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posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by habitforming

Originally posted by nenothtu

I'll be happy to answer that for you just as soon as you can demonstrate the relevance to the topic at hand - i.e. "Obamacare", as I have already asked, and you have thus far failed to demonstrate.




Go back to the post where I asked you and you ignored and see the relevance for yourself. Seems like you need a lot of handholding for someone with no need for anyone.

IT WAS A DIRECT RESPONSE TO YOU. So I guess about now we need to wonder what the relevance was when you brought it up.


Fair enough. If you can't point to any relevance in your own irrelevant argument, we seem to be done here. I went back and looked, and nowhere have I made any claims as to the relevance of preschool or even grade school to Obamacare's individual mandate. YOU are the one trying to build that straw man, so build it if you can.

I'm betting you can't, and you are trying to throw out a smoke screen to hide that fact.

Nice try, no cigar.

Seriously - if you can't make your own argument, don't expect me to make it for you. Carry your own water.




edit on 2012/7/6 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)




posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by davolobos

4. By Hidden Sentence.... All Native Americans shall be exempt from the Fine or the Tax but will still receive full medical benefits paid by the rest.



Please provide some sort of link for this assertion. It's been historical practice that when anyone says "all native americans" relative to a governmental promise of exemption, they really mean reservation dwellers.

Not all Indians live on the res.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 10:24 AM
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Working for Social Security or Medicare involves applying for the job, submitting an application, accepting the job, and going through a hiring process that includes fingerprinting and taking an oath. Employees of the Social Security.Medicare system also can quit when they wish, leave and, at their option, seek employment elsewhere. A lot like getting a job at the local supermarket or bank or topless bar. No slavery involved.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by habitforming

Originally posted by Masterjaden


Have you ever heard of private school???

Not all school is paid for at the point of a gun...




It is not paid for by the 5 and 6 year olds attending though is it?


I'm not saying that I went to private schools, I'm just saying that your assumption that someone HAD to get their schooling paid for by other people is farsical.




And then you admit you have no argument because your school was indeed paid for by other people.
I did ask Neno and you how you paid for 1st grade, not how did someone choose to pay for it for you. You read that didnt you?


Also, just as an aside...

Using resources available does not make you a hypocrite.


It does when you say you have no need for them and did not benefit from them.
Those degrees seem really worthless right about now.


A fool turns down services available to him, but it is an evil man who implements them through an illegitimate means or does not try to change an illegitimate means of making them available.

Jaden


A hypocrite derides those same services after enjoying them and even goes so far as to suggest no one else ever get them.


And I am telling you that no one was forced to pay for my schooling at the point of a gun, so your argument is moot...

You might want to determine what the goal of your argument is before you go off on a diatribe that doesn't support the argument you were originally trying to make....

Jaden



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by Maslo
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Why is murder illegal??? Because we have the unalienable right to life endowed on us by our creator, and not you, the government or the police have the authority to take that right.. That is why murder is illegal.


You are changing the topic. I said the government is tasked with protecting negative rights, you denied it, and I then showed that the police (a government institution) is tasked with enforcing the ban on murder (thus with protecting the right to live), which shows your assertion was incorrect.


No it doesn't....

They ARE NOT tasked with protecting my life, as was pointed out to you by another. They are not tasked with protecting ANY ONE's life.

They are tasked with protecting the corporate interests of the city or county or state or the U.S. that they are under the jurisdiction of (yes all of those entities are corporations), The supreme court ruled on that and stated as much...

They will attempt to hunt down and arrest someone who kills me, that doesn't protect my right to life.

They ARE tasked with not violating my right to life. They have no more authority to take a man's life than any other citizen though, even in defense of themselves or another.

Jaden



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by habitforming

Originally posted by nenothtu

I'll be happy to answer that for you just as soon as you can demonstrate the relevance to the topic at hand - i.e. "Obamacare", as I have already asked, and you have thus far failed to demonstrate.




Go back to the post where I asked you and you ignored and see the relevance for yourself. Seems like you need a lot of handholding for someone with no need for anyone.

IT WAS A DIRECT RESPONSE TO YOU. So I guess about now we need to wonder what the relevance was when you brought it up.


Fair enough. If you can't point to any relevance in your own irrelevant argument, we seem to be done here. I went back and looked, and nowhere have I made any claims as to the relevance of preschool or even grade school to Obamacare's individual mandate. YOU are the one trying to build that straw man, so build it if you can.

I'm betting you can't, and you are trying to throw out a smoke screen to hide that fact.

Nice try, no cigar.

Seriously - if you can't make your own argument, don't expect me to make it for you. Carry your own water.




edit on 2012/7/6 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)


Not to mention that even if his argument held merit, kindergarten through high school is a state requirement, so again we are being forced to participate at the point of a gun...

Which means that his argument is STILL moot. That's why I had only mentioned post secondary education when he asked.

He's having a little trouble putting together a coherent argument...

Jaden



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by davolobos

4. By Hidden Sentence.... All Native Americans shall be exempt from the Fine or the Tax but will still receive full medical benefits paid by the rest.



Please provide some sort of link for this assertion. It's been historical practice that when anyone says "all native americans" relative to a governmental promise of exemption, they really mean reservation dwellers.

Not all Indians live on the res.



I'm 1/4 !!! sounds like a good deal for me! Where's the cutoff fraction or do I have to live on the res?



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 08:11 PM
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Actually I didn't just link Obamacare to slavery...

I linked the very notion that healthcare is a right to slavery...

No 'Right' can impede on another's rights...

You cannot have a right that requires someone else to do a positive action.

The idea that a RIGHT can require someone else's positive action is ridiculous.

You deny another's rights by enforcing yours.

Stick to Canada's socialism, I'll stick to America's Liberty and I will require all Americans to respect my Liberty as guaranteed to me in MY form of government.

If you're so happy to make sure they've got free healthcare, invite them up to Canada, don't invite them to step on my rights down here.

You have three fundamental rights, which can then be broken down into others...

You have the right to LIFE, the right to LIBERTY and the right to PURSUE HAPPINESS...

You have the right to LIFE, meaning that the government cannot arbitrarily decide to deny you your life.

You have the right to LIBERTY, which is freedom (read the bill of rights to find out what our Liberties are defined as)

And you have the right to PURSUE happiness... This means you can pursue it, not that you can have it. You don't have a right to be happy. Part of the pursuit of that happiness is the ability to pay another for the services of making you better when you are sick or injured.

That is not a part of the right to life, because you will die sooner or later regardless, your right to life is only the right to protect you from the government taking it from you. This was in response to King George killing anyone he wanted for whatever reason he wanted.

You have the right to PURSUE healthcare if that will make you happy. You CANNOT have the right for someone else to provide you with it.

Jaden





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