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The American People Are Angry!

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posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 02:58 PM
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posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by habitforming

Originally posted by frazzle
So its beginning to look like being a pirate like a Somali might be the logical career choice in coming years. It’s about the only free market left on earth.


When you post that # from Somalia then you might have something. I am so sick of you cowards sitting at your safe desks ranting on and on about how you want No government yet not a damn one of you will get up off your ass and just go to a place already like that. For some reason you stay right where you are and bitch about it.


Lets talk about how people in our own country are showered with the blessings of total federal care and control, since you are so impressed with it.

www.re-member.org...


Tribal Government records show 38,000 enrolled members living on Pine Ridge Reservation.

Extreme Poverty

The poverty on Pine Ridge can be described in no other terms than third world. It is common to find homes overcrowded, as those with homes take in whoever needs a roof over their heads. Many homes are without running water, and without sewer.

Pine Ridge Statistics as of 2007
•Unemployment rate of 80-90%
•Per capita income of $4,000
•8 Times the United States rate of diabetes
•5 Times the United States rate of cervical cancer
•Twice the rate of heart disease
•8 Times the United States rate of Tuberculosis
•Alcoholism rate estimated as high as 80%
•1 in 4 infants born with fetal alcohol syndrome or effects
•Suicide rate more than twice the national rate
•Teen suicide rate 4 times the national rate
•Infant mortality is three times the national rate
•Life expectancy on Pine Ridge is the lowest in the United States and the 2nd lowest in the Western Hemisphere. Only Haiti has a lower rate.


These people have a free health care system called Indian Health Services, paid for by taxpayers and doled out to the people by the federal government. The only thing protecting you from receiving such wonderful care is the multiple layers of state, county and local governments as a buffer to pure federal control. But Fast and Furious should be reassigned to describe the mad dash by the feds to overwrite those protections over the past two decades. They're almost gone now.

So when you are as equal as the Indians, you'll probably be crying like a little girl over how much they lied about wanting to love and care for you. But you will have brought it on yourself because they are lying to you just as they lied to the Sioux. If you don't learn from history you will be doomed to repeat it.

legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...

Oh, I forgot to include the map of what they were promised by the treaty of 1868 ~



Shrunk a bit, didn't it? Don't forget it because that's how its done.



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posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 06:03 PM
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And yet, with all that regulation, the US is still way better than Somalia with its NO REGULATION.
Thank you for making my point for me.

You do not even know what the hell you are arguing here. You proved me right but you did even more damage to your own point.


I never said the US was perfect exactly how it is.
You have said though however that it would be perfect were it just like Somalia. Well, Somalia is already just like Somalia so get on over there and start posting from there. Then I can take you seriously.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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And yet, with all that regulation, the US is still way better than Somalia with its NO REGULATION. Thank you for making my point for me.


What utter nonsense is this? Do you expect everyone to pretend that the strong central government created through federalism by a Constitution for the United States of America is also present in Somalia the only difference is that Somalia has no regulations in the market place? In this site we deny ignorance, which is not to say you should say: "Nuh-uh, I'm not ignorant" but is to say that when someone posts ignorant remarks other members are encouraged to deny it and post actual information to inform and instruct, of which you have thus far ignored in order to keep posting ignorant remarks.

Somalia does not have a central government, and is in the midst of an ongoing civil war. Do you understand? This is not the product of a free market, it is the product of political struggles.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by habitforming
reply to post by frazzle
 


I never said the US was perfect exactly how it is.


But you certainly want what the American Indians get, federal health care. Now you know how well it works.


You have said though however that it would be perfect were it just like Somalia. Well, Somalia is already just like Somalia so get on over there and start posting from there. Then I can take you seriously.


Where did I say anything was perfect ANYwhere, including Somalia? I will say in their defense, though, that the Somali pirates are pirating because foreign governments and corporations won't listen to reason. They never do when there's a profit to be had.


