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reply posted on 1-7-2012 @ 03:17 PM by Jargonaut
Originally posted by Masterjaden
Originally posted by fleabit
So are there no exceptions?

Someone who has a disease they can't control and makes it so they can't work - children who live in a group home and need medical care - your next door neighbor is older and retired, but her sad social security doesn't allow her to pay for the medical attention she needs - they should all just be sick and die? Because otherwise, they are basically making you their slave?

The lack of compassion in this country is pathetic. We have a HORRIBLE health care system. Most countries
CARE FOR their fellow citizens - their health care is multitudes better. Their unemployment is multitudes better. Because they realize the real value is human life. Not owning 3 SUVs, 2 55" tvs and then complaining because your hard earned money dares be spent on someone who desperately needs medical care.

It's so very sad how our country is progressing. People care about them - their little family and nothing else. A thousand years ago, people actually visited and knew their neighbors. They cared for their fellow humans. We are losing our ability to be social - and to care at all for anything that doesn't directly benefit YOU.

If you want to complain - complain about military spending. The astronomical amounts spent by our government for our military for even one year, would probably subsidize an amazing health care system for ALL our citizens for 20 years.


No the difference is that I feel that society will willingly elp those in need and you feel that all of society must be forced at the point if a gun to do so

Jaden
No, they won't help. They will assume it's someone elses problem. MANY people would be left out to live with untreated medical problems and unecessary suffering. The system is set up so that each individual takes care of their self, this is capitalism, it works to ensure people make an effort. We know that this is a good thing for our countries wealth when we compare with communist countries. However, some things must transcend that system and one of them is health. Countries must take account of the fact their monetary/wealth systems create an atmosphere where selflessness is seen as foolish and put in place mechanisms to make sure fundamental things such as taking care of each others lives and health is not lost in the process. To put monetary systems first above all else is a form of extremism.
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reply posted on 1-7-2012 @ 03:20 PM by MarksThoughts
reply to post by Masterjaden


The logical extension of the new healthcare law is that the government will be required to provide the services necessitated by the needs of the people. Add into this the goal to have health services costs contained and it is an easy step to set the pay for medical staff, the salaries of doctors and administrators, and to require companies to produce medical goods at a set percentage over costs.
In order to accomplish all of the above there will need to be a 'draft' for medical staff following the example of the Peace Corp, perhaps. There will also have to be a 'carrots and sticks' approach for medical school attendance and for medical doctors in practice, who will not be able to earn enough to cover their schooling without the high earnings that exists now. In fact, it could become a violation of federal law for a medical doctor or other highly trained people to retire early - regardless of their financial condition - because the federal system will need them to provide for the public good.
Finally, you will see a huge stagnation in medical development and innovation. The reason is that companies can cover their costs, but what about their research? The current process to bring a new drug to the public often requires as much as $600 million in costs for trials and the regulatory demands.
I see a decades long degradation of medical care because people are often only going to be providers if the correct incentives are there or if there are harsh penalties for not complying.
On the corporate side, if the research and trials costs cannot possibly be recouped through the sales of the drugs the industry, as a complete whole, will simply stop at its current state and not bring new drugs, machines or processes to market.


reply posted on 1-7-2012 @ 04:40 PM by mr3dboot
reply to post by Masterjaden



For anyone who seriously like Obamacare, I have an idea for you.
Go work hard and upon receiving your paycheck, take $100 and send it to me or any other American citizen at random. Better yet, do it or I will fine you. Pay the fine or go to jail. Oh, by the way, you will do this for every single paycheck you ever receive for the course of your lifetime. Almost forgot...your married right? Wife or husband also has a job? Great, I'll take $100 from them too. Nothing you can do about it. Go ahead, try and stop me.

Forcibly taking from one to give to someone else, is called robbery. You may refer to to it as a tax, but it's still robbery none the less.

When people give to others because they choose to, no problem. Do it under the fear of fines and jailtime and then you have an eventual revolt, probably armed.

Just wait and see.


reply posted on 1-7-2012 @ 04:46 PM by mr3dboot
reply to post by Open_Minded Skeptic



The GOP is not trying to stop anyone from voting. Seriously, do you ever read anything other than Democratic talking points?
Dead people and illegals shouldn't vote. Funny that you see it the other way.

