posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 10:52 AM
Originally posted by Masterjaden
Originally posted by LifeInDeath
reply to post by Masterjaden
Slavery is forced servitude, nobody is forced to be a doctor or nurse, EMT or paramedic nor are they forced to remain one and can retire or change
careers at any time. Nobody is coerced into rendering healthcare, they are all doing it of their own free will, thus they are not slaves.
Your logic is highly, HIGHLY flawed.
No it is not... Break it down into premises and try to prove any of the premises false.. You can't.. It is perfectly valid...
They absolutely ARE coerced into rendering health care. Any doctor who renders medicare or medicaid is coerced into providing a service for a forced
at the point of a gun price.
The point is not whether they actually are or not. The point is that if the argument is made that healthcare is a RIGHT, then it is forced servitude.
Because you are arguing that someone has the right to force another to provide them a service.
Healthcare CANNOT be a RIGHT without forced servitude.
So the question is does OBamacare infer that Healthcare is a right? If it does, then it amounts to slavery. If it doesn't then why are people
advocating for the population to be forced into providing it as though it is???
Do you even know anyone who works as a medical professional? My best friend is one of the top search and rescue paramedics in the world. If he's in
a situation where he deems it too dangerous for him or his team to render aid without causing undue risk to their own lives and health, he has every
right to not go into a situation and render aid. He's not a slave, he's not under gun point (financially or otherwise) to render such aid. In
fact, he doesn't even get paid for the work he does during disasters and has to pay his own way and for his own supplies in many cases. If he
encounters a dangerous patient, like someone who is obviously on drugs, or someone who might be suffering from something so virulent that touching or
being close to them could endanger his life, he is not under any obligation to render healthcare to them. Nobody can force him to render healthcare
Now, all that being said, when we're hanging out together there have been at least half a dozen situations where someone has fallen ill, or we've
passed an accident scene, etc. where he's gone and rendered aid to people free of charge because that's his job, that's what he does. He doesn't
make someone who is lying in a gutter bleeding show him a credit card, proof of insurance or whip out some cash to pay for the bandages he'll pull
from the medical kit he always keeps in the trunk of his car. That's just not the reality of the world, that's not why he, nor others do these
People that go into the medical profession to make tons of money become plastic surgeons, and not the kind that specialize in burn victims and the
like, they do breast implants and nose jobs, all elective, all paid for by rich clients.
"Forced at the point of a gun price?" That is the most insane reasoning I've ever heard. People who do these jobs will continue to be paid good
wages for the work that they do. Most people are already getting their healthcare paid via insurance, like my mom who just had much of her colon
removed by a top John's Hopkins doctor and all she had to pay was the small deductible on what was probably a $100,000 or $200,000 operation (she
walked out of the hospital 4 days later, btw). How will it be different under a healthcare plan mandated by the government? It's still insurance.
Had she not had insurance it would have meant either her just dying, or selling the house, the family going broke, me probably moving back home to
help out since both parents are retired and my dad probably having to get a job as a WalMart greeter, or something instead of enjoying his retirement.
With the insurance our lives haven't been ruined by this operation, nor by the open heart surgery my dad had 18 months ago. See where this is