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The American People Are Angry!

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posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by frazzle
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And you are telling me we are all on the same page? I don't believe you.


Where in the hell did I say that? If a USSR Bolshovik type scorched earth policy is what you're hoping for we aren't even on the same planet. What are you smoking?

But the US military industrial complex profits so well from their scorched earth policies in the middle east that we don't even have the resources or equipment available to fight the fires on our own scorched chunk of earth or rebuild the infrastructure that is falling apart.


I don't mind a bloody revolution IF people know what they are fighting for and provided there is no other alternative. I think the government run by bankers is the one INSTIGATING some kind of disorganised resistance to allow the nwo the excuse it needs for a totalitarian right wing dictatorship.

Ron Paul or jesus christ himself are probably not enough to change the current enviroment. I am here doing my part informing people, not necessarily instigating anything. You and others think socialism is bad when europeans enjoyed working for reasonable hours and a decent pay. American capitalism spread everywhere but americans themselves are not to blame. Don't worry I am an american myself so I share any responsibility.




posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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You should ask me "what is correct, rather than what is wrong".


Okay then, we'll try it your way. What, in your opinion, is correct about the Constitution?



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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The American people are angry! Yup, but they will not do anything about it...

I read this entire thread, while I ate popcorn. Just because you people are funny!

Arguing over rights and legislation. Bwaa Haaa Haaa

You have the right to think, and that is about it. for now!

You all make some valid points and I enjoyed reading them.

Now consider that you guys are some of the MOST informed and intelligent thinking people out there. You can not even start to compromise, or agree on what should be done; or what actions need to be taken.

Now consider that most people do not have the capacity to think for themselves, about anything of value! You are done before you can convince them to do, or agree, or compromise on anything!

Face some facts.
1. You have no communities. (of people who can make proper decisions)
2. The people are NOT starving enough to do anything about it. (meaning there is not a majority starving)
3. Your government does not make decisions, they only follow the orders of whoever is paying them. (and the people are not paying them) Oh you think that you are, but your not!

Follow the money. Everyone says Illuminati/ skull and bones/ NWO/ blaa blaa blaa. Those are just little clubs of people who work together for common goals. Just like Religions/Mennonites/Hutterites/reservations/ ect. Kick the money men out and then you have got a start...that won't happen though because to many people think that one day they can be the 1%

To keep true to this thread, I thought the video was great! At least the guy is speaking his mind and doing something about it. He comes right out and says he will fight for his beliefs. props to him, even though he's now gonna be suicided.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
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The restrictions on firearms serve a purpose.


That purpose is to ensure the public cannot match the military might of the government that serves them. Since the time of Sun Tzu it has been a consistent military strategy that the first thing you do when confronting the enemy is to disarm them. When a government seeks to disarm the very public they serve, from a military stand point it should be obvious how they view this public, as the enemy.

Any restrictions on firearms should work both ways. Had FDR and the military industrial complex he helped build had the proper respect for the 2nd Amendment, they never would have developed nuclear weapons since a proper reading of that 2nd Amendment and its intent makes clear that nuclear weapons include "arms".



If saddam's army is not enough to make a dent in nato hardware what the hell makes you think americans with automatic weapons will? F-22 raptors, b-2 bombers, f-117 attackers, m-1 abrahams, directed energy weapons from heaven, sound cannons, etc.

Not a chance in hell if the army sides with tyrants. Hopefully they will side with the people and I think they will, at least the majority.

the military and police serve a purpose. The people are neither.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 



And you are telling me we are all on the same page? I don't believe you.


Where in the hell did I say that? If a USSR Bolshovik type scorched earth policy is what you're hoping for we aren't even on the same planet. What are you smoking?

But the US military industrial complex profits so well from their scorched earth policies in the middle east that we don't even have the resources or equipment available to fight the fires on our own scorched chunk of earth or rebuild the infrastructure that is falling apart.


I don't mind a bloody revolution IF people know what they are fighting for and provided there is no other alternative. I think the government run by bankers is the one INSTIGATING some kind of disorganised resistance to allow the nwo the excuse it needs for a totalitarian right wing dictatorship.

Ron Paul or jesus christ himself are probably not enough to change the current enviroment. I am here doing my part informing people, not necessarily instigating anything. You and others think socialism is bad when europeans enjoyed working for reasonable hours and a decent pay. American capitalism spread everywhere but americans themselves are not to blame. Don't worry I am an american myself so I share any responsibility.


