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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by Sparky63
Are we going to have any say in how much the co-pays are going to be if we have to purchase health insurance through the government exchange program? Are we going to have any choice in the matter?
How much do you want to bet that the people in control are going to be appointed and not elected officials?
Once this bureaucracy is in place it will be damn near impossible to remove.
I truly feel sorry for those who are trusting that their government knows what is best for them and will do the right thing.




Obama Lied / Freedom Died

We don't need socialist elitists in Washington DC making life and death choices

about our individual health care.




posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by narwahl
reply to post by Eurisko2012
 


Actually the US imports more healthcare than it exports.


The US will continue to import healthcare. The clock is ticking on

ObamaCare. When it gets repealed in 2013, the observation will be made that the

American people tried on a socialist suit and it did not fit.


Erm... you misunderstood.
Americans spend more $ to get healthcare in one of the socialist systems than folks in the socialist systems spend in the US.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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reply to post by Eurisko2012
 


Obamacare isn't socialism. It's corporatism.



That guy gets it.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by narwahl
reply to post by Eurisko2012
 


Actually the US imports more healthcare than it exports.


The US will continue to import healthcare. The clock is ticking on

ObamaCare. When it gets repealed in 2013, the observation will be made that the

American people tried on a socialist suit and it did not fit.


It fits for public schools, police, and the NFL. But I guess if you want to call something socialist without knowing what socialism means, then everything you dislike becomes socialist.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by TheJaberwocky

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by TheJaberwocky
reply to post by Eurisko2012
 


If you want to bring Tort Reform into this convo, fine by me. Tort reform is merely a corporate code word for getting rid of "frivilous lawsuits" and "Punitive Damages". remember the lady who spilled hot coffee on herself at McDonalds?

What you fail to realize is that the women needed skin transplants the coffee burned her so bad.

No, Mitt Romney has NEVER stated a specific plan for healthcare, only that he dislikes the new one. This is a bit like saying you dislike cheese burgers but refuse to give the drive through operator your actual order. All you keep saying is "no cheese burger".


Texas capped it at $250,000.


The trial lawyers are making out like bandits.


Texas capped punitive damages at 250k, yup. That means the judge can only award the woman from McDonalds (hypothetical example) 250k, even though the surgeries and mental anguish amount to much more than just 250k. And yet you claim the ladys lawyers are happy about it and make more money.

Stop embarrassing yourself.


We need to cap the punitive damages at $250,000 in all 50 states.


Obama left it out of ObamaCare because he is in bed with the trial lawyers.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by Sparky63
Are we going to have any say in how much the co-pays are going to be if we have to purchase health insurance through the government exchange program? Are we going to have any choice in the matter?
How much do you want to bet that the people in control are going to be appointed and not elected officials?
Once this bureaucracy is in place it will be damn near impossible to remove.
I truly feel sorry for those who are trusting that their government knows what is best for them and will do the right thing.




Obama Lied / Freedom Died

We don't need socialist elitists in Washington DC making life and death choices

about our individual health care.

Which is what would happen if we repealed ObamaCare



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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ObamaCare is transformation of America.

ObamaCare grows the size of government.


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We need to reduce the size of government.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by Anonymous404
 


ObamaCare is transformation of America.

ObamaCare grows the size of government.


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We need to reduce the size of government.


How exactly does obamacare make the gov bigger, and not the healthcare industry? Your gut instinct does not count as evidence.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:18 PM
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To those who are brainwashed to think Obamacare is being forced down every Americans' throat, watch the video and get your facts right. You can choose to get your own insurance if you don't like Obamacare. Obamacare is only unfriendly to leechers who don't want to pay for their own insurance coverage and expect other hardworking taxpayers to foot the bills when these leechers need medical attetnion. Why isn't Masterjaden fighting for the averge taxpaying joes is sad. If Masterjaden really cares about the Average Americans, he should not stand up for freeloaders and leechers.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by TheJaberwocky
reply to post by Sparky63
 


Under ObamaCare you choose your own provider and can keep your current one. So you arguing that it makes workers buy their insurance from their own company is...I don't know, stupid?


That is only if your employer keeps offering health insurance. Right now my company has Blue Cross but the rates have almost doubled since Obamacare was signed into law. There is no guarantee that he will continue to offer it all. If that happens I would be forced to try to get another private policy or use the government exchange. Then you have the millions of people who are employed but currently have no option to obtain health insurance through their employer.
I think you misunderstand my post. I was not arguing that it makes workers buy their insurance from their own company.

