It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Obamacare amounts to slavery...

page: 13
20
<< 10  11  12    14  15  16 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:46 PM
link   
reply to post by ClintK
 


Beware of the ObamaCare Pit.

It's not pleasant down there. It's very, very crowded.

Take a number or fly to Mexico.




posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:47 PM
link   
reply to post by ClintK
 


It grows both, but Govt grows to control the citizen, to force them to give money to the insurance company.

THEFT, any way 0bama wants to spin it.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:49 PM
link   

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by ClintK
 


It grows both, but Govt grows to control the citizen, to force them to give money to the insurance company.

THEFT, any way 0bama wants to spin it.


Do we really want the IRS terrorizing the American people about ObamaCare

mandates???



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:50 PM
link   
post removed because the user has no concept of manners

Click here for more information.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:52 PM
link   
Obama care can be summarized like this

After been sold as a attractive package for those that can not afford health care the realities of the monstrosity are very clear.

1- A costly new tax on the middle class (somebody have to pay for those that can not pay)

2- Government monopoly for Big Pharma (that is why they wrote the Obamacare bill and manipulated legislation behind close doors)

3- How Obamacare will lead to mandatory vaccinations for everyone (after the Supreme court just handle the rights for the government to tell citizens what is best for them or get penalized with more taxes)


Obamacare the monstrosity you can bet on, Yes we can.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:54 PM
link   

Originally posted by Anonymous404
reply to post by Sparky63
 


It's weird you'd rather have elected officials rather than doctors talking about, y'know, healthcare.

I'd totally rather have healthcare professionals making healthcare rules. They went to school for it.


Are Doctors going to be running the new bureaucracy put in place to manage the purchase of health insurance? I haven't seen that anywhere. Doctors do not now currently run the insurance agencies that I buy my health insurance from. Trust me, I would much rather have doctors talking about healthcare. But that hasn't been the case for a long time.

What scares me is having someone like Pelosi or Barney Frank or any other politician appointed as Obamacare Czar
and controlling the "exchanges" millions will have to purchase their insurance from. Some may call me a conspiracy nut, but I don't trust politicians to have my best interests at heart.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:54 PM
link   
reply to post by marg6043
 

Never thought of the vaccine angle.
Yeah, we are screwed.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:00 PM
link   

Originally posted by marg6043
Obama care can be summarized like this

After been sold as a attractive package for those that can not afford health care the realities of the monstrosity are very clear.

1- A costly new tax on the middle class (somebody have to pay for those that can not pay)

2- Government monopoly for Big Pharma (that is why they wrote the Obamacare bill and manipulated legislation behind close doors)

3- How Obamacare will lead to mandatory vaccinations for everyone (after the Supreme court just handle the rights for the government to tell citizens what is best for them or get penalized with more taxes)


Obamacare the monstrosity you can bet on, Yes we can.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Laura Ingraham observed a 2 tier healthcare system.

One for the rich who will get the very best care - immediately- .

The other is for those who cannot afford to make direct payments in full with no

insurance. She called it the ObamaCare Pit.

Millions more will be thrown into the system. Doctors will just throw their hands up

and quit. That translates into fewer doctors and longer lines.

That's what they have in Canada.
edit on 2-7-2012 by Eurisko2012 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:04 PM
link   
reply to post by dogstar23
 


You're just lucky then because I have fought several times to get it and been turned down apparently 7.25 an hour is too much and I can "afford my own insurance"



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:07 PM
link   








Americans who talked about Obama's 'lies' should always remember this thing call 'video recording' which records every speech, claim and beliefs of politicians. Now that Americans have to choose between Obama and Romney, let's see who is the real liar. And also let's see who among us has been brainwashed and continue to promote propaganda against USA and her citizens. If you want to save America, watch the videos and vote wisely.

edit on 2-7-2012 by Gigantopithecus because: adding one more video to show who conveniently forgot to report overseas bank accounts.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:14 PM
link   
reply to post by Gigantopithecus
 


President Mitt Romney = Free Market Capitalism

President Obama = Radical Marxist who wants to -transform- America

Lets see. Which one do we choose?