The international community has come out in force to condemn and declare war on the Somali fishermen pirates, while discreetly protecting the illegal, unreported and unregulated (IUU) fleets from around the world that have been poaching and dumping toxic waste in Somali waters since the fall of the Somali government eighteen years ago.
www.projectcensored.org...

Doesn't it just chap your azz that all you can do about getting me to "shut up and go to Somalia" is sit there and bang out demands on your keyboard? Maybe you should try to be like a pirate and chase my posts off to Somalia with your tubby toy speed boat.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 06:56 PM
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An overthrow does need to happen.... an overthrow of this two-party system that keeps us going in circles when both sides are really just the same!

The Republicans and Democrats both need to go and we need a better electoral system as well as term limits to do away with some of the corruption that has overtaken our system of government.

We can sit and talk about it and write about it until the cows come home, but until people are willing to stand up and do something about it, we'll continue in the endless cycle.




posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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If voting worked, it would be illegal. If this election year hasn't proved that, nothing will.

Sorry, I wish it could be otherwise, too, but it just isn't.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
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Since you linked right back to the banking crises, let me spell it out for you so any 7th grader can understand. Under the Federal Reserve, a government created cartel of private banks, there is no such thing as free market banking. Interest rates are controlled by the Fed, inflation, hyperinflation, deflation, and depressions are all controllable by the government. The banking crises was not because of a free market and how many times am I going to have to repeat this? "De-regulation" is not unregulated. The banking system was not unregulated, and in the newspeak world of government sycophants, war is peace, slavery is freedom, and "de-regulation" is unregulated, but your Orwellian world is what has brought all the economic crises across the world, not the free market.


A government run by private central bankers is not an ideal government and has no bearance with a government by the people and for the people. And yes it is a controlled market because there is no such thing as a free market.

Rules are rules and someone always makes them, like in sports!



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by PurpleChiten
 


If voting worked, it would be illegal. If this election year hasn't proved that, nothing will.

Sorry, I wish it could be otherwise, too, but it just isn't.


That is an abused cliche. Just vote what you want. simple as that! Ron Paul is ok but there are about 50 parties to choose from. Are people BLIND when they vote or too lazy to research what they stand for??



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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A government run by private central bankers is not an ideal government and has no bearance with a government by the people and for the people.


You are, of course, making my argument, because in the U.S. this is precisely what we have, a government run by private central bankers, and it is no doubt an usurpation of the government established by We the People.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
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A government run by private central bankers is not an ideal government and has no bearance with a government by the people and for the people.


You are, of course, making my argument, because in the U.S. this is precisely what we have, a government run by private central bankers, and it is no doubt an usurpation of the government established by We the People.


So when the republicans push for "free markets" and continous deregulation such as reagan are they lying or actually trying to make things worse? It seems unions are getting killed and big business is the friendly pet of these bankers.

The rich rub shoulders with the rich at bohemian groove and the secret bilderberger meetings OTHERWISE the pets would have turned on their masters, correct?


Like I said there is no such thing as "free markets" and continuing to argue FOR IT is either disingenuous or ignorant wishful thinking. The whole point is WHO CONTROLS the system and FOR WHAT PURPOSE!



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 08:34 PM
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Yah sure, I'm a big fan of cliches. They make more sense to me than voting and expecting to get a better government than the last one proved to be.

Actions speak louder than words.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Never say never.
Laughter is the best medicine.
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 08:36 PM
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So when the republicans push for "free markets"


Republicans do not push for free markets. They may push for "free markets" in the same way you decry "free markets", but "free markets" as they're being sold to the public today are heavily regulated markets which are not free markets.




and continous deregulation


Deregulation is not unregulated. How many times am I going to have to repeat that?




Like I said there is no such thing as "free markets"


If this is true why do you keep wasting your time railing against free markets?



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
 


Like I said there is no such thing as "free markets" and continuing to argue FOR IT is either disingenuous or ignorant wishful thinking. The whole point is WHO CONTROLS the system and FOR WHAT PURPOSE!