You seem to be having trouble comprehending what people are saying to you. Nowhere have I suggested a "bloody revolution", in fact, I have explained why they seldom work to improve anything. The American Revolution was one of the exceptions and still it died before puberty.

Socialism, communism ~ all the isms take the labor of the people for the rulers benefit and give back crumbs, as long as you're a good little socialist or communist. All others are relegated to the gulags.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 04:33 PM
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You seriously have a comprehension problem, or are willfully attempting to frame others arguments in fraudulent ways.

My point was that restrictions have to work both ways. No one should have nuclear weapons. Not any individual and certainly not governments.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by frazzle

You seem to be having trouble comprehending what people are saying to you. Nowhere have I suggested a "bloody revolution", in fact, I have explained why they seldom work to improve anything. The American Revolution was one of the exceptions and still it died before puberty.


I never accused you of wanting a bloody revolution but you hinted that I did. Then I answered what I THOUGHT of a bloody revolution. Learn to read man..


Socialism, communism ~ all the isms take the labor of the people for the rulers benefit and give back crumbs, as long as you're a good little socialist or communist. All others are relegated to the gulags.


Capitalism and religion have conspired to kill more people silently than all the make believe ism's you can come up with. Masonry supports both in the right hand package. South and Central america is full of banker scums putting the hurt on the non-spanish locals much more than on the spanish decendants.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
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You seriously have a comprehension problem, or are willfully attempting to frame others arguments in fraudulent ways.

My point was that restrictions have to work both ways. No one should have nuclear weapons. Not any individual and certainly not governments.


I am not framing arguements. The discussion proceeds by its own. You put input, I get the output and then put my input. Stop with the ad hominem attacks as they are offensive.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 04:49 PM
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Of course, once again you ignore the point of my argument and descend into personal notes. You make the point that there should be restrictions on firearms. I counter that these restrictions have to work both ways. If the government wants to find a compelling reason to restrict fully automated weapons, or fighter jets, or nuclear weapons, those restrictions must apply to the government as well, otherwise we have the government we do and not the Constitutional republic that was established.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
I never accused you of wanting a bloody revolution but you hinted that I did. Then I answered what I THOUGHT of a bloody revolution. Learn to read man..

Capitalism and religion have conspired to kill more people silently than all the make believe ism's you can come up with. Masonry supports both in the right hand package. South and Central america is full of banker scums putting the hurt on the non-spanish locals much more than on the spanish decendants.


Your own words: "I don't mind a bloody revolution if people know what they're fighting for". You don't even comprehend what YOU say.

Capitalism is not the problem, however CRONY capitalism has done more than its share of killing and it is extremely socialistic in nature, taking from the labor of the people for the benefit of the rulers and their cronies. When capital is controlled by private bankers it soon becomes crony capitalism and through the control of capital the financiers become the owners of government. Religion is a crony capitalist's and fascist's best tool and cover.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


Of course, once again you ignore the point of my argument and descend into personal notes. You make the point that there should be restrictions on firearms. I counter that these restrictions have to work both ways. If the government wants to find a compelling reason to restrict fully automated weapons, or fighter jets, or nuclear weapons, those restrictions must apply to the government as well, otherwise we have the government we do and not the Constitutional republic that was established.



Only a conservative tries to seperate government from everything else. Only a conservative tries to put all the blame on the government. In theory and in ideal circumstances the government is a continuation of the people and the nation it represents. A government governs. It should NOT be a business entity, it should be a legislative/judicial/executionary entity.

I am done trying to SPLIT HAIRS with people that pretend they are incapable of comprehending basic stuff. It is SCARY how unintelligent and ignorant people coming out of high school and college are today. REALLY SCARY!



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 05:11 PM
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You know what? You can call it "ad hominmen attacks" all you want. You are purposely distorting other peoples arguments. I haven't made any argument of "separation". Quite the contrary what I have just argued is that a government of We the People, for the People and by the People must live with the same restrictions on rights that any of the governed must and that is far from separation.

Your distortion of other people's arguments continues when you claim these people you are arguing with "pretend they are incapable of comprehending basic stuff." Again, quite the contrary, I, and certainly frazzle are not pretending any such thing and the both of us clearly have a firm grasp on "basic stuff".



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by frazzle

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
I never accused you of wanting a bloody revolution but you hinted that I did. Then I answered what I THOUGHT of a bloody revolution. Learn to read man..

Capitalism and religion have conspired to kill more people silently than all the make believe ism's you can come up with. Masonry supports both in the right hand package. South and Central america is full of banker scums putting the hurt on the non-spanish locals much more than on the spanish decendants.