Hmmmm......we have until November 6, 2012 to make up our minds.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:14 PM
link   
reply to post by ConspiracyBuff
 


Medicare doesn't work as it is let alone if you dump millions more on it all at once. A NEW system is needed. We are making strides toward that now.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:16 PM
link   
reply to post by Eurisko2012
 


That's simply not how socialized medicine works.
New person enters line.
Can he wait?
yes->move to the back, other people came first
no-> move to the front, you can't wait
(And yes, a doctor or at least nurse makes that decision)

The free market suit fits healthcare very badly. Obomney-care is a free market solution and you guys really, really wanted that.

My mom broke her toe a few days ago. Went walking with the dog, and then realized it really hurt! (Didn't know it was broken, just thought she stubbed it really hard) Went to the hospital after much cajoling, and had it fixed within an hour (We have more hospital beds per capita than the US has)
Being in the "Can wait" category of "propably stubbed toe" cost her 15 minutes tops.

And here is the fun part: it didn't cost her a cent (besides a life of taxes) yet she didn't want to go. The whole "getting your money worth"-part of healthcare dissappears in socialist systems.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:17 PM
link   

Originally posted by Hawkmoon1972
reply to post by ConspiracyBuff
 


Medicare doesn't work as it is let alone if you dump millions more on it all at once. A NEW system is needed. We are making strides toward that now.


Yes, a New system that has New Huge Taxes/Penalties attached to it.

Go ahead and throw that at the American people during a recession.


Good luck with that!



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:18 PM
link   
Here are the facts:

1. The government has mandated that it is unfair to charge an elderly person more than a young person so they have decided that premiums need to be averaged among all Americans. PROBLEM: This will reduce the cost of health care for the elderly but significantly raise it for everyone under 40.

2. You cannot be denied coverage for any reason but you are only taxed $695 per year if you don't buy health insurance. PROBLEM: It will be much cheaper to pay the $695 "tax" than to pay for health insurance and if you do get sick or need coverage quickly, you can't be denied so really what's the risk?

3. The Federal government is going to subsidize everyone's health insurance who is within 400% of the poverty level. PROBLEM: With them covering millions of people in this category, how is it going to be paid for?

4. The Federal government has already cut Medicare and Medicaid payments to doctors. Under Obamacare, they will slash payments further. PROBLEM: Thousands of doctors will retire and it's already a fact that a record low number of pre-med students are currently studying to be doctors.

5. Obamacare adds additional taxes on Capital Gains which means anyone who has capital gains will pay a "surcharge" for Obamacare. PROBLEM: This will stifle investment in our country, make it less desirable to invest in stocks, mutual funds and government bonds.

6. Obamacare takes away the incentive of corporations to cover their employees health insurance by creating state exchanges and encouraging people to go on these exchanges. PROBLEM: Corporations already pay 100's of billions a year toward their employees health insurance as a "benefit". This will slowly go away resulting in premiums for every American sky rocketing. Family coverage at my company is $1300 a month of which our company pays $700, that will be absorbed by the employee when our company stops providing this benefit.

There is no way the Federal government can make this program work. They have done nothing to address mal-practice insurance, tort reform, fraud or abuse in our system and it's a proven fact that the Federal government cannot run anything as efficiently as the private sector. POST OFFICE, AMTRACK, MEDICARE, MEDICAID, SOCIAL SECURITY, TSA and the list goes on.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:23 PM
link   
reply to post by TWISTEDWORDS
 


Prove that it states that. PROVE IT! Show us the law. Post a link to the ACTUAL DETAIL IN THE WRITTEN, ACCEPTED DOCUMENT.

Every time someone says they saw a UFO everyone's BS meter goes into high gear and they start screaming for proof. Why not here? prove your claim or withdraw it!

I have heard this "death panel" argument many times and have yet to see one molecule of proof that a death panel currently exists or will exist once the law goes into effect.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:24 PM
link   

Originally posted by TWISTEDWORDS
Here are the facts:

1. The government has mandated that it is unfair to charge an elderly person more than a young person so they have decided that premiums need to be averaged among all Americans. PROBLEM: This will reduce the cost of health care for the elderly but significantly raise it for everyone under 40.