Posted a few pages back, but maybe it'll make more sense worded a little differently.


In the 1750s, the Colonies were very prosperous. There was no income tax, no unemployment, and stable prices. When asked to explain this prosperity to leaders back in the motherland, Benjamin Franklin replied;

“That is simple. In the Colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Script. We issue it in proper proportion to the demands of trade and industry to make the products pass easily from the producers to the consumers. In this manner, creating for ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power, and we have no interest to pay to no one”.

In 1764, the production of Colonial Script was made illegal by the Currency Act, passed into law in England (of course due to pressure from the Bank of England) prohibiting the Colonies from issuing their own money, ordering them to use only the money that was provided (in insufficient quantities) by the English bankers. Benjamin Franklin said,

“In one year, the conditions were so reversed that the era of prosperity ended, and a depression set in, to such an extent that the streets of the Colonies were filled with unemployed”.


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Can it get any clearer? When the people issue their own money there is prosperity and a free market, when the banks issue money there is poverty for the people and favoritism to the wealthy. Get it?

Now call your representatives and see if you can talk any of them into writing a bill to throw out the bankers and start issuing DEBT free currency like Ben Franklin said. A compound interest debt based economy created by the banks is what prevents a free market from functioning properly.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by habitforming
 





And yet, with all that regulation, the US is still way better than Somalia with its NO REGULATION. Thank you for making my point for me.


What utter nonsense is this? Do you expect everyone to pretend that the strong central government created through federalism by a Constitution for the United States of America is also present in Somalia the only difference is that Somalia has no regulations in the market place? In this site we deny ignorance, which is not to say you should say: "Nuh-uh, I'm not ignorant" but is to say that when someone posts ignorant remarks other members are encouraged to deny it and post actual information to inform and instruct, of which you have thus far ignored in order to keep posting ignorant remarks.

Somalia does not have a central government, and is in the midst of an ongoing civil war. Do you understand? This is not the product of a free market, it is the product of political struggles.





I thought we were talking about regulation?
What are you arguing about central governments for?
Does that negate my point about regulation at all?



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 09:12 PM
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I thought we were talking about regulation? What are you arguing about central governments for? Does that negate my point about regulation at all?


A strong central government is not equated with market regulation. A strong central government is equated with the rule of law and there is nothing about the rule of law that demands market regulation.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


Yah sure, I'm a big fan of cliches. They make more sense to me than voting and expecting to get a better government than the last one proved to be.

Actions speak louder than words.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Never say never.
Laughter is the best medicine.
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.


HOW would you know that if ONLY TWO parties EVER win EVERY election?

Like I said about 50 parties exist, sure not all of them in all states, but many in some states.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 09:22 PM
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Did you know Ireland just scrapped out 7500 electronic voting machines in all 14 of its voting locations? Do you have any idea why they might have done that? Do you know why that won't happen in the US?

www.thomhartmann.com...



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 09:24 PM
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Are you talking about a nationalised currency or competing private currencies like mentioned by Ron Paul?

Socialism implies the nationalisation of industry and banking....aka "the means of production".

Kind of hard to have a nationalised currency when the government itself, and all the agencies, are registered corporations in the state of delaware.

Full privatisation leeds to state capitalism sleeping with big business. Read some marxist literature but do not confuse communism, socialism and anarchy. communism everything is public, socialism is a mixed economy and capitalism everything is private.

You are beating yourself with your incomplete knowledge of politics and economics!



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by frazzle
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Did you know Ireland just scrapped out 7500 electronic voting machines in all 14 of its voting locations? Do you have any idea why they might have done that? Do you know why that won't happen in the US?

www.thomhartmann.com...



A Spanish Company Known As Scytl Will Be Reporting Election Results For Hundreds Of U.S. Jurisdictions On Election Day.....it will be hard to verify the results.....Soros may have connections to Scytl.

Can you smell what Obama is cooking? Smells fishy to me.



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