Your own words: "I don't mind a bloody revolution if people know what they're fighting for". You don't even comprehend what YOU say.


You said this....


I was going to ask what France or Russia have to do with the Constitution, but they are actually pretty good examples of what happens after a revolution or war when people are distracted and exhausted from the fighting. And what that provides is an open invitation for opportunists to slip in unnoticed during the chaos and buy up the spoils for a tenth of their previous value which makes the reasons for revolting in the first place much worse. So the people suffer, sometimes for many generations.


And then this...


Where in the hell did I say that? If a USSR Bolshovik type scorched earth policy is what you're hoping for we aren't even on the same planet. What are you smoking?


Then I proceeded to answer your rude comments about what I think of a bloody revolution.


Still cannot compute basic math? If you don't like talking about a bloody revolution then just ignore it, but please stop with the fraudulent accusations. I never accused you of anything...other than what I am accusing you of now!



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


You know what? You can call it "ad hominmen attacks" all you want. You are purposely distorting other peoples arguments. I haven't made any argument of "separation". Quite the contrary what I have just argued is that a government of We the People, for the People and by the People must live with the same restrictions on rights that any of the governed must and that is far from separation.

Your distortion of other people's arguments continues when you claim these people you are arguing with "pretend they are incapable of comprehending basic stuff." Again, quite the contrary, I, and certainly frazzle are not pretending any such thing and the both of us clearly have a firm grasp on "basic stuff".


Maybe we should try a more esoteric approach. Maybe throw in a little poetry and mysticism for the communistically initiated since the basics are beneath them.




edit on 6-7-2012 by frazzle because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 05:22 PM
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In both instances I was pointing out the futility and harmful effects of revolution.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 05:27 PM
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Maybe we should try a more esoteric approach. Maybe throw in a little poetry and mysticism for the communistically initiated since the basics are beneath them.


Proletariat art is a misnomer. They view art as "snotty highbrow" stuff. It is the deep flaw in Marxism that always leads to his followers stumbling. Of course, Marx did not much care for the followers, and wound up declaring "I am not a Marxist!", but he was being somewhat disingenuous pretending that it was the fault of his followers and not of his own philosophy.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by frazzle

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
I never accused you of wanting a bloody revolution but you hinted that I did. Then I answered what I THOUGHT of a bloody revolution. Learn to read man..

Capitalism and religion have conspired to kill more people silently than all the make believe ism's you can come up with. Masonry supports both in the right hand package. South and Central america is full of banker scums putting the hurt on the non-spanish locals much more than on the spanish decendants.


Your own words: "I don't mind a bloody revolution if people know what they're fighting for". You don't even comprehend what YOU say.


Yes. I know and NEVER denied saying that. Can you show/prove WHERE I said(or even implied) that YOU want a bloody revolution though? I bet you cannot. End of story.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
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Maybe we should try a more esoteric approach. Maybe throw in a little poetry and mysticism for the communistically initiated since the basics are beneath them.


Proletariat art is a misnomer. They view art as "snotty highbrow" stuff. It is the deep flaw in Marxism that always leads to his followers stumbling. Of course, Marx did not much care for the followers, and wound up declaring "I am not a Marxist!", but he was being somewhat disingenuous pretending that it was the fault of his followers and not of his own philosophy.


Good points. Perhaps that's why marxists always talk around issues and never directly address any of them. The whole philosophy seems to wander around aimlessly in a neverending maze of feel good nonsense.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
I never accused you of wanting a bloody revolution but you hinted that I did. Then I answered what I THOUGHT of a bloody revolution. Learn to read man..

\Yes. I know and NEVER denied saying that. Can you show/prove WHERE I said(or even implied) that YOU want a bloody revolution though? I bet you cannot. End of story.


Of course I can't show that, "wanting a bloody revolution" was never mentioned by either you or me. What is your purpose in suggesting it was?



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 07:26 PM
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Still cannot compute basic math? If you don't like talking about a bloody revolution then just ignore it, but please stop with the fraudulent accusations. I never accused you of anything...other than what I am accusing you of now!


Before you can reach a correct equation you have to have all the components of the formula. I just found another component.


earthcitizen:

I am talking electroshock therapy, punctured organs, extreme heat therapy, pulling nails, homosexual activity, etc.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


That's not seeking justice, it's unmitigated revenge which is never a good way to start building a just society. Or have you thought that far into the future?



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