2. You cannot be denied coverage for any reason but you are only taxed $695 per year if you don't buy health insurance. PROBLEM: It will be much cheaper to pay the $695 "tax" than to pay for health insurance and if you do get sick or need coverage quickly, you can't be denied so really what's the risk?

3. The Federal government is going to subsidize everyone's health insurance who is within 400% of the poverty level. PROBLEM: With them covering millions of people in this category, how is it going to be paid for?

4. The Federal government has already cut Medicare and Medicaid payments to doctors. Under Obamacare, they will slash payments further. PROBLEM: Thousands of doctors will retire and it's already a fact that a record low number of pre-med students are currently studying to be doctors.

5. Obamacare adds additional taxes on Capital Gains which means anyone who has capital gains will pay a "surcharge" for Obamacare. PROBLEM: This will stifle investment in our country, make it less desirable to invest in stocks, mutual funds and government bonds.

6. Obamacare takes away the incentive of corporations to cover their employees health insurance by creating state exchanges and encouraging people to go on these exchanges. PROBLEM: Corporations already pay 100's of billions a year toward their employees health insurance as a "benefit". This will slowly go away resulting in premiums for every American sky rocketing. Family coverage at my company is $1300 a month of which our company pays $700, that will be absorbed by the employee when our company stops providing this benefit.

There is no way the Federal government can make this program work. They have done nothing to address mal-practice insurance, tort reform, fraud or abuse in our system and it's a proven fact that the Federal government cannot run anything as efficiently as the private sector. POST OFFICE, AMTRACK, MEDICARE, MEDICAID, SOCIAL SECURITY, TSA and the list goes on.


Mitt Romney should make a detailed list of the facts you have listed above.

When they are discussed during the - Presidential Debate - Obama will have

nowhere to run. President Mitt Romney will be elected in a landslide victory.


Great post! Thanks!



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:25 PM
link   
reply to post by macman
 


Actually we are not screwed yet, see while pro Obama claim victory is not a victory, Justice Robert just opened a can of worms as the constitutionality of how the bill was redacted under a mandatory clause and not a tax.

Only congress can impose more taxes meaning that the reason the white house is now coming with propaganda and calling the tax a penalty has a reason, in order to be passed as a tax it has to go back to the table and the wording have to be changed.

It is more behind the Supreme court decision and I got the feeling that more of that reality is going to make the entire bill a mess unless congress legislate on it once again.

But let those that think this is a win for Obama celebrate specially when they don't read or understand constitutional law.

And not I am not an expert but I took government law I can see that is more to what Justice Roberts did that people doesn't understand yet.

The man knows the law alright, but let the Obama supporters create their own interpretation.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:31 PM
link   
reply to post by Eurisko2012
 


Yes. It has huge taxes. Americans pay some of the lowest taxes of any civilized country. It is time we started taking care of our people. Get over it. Pay your share to live in your society or get out. Simple as that.

Like it or not our government is part of us. It should be forming programs like this. Should have done it decades ago. The same goes for education. It is shameful that it costs a fortune to get an education.

We are falling apart as a country in large part because we are so horribly self centered that we refuse to see the suffering all around us. The only time most people help someone is if there is something to gain by it. IF we continue down this path we will fall.
If we, as a country, have any hope of survival in the coming decades we MUST rally together. We MUST take care of our own people and strengthen ourselves. To do otherwise will only hasten our demise. Call it socialism all you like. I couldn't care less what title you assign to it. The fact remains that we will come together or we will fall.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 03:33 PM
link   
reply to post by Eurisko2012
 


I see you strongly endorse Mitt Outsourcer Romney who has taken away jobs from Americans and gave them to China, India and Mexico, who has secret oversea bank accounts and only reported it when he was found out, who in his own words wanted Detroit to go belly up and not help anyone who faces foreclosure, who raised tax when promised not to do so, when becoming POTUS will increase tax for America's middle class and the poor, while giving the rich and super rich tax breaks. Do us a favour, watch the videos I posted and tell me you have changed your mind.



new topics

top topics



 
20
<< 10  11  12    14  15  16 >>

log in

join