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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by jiggerj
If you are totally serious about finding nothing, then i will offer you Tony Parsons who is an expert at pointing at nothing.
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edit on 1-7-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)
All there is, is this. Including closing this (the window). This is what's happening. Hearing noises is happening. Hearing my voice, hearing this voice. Feelings in the body are happening. Breathing is happening. Everything that's happening is simply oneness.
Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by jiggerj
How can you say No to something you dont know?
Why can it not be the way i have explained it? Is it because you dont understand what i am saying? Or do you know it for a fact that its not how i explained it?edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jiggerj
The religious belief is that a god created everything. This means that there had to have been a State of Absolute Nothing from which this god started with in order to create everything.
Science suggests that there was nothing before the Big Bang.
With both fields agreeing on a point of nothing, then why is it that we cannot return a something BACK into nothing?
For something to become a scientific fact, a formula must work both frontwards and backwards. If a Something cannot be reduced to absolute nothing, then the idea of nothingness before the Big Bang must be false.
In order to prove a god, the religious must also find a way to return something to its nothingness. If this cannot be done, then the material in this universe has always existed. Hence, no god.
Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING in the universe points to a realm of somethingness.
Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by jiggerj
Even if everything already did exist, that does not mean there is no god. God is energy and everything is formed from the infinite energy of him/her self.
Then your definition of a god isn't aligned with the religious belief.
Originally posted by jiggerj
The religious belief is that a god created everything. This means that there had to have been a State of Absolute Nothing from which this god started with in order to create everything.
Science suggests that there was nothing before the Big Bang.
With both fields agreeing on a point of nothing, then why is it that we cannot return a something BACK into nothing?
For something to become a scientific fact, a formula must work both frontwards and backwards. If a Something cannot be reduced to absolute nothing, then the idea of nothingness before the Big Bang must be false.
In order to prove a god, the religious must also find a way to return something to its nothingness. If this cannot be done, then the material in this universe has always existed. Hence, no god.
Originally posted by ImaFungi
reply to post by spy66
"A empty space is not nothing. Its a physical space"
What is the empty space made of or constructed out of if it is physical?
Originally posted by maes9
Originally posted by jiggerj
The religious belief is that a god created everything. This means that there had to have been a State of Absolute Nothing from which this god started with in order to create everything.
Science suggests that there was nothing before the Big Bang.
With both fields agreeing on a point of nothing, then why is it that we cannot return a something BACK into nothing?
For something to become a scientific fact, a formula must work both frontwards and backwards. If a Something cannot be reduced to absolute nothing, then the idea of nothingness before the Big Bang must be false.
In order to prove a god, the religious must also find a way to return something to its nothingness. If this cannot be done, then the material in this universe has always existed. Hence, no god.
your statements are wrong science declares that there are many things in this world that can not get reversed for example if you mix two fluids and they get solved how can you make this event reverse if you think that can you are wrong because there is a concept in the science called exergy loss and irreversablility so because of your wrong hypothesis your conclusion is also wrong.
Originally posted by ImaFungi
reply to post by spy66
ok ok,,,, yea i just was wondering,,,, because you say the space is physical,,,, so im wondering what it is made of because the word physical implies something that has form, and is tangible, and of construct........
im also wondering because the idea of space,,, i always thought is the idea of anti physical,,, or that which is not,,,,, or ,,, nothing.... actual nothing,,,,, void,, of physical characteristics....
interesting though,, is that all things physical depend on this void, or space in order to exist..... without space in what manner would all things in the universe exist? from the most micro and quantom confines to the millions of macro galaxy clusters,,,,, if all space was compressed out and all matter compressed to deny the existence of space between all matter,,,,,, i think this is what scientists believe existed before the big bang....
interesting though,, is that all things physical depend on this void, or space in order to exist..... without space in what manner would all things in the universe exist?
if all space was compressed out and all matter compressed to deny the existence of space between all matter,,,,,, i think this is what scientists believe existed before the big bang....
Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by jiggerj
Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING in the universe points to a realm of somethingness.
The universe is a finite, "You do know the difference between a universe and empty space: Right"?. A empty space is not nothing. Its a physical space that dosent have finite matter and energy within it. It dosent have a universe yet.
Look at this image. If the white aria is empty space and infinitely large in all directions. Where did the black dot come from?
It can only have come from the empty space.
How did it get there?
Originally posted by arpgme
Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by jiggerj
Even if everything already did exist, that does not mean there is no god. God is energy and everything is formed from the infinite energy of him/her self.
Then your definition of a god isn't aligned with the religious belief.
What do you mean "The" religious belief? As if one religion was some sort of authority. You say that your understanding of 'the' religious belief is that "God created everything" and I am saying that this is not what every religious person believe, therefore it is not 'the' religious belief.
God is energy consciousness and he formed everything from himself, this is why some call him The Architect. He is FORMING things out of material (in this case energy) already there (himself). This is why the universe does not need to be created' it is an eternal part of the creator although it is ever changing.
Originally posted by maes9
Originally posted by jiggerj
The religious belief is that a god created everything. This means that there had to have been a State of Absolute Nothing from which this god started with in order to create everything.
Science suggests that there was nothing before the Big Bang.
With both fields agreeing on a point of nothing, then why is it that we cannot return a something BACK into nothing?
For something to become a scientific fact, a formula must work both frontwards and backwards. If a Something cannot be reduced to absolute nothing, then the idea of nothingness before the Big Bang must be false.
In order to prove a god, the religious must also find a way to return something to its nothingness. If this cannot be done, then the material in this universe has always existed. Hence, no god.
your statements are wrong science declares that there are many things in this world that can not get reversed for example if you mix two fluids and they get solved how can you make this event reverse if you think that can you are wrong because there is a concept in the science called exergy loss and irreversablility so because of your wrong hypothesis your conclusion is also wrong.
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I'm just saying the common religious belief is that god looks like man. As for your description, I believe it's much closer to the truth, minus the consciousness part, which is impossible