I was comparing the government policy itself as the "company". and the fact that the workers had no option but to go along with it. But in this case you don't have the option of quitting. We are in this for life if it is not repealed. I will forgive you for calling my argument "stupid". This is a sensitive subject and emotions can run high. I hope we can continue to have a respectful discussion despite our differences of opinion.

edit on 7/2/2012 by Sparky63 because: spelling always spelling! *&^^%^%@%@$^$%



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by TheJaberwocky

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by Sparky63
Are we going to have any say in how much the co-pays are going to be if we have to purchase health insurance through the government exchange program? Are we going to have any choice in the matter?
How much do you want to bet that the people in control are going to be appointed and not elected officials?
Once this bureaucracy is in place it will be damn near impossible to remove.
I truly feel sorry for those who are trusting that their government knows what is best for them and will do the right thing.




Obama Lied / Freedom Died

We don't need socialist elitists in Washington DC making life and death choices

about our individual health care.

Which is what would happen if we repealed ObamaCare


When ObamaCare is repealed a dark cloud will be removed from small

businesses across America.
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The replacement will allow us to buy insurance across state lines.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:31 PM
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Well, compared to Canadas healthcare, You are slaves. PERIOD.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by TheJaberwocky

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by Anonymous404
 


ObamaCare is transformation of America.

ObamaCare grows the size of government.


---------
We need to reduce the size of government.


How exactly does obamacare make the gov bigger, and not the healthcare industry? Your gut instinct does not count as evidence.


ObamaCare will force the healthcare companies out of business.

Then almost everyone will be thrown into the ObamaCare Pit. -- Take a number &

Good Luck!
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There will still be top drawer health care available in the USA.

It will be for the rich only because it will be direct pay with no insurance involved.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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I bet you didn't know that with this new law there is now a death panel group that will be initiated in every county of every state. If this panel decides your son is a lost cause in health care(basically costs too much), they will label your child to sit in a hospice center to die. Don't believe me, google death panel and see what you get on the hits. So many people uninformed.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by TWISTEDWORDS
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I bet you didn't know that with this new law there is now a death panel group that will be initiated in every county of every state. If this panel decides your son is a lost cause in health care(basically costs too much), they will label your child to sit in a hospice center to die. Don't believe me, google death panel and see what you get on the hits. So many people uninformed.


When that truth filters out during the presidential debates the American people

will run towards Mitt Romney to make this healthcare disaster go away.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by TheJaberwocky

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
reply to post by EvilSadamClone
 


So taxation is theft?


YES.

NO


I work for money. Govt takes from me, to give to others.

THEFT, any way you put it.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by TheJaberwocky

Originally posted by Sparky63
Obamacare is like forcing workers to buy from the company store whether they want to or not. The products offered may not be what we want or need, but we will have no choice but to buy them anyway. If you don't buy from the company store they will send out goons to threaten you and seize whatever material possessions you have. Maybe even throw you in the pokey.
The operators of the company store do not answer to you. You have little or no options if they treat you unfairly. Who are you going to complain to? Your congressman? LOL. Good luck with that.

The thing that gets me is that in this scenario, you are in it for life. I think the Obama administration must have taken some pointers from the Godfather... They made us an offer we couldn't refuse.



Dude, the IRS is not a goon squad. They collect taxes. EVERYONES taxes. I love how you insinuate jail time as well, which is totally erroneous. THERE IS NO JAIL TIME FOR OBAMACARE PENALTIES.

I am going to ask you to either stop spreading blatant lies on this forum or back up your arguments with SOME kind of proof.


I said, "Maybe" throw you in the pokey. "Maybe".
Please consider: Punishment for not paying the Obamacare tax may not currently be defined, But given that the IRS has been authorized to collect these taxes and jail time is currently a possibility for not paying other types of taxes, I don't think that it is a great stretch of imagination to consider jail time a possibility. You may not agree, that is your prerogative, maybe you can tell me what the punishment will be for not paying the Obamacare tax?

I don't think it is fair for you to categorize my opinions and hypothetical scenario as "blatant lies". Take a moment and reread my post and you will see that I did not lie, not a little and certainly not blatantly.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by TheJaberwocky

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by Anonymous404
 


ObamaCare is transformation of America.

ObamaCare grows the size of government.


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We need to reduce the size of government.


How exactly does obamacare make the gov bigger, and not the healthcare industry? Your gut instinct does not count as evidence.
But see you've asked an intelligent question. NO FAIR!!



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