anything close to the truth.

you're all quite pleased with your lies and hate.

as far as the damage, I've avoided at least, I really don't know what any or your conditions are, a full nuclear strike on the United States of America is what has been avoided.

but I suppose you think this is all a big joke.


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WTF are you on.... an invasion by who? go away with your nonsence.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 08:22 PM
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what I'm saying is that these world leaders are not making idle threats.

the Iranians said they want to wipe Israel from the pages of time and they meant it and attempted it.

they just failed miserably;

you should be happy about this; especially considering what happens next if they'd have succeeded.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 08:23 PM
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i'm actually a person that knows what they are talking about.

just trying to school you.

attempts have been made on multiple occasions to wipe Israel from the pages of time;

it seems some people are pathological about this for some reason.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 08:28 PM
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"all those little countries" do I mean the stans? No the hubs are geographically placed based on need vs opportunity, and if there is need and opportunity that warrants a 5 billion dollar investment there such as a port on the Caspian Sea, ok, thats doable. But not in every little hamlet because its not the Salvation Army its a business venture. So we would in time put nodes there, but hubs are huge.
So you don't need a hub, you will get by just fine with a node.

Or a few nodes. Which are the same, they are just not as big.

Hubs are main connectors. But since we are trying to use this system to support Internet Trade and Commerce, they gain significance as data storage areas, you know where servers store web pages, so you can surf the web and get deals or sell your stuff. All that has to be managed and housed somewhere.

And so people are worried about privacy too. We have to address that. But its not a major issue if we restrict the main software to software that is open source.
Easier to trust the people you work with if you can see whats under the carpet and behind the curtains.
And you know I have been a programmer for 25 years, so confusing code which is open source does not fool me and it will not fool anyone else.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by michaelbrux
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what I'm saying is that these world leaders are not making idle threats.

the Iranians said they want to wipe Israel from the pages of time and they meant it and attempted it.

they just failed miserably;

you should be happy about this; especially considering what happens next if they'd have succeeded.



Im not happy with it because its nonsense, Israel has 300+ Atomic warheads, and is backed up by the USA and nato which have about 10000 more. Theres not even a remote possibility that Iran would be stupid enough to attack Israel, nor do they have the capability to launch an invasion.
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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 08:39 PM
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that's not true; that nukes are the preeminent weapons system on earth.

apparently, there are other ways of waging wars outside of using rocks and fire as a deterrent and the Iranians have used these techniques. in more than one specific situation in 2005/2006.

i don't know what the popular term is, but its a type of Subversion.

why do you think all these people are mystics and such...

its all about determining the nature of reality and going to the source. the nukes sit in their silos and no one would even know what happened.

that's what Amadinejad is all about...he loves Witches and practitioners of the Black Arts.

but you probably know this.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by Rocketman7
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And so people are worried about privacy too. We have to address that. But its not a major issue if we restrict the main software to software that is open source.
Easier to trust the people you work with if you can see whats under the carpet and behind the curtains.
And you know I have been a programmer for 25 years, so confusing code which is open source does not fool me and it will not fool anyone else.


OK one other issue brought up today is the fact that there are restrictions in China regarding what Socrates would consider information that is bad for the general public. Now Socrates and Plato were for censorship.
And most people are when it comes to their children.

But of course nations disagree in what constitutes free speech and what constitutes hate crimes as an example.
And the Internet is constantly battling between free speech and censorship. So since I was one of the people who helped build the Internet we had the same philosophical ideas of freedom. And I have always been on the side of freedom because I know that corrupt governments will take advantage of their people if the people lose their right to free speech. And the government and their agencies work with almost any means, to curtail free speech, so they can do what they do, which is, to do to you what you would never consider doing to others.

But even when a country is good by nature and does not want to harm its people, it still wants to protect their minds from what it sees as corrupting influences and it wants to prevent insurgents from turning the people against the government even when the government are good people doing a good job.
There is always someone who wants to usurp that authority at home and elsewhere in other countries.

So as you know China puts restrictions on its Internet. As do other countries like America and Canada where you get 60 billion search returns in google but are only allowed to see 10 pages.
So you don't hurt yourself shopping somewhere else.
Or something.

Regardless in these hubs, this is not passenger travel, this is business and a place of work and you will find that companies do put restrictions on web surfing at work.

So I would let each company decide what constitutes a safe Internet.

Now since this business net will be isolated to a degree, any country it goes through can place restrictions on how it interfaces with the rest of the free world.
Cultural differences are good and we don't all want to become clones.

But just as we would like to trade freely and even not pay tax as people who use the Internet and buy stuff, generally there are restrictions on that by countries who want you to pay taxes and tariffs and customs duties.

Will those companies be selected when a consumer wants to buy something if someone else is offering the same thing without? Hah, thats were nationalism ends, on Black Friday. Its every man for him or her self.

SO I agree however that every country has the right to protect their cultural ideals. And that includes them deciding what might be safe for their citizens to view. Its a fact of life. And you know its been studied by the brightest minds in history.

So what did we decide when we built the Internet?

Each person has the right to censor what they see using software on their end.
Simple as that.
And it has been ok.



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