Showing a state issued ID to vote is a great idea and I can't wait until all 50 states enforce it.
What's that? Puts a burden on the elderly? On those who can't afford it? How about you in your sincere sense of decency to all Americans shell out exactly $4.18 and pay for an ID for someone.
Bet you haven't read that states are willing to forgo costs for those who can't afford one have you?

No ID=No Vote.
Your dead?=No Vote
In this country illegally?=No Vote

People who disagree with these three simple thoughts are either willfully ignorant or on the DNC payroll.


reply posted on 1-7-2012 @ 04:47 PM by stanats
Originally posted by mr3dboot
reply to
post by Masterjaden



For anyone who seriously like Obamacare, I have an idea for you.


No you don't, you have the mindless ranting of someone who puts politics before everything else in his life and you lost politically with the SCOTUS decision


Just wait and see.



Won't be waiting or holding my breath, I will go on with my life, occasionally pausing to laugh at idiots such as yourself.


reply posted on 1-7-2012 @ 05:03 PM by mr3dboot
reply to post by stanats



I'm in a great mood my friend. If I thought I had lost politically by the SC decision do you think I would be?
Justice Roberts is a fine conservative judge and crafty guy. Do you really think that Justice Roberts would side with the liberals unless he knew something? He gave America a way out.

Congress has the power to create a tax, congress has the power to take away a tax. I just love that Obamacare now, as a matter of law by the SC (even the liberal judges) is simply 3k plus pages of guess what? Tax!

Oh sure, the president can still call it a penalty. The DNC can call it a penalty, but now we have the truth AND the ruling from the highest court in the land that it's just a tax. The largest tax in the history of the earth in fact.

A tax that congress can defund and a simple 51 votes in the Senate can finalize.
What's that? Thought it was a 60 vote majority? Not anymore thanks to Justice Roberts.

Over 60% of Americans do not want Obamacare. 60% of Americans who by they way are represented by congressman and senators. Are you willing to lay down a bet how those elected officials will vote when their political careers are on the line?

Obama along with Obamacare are going down. Yes, and I'm in a great mood because of it!



reply posted on 1-7-2012 @ 05:09 PM by RealSpoke
reply to post by Masterjaden



With that mindset any sort of tax is slavery. Or listening to any law is slavery. I mean the government is telling you what to do, why listen unless you're a slave?

But then you'd be an anarchist and good luck with that society. Just look at Somalia....
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reply posted on 1-7-2012 @ 05:14 PM by RealSpoke
reply to post by mr3dboot



Do you really think that Justice Roberts would side with the liberals unless he knew something?


Yep, It isn't a judges job to rule based on political affiliation, it is to rule on constitutionality. Obama's lawyers argued that it was a tax and he had no other choice to to oblige it he felt it was one.


reply posted on 1-7-2012 @ 05:36 PM by openminded2011
Originally posted by mr3dboot
reply to
post by Open_Minded Skeptic



The GOP is not trying to stop anyone from voting. Seriously, do you ever read anything other than Democratic talking points?
Dead people and illegals shouldn't vote. Funny that you see it the other way.

Showing a state issued ID to vote is a great idea and I can't wait until all 50 states enforce it.
What's that? Puts a burden on the elderly? On those who can't afford it? How about you in your sincere sense of decency to all Americans shell out exactly $4.18 and pay for an ID for someone.
Bet you haven't read that states are willing to forgo costs for those who can't afford one have you?

No ID=No Vote.
Your dead?=No Vote
In this country illegally?=No Vote

People who disagree with these three simple thoughts are either willfully ignorant or on the DNC payroll.





Sorry ,but it is you who are grossly misinformed.
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reply posted on 1-7-2012 @ 05:59 PM by mr3dboot
reply to post by openminded2011



Not so fast my friend, a youtube clip of one person doesn't the GOP make.

Again, do you disagree with either of these two simple statements?

Should dead people get to vote?
Should illegals be allowed to vote?

Just the thought that Democrats are so upset because the GOP wishes to put an end to this type of voter fraud should be a telling sign.

They can't win this upcoming election any other way.
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