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America Is Not The Greatest Country Anymore - "The Newsroom" (Jeff Daniels)

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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 12:03 AM
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Many people think that people in the united states are blind or just sheeple when in reality many do see what is wrong with this country to a certain extent and they just prefer to not deal with it.

NOt because it is too difficult not because they don't care but because you really cannot change anything. Sometimes I am surprised how many people understand how the world is run.

There are a few things you can do about it. Make your life bitter and whine about it always which is what many of you do today... which has not changed anything mind you. Or you can just ignore it and make your life as happy as you can with what you have in front of you. In the usa you have much opportunity still even thought it has already been eroded as time has passed by. I mean starting a business is hella hard with all the red tape you need to go through... even simply being a handy man take soo much licensing insurance and training to even get license.

We literally cannot change anything. This system is set up where the rich changed our government(USA) where they can buy or bully politicians. Even if we did happen to get a president which cleaned house in washington those corporations and banks would retaliate by putting the hurt on the people and our country in general till we would fall back in line. The banks run the show and always have, but the extent at which they control vary through out the history of a country. (lincoln comes to mind and the war of 1812)

SO where does that leave us?? It leaves us where there will only be change if we are conquered by a new super power OR there is revolution or we just continue to be under the thumb of these individuals. Two of these are full of blood shed and the later would be the same as crime would go up more. This is the reason why so many just decide to do the best they can right now and it seems that there are enough people who are still doing fine in this great country to keep any kind of revolution from happening.

i think until all you whiners on this site who live in the USA and are not ready to charge the white house to take your country back you should just stfu. Because you will not get change through the current system or by whining.

Oh I am still trying to figure out why the percentage of people who believe in GOd religion or angels or whatever was mentioned considering that belief in GOd religion or angels has been huge in this country since the beginning and has been deteriorating since then. Does this mean decline in belief in GOd religion or angels goes down as things get crappier or they get crappier due to belief in GOd religion or angels.
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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:22 AM
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The greatest war mongers, by far
They will go to any length to get their wars. Sad.

Chaplin said it best in 1940
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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 04:04 AM
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Dear Ben81,
Interesting video, thanks for sharing.

One question to your title: Was it ever the "greatest" country? Please kindly define how it was/is/may have been and provide statistical comparative data to back it up.

The feeling I have is that the American people thought it was, because everyone has an ego and likes to believe they are the best or better than everyone else simple because society wants you to be competitive at every level, because when you're competing you're easier to control en masse.

The reality is thatr you were all sold as much of a lie as the rest of the planet, you have less freedoms than your counterparts as well as worse healthcare, education, vacation time and pay.

Please educate me if I am wrong and please let's not have egotistical responses.

T



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 06:10 AM
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Originally posted by votan
Many people think that people in the united states are blind or just sheeple when in reality many do see what is wrong with this country to a certain extent and they just prefer to not deal with it.


Congrats, you just actually DEFINED sheeple.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 08:11 AM
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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 12:47 PM
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I find it stunning how many of you equate "freedom" with so-called "free". Free medical, education and the like.

First, nothing is free, never has been,never will be. there is always a price, be it taxes or other freedoms such as "choice".

The predominant principal is stay the heck out of our lives. Ensure our protection nationally, take care of the interstate issues, when that's done, go back into hybernation!!

Freedom isn't a measurable "statisitic". Freedom includes the choice of dumb, stupid and ill advised. It is an umbrella under which both positives and negatives can and do flourish. GET IT?

To even ask for 'statistics' that proves a "greatest" label is proof of non-understanding of the concept.

You say the US people have been lied to, of course they have! Just like every other country on earth. We know it.
What you don't seem to get is why we defend it in spite of that. See the above, either you get it or you don't. We defend the right to both the positive and the negative. That is the only real freedom....



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 01:06 PM
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This discussion is somewhat dated, or at least the criterion for being the "greatest nation" is. TPTB don't identify with a nationality anymore. They identify with a goal. In this way, America will have been the last great nation, the one who enabled the destruction of national identities for want of a peaceful, post-national veneer that overlays the entire globe. In some ways, this has always been the general goal of America, and corporate fascism has been a surprisingly old identifiable possible outcome which weighed heavily on the hearts and minds of formative powerful American leaders. My source is a book called "Tragedy of American Diplomacy" by William Williams, but I can't be bothered to thumb through the pages right now to give specific names.

I can't recommend a better source for understanding that what we are in the midst of isn't much of a conspiracy, but more the outcome of sane, brilliant synergy in powerful circles reacting to and in response to one another.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by nwtrucker
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I find it stunning how many of you equate "freedom" with so-called "free". Free medical, education and the like.



"Freedom(s)" is a word that has been molested unceasingly in recent years for political agenda purposes.

20 years ago when the "greatest generation" still lived, folks who volunteered and fought in a war to stop a genocidal madman, folks who returned home and benefited from the "socialist" GI Bill and went to college...those men who walked amongst the survivors of Auschwitz...they understood "Freedom".

"Medical, Education"??? I once spent a month living with a "primitive" tribe in Papua New Guinea...every morning before the sun rose the children were gathered in the village center and taught the ways of their ancestors, the knowledge of the forest, everything they would need to survive.

Who taught them those things? The elders, the oldest villagers...who were cared for and tended to by the rest of the village despite their inability to work or hunt.

Medical care and education are the core of any nation. It is not a hand out. It is the very reason that people band together in the first place.

To borrow a line from "Newsroom"...when I hear politicians talking about us "losing our freedoms" because we choose not to let someone suffer and die when they are sick or because we want our children educated..."I don't know WHAT THE EF they are talking about"

"We used to wage a war on Poverty...not the poor"
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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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Having checked out your "home". I see your agenda driven re Obamacare.

I cannot support a Mandatory program that goes directly to Private insurance companies, diminishes Medicaid and overall health care with no public option. If you want control of your health options in the hands of morons that killed the economy and have us 16 trillion in debt, so be it. I'll pass thanks.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 04:48 AM
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Dear Nwtrucker,
I think you missed the "no egotistical responses". You just showed me the exact stereotype of why Americans think America is the greatest. Asking for statistical data is valid, or otherwise how are you defining greatest? Simply because you think it is? Greatest is a comparative term, therefore it asks, no begs, for comparative data.

Freedom, as you so put it, is not subjective actually. Please enlighten yourself on freedom of speech, freedom to healthcare, freedom to vote, etc.. etc.. They are real tangible freedoms, albeit masked by the western form of control.

You were so far off base it's not even laughable, it's pitiful. Make more effort if you're going to even attempt to retort, because simply put you're just another arrogant egotistical American who thinks America is the greatest because it "Gets Er done"..

I was asking for an intellectual discussion, not some guy swinging his dick on a forum. Got it?

T



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 08:21 AM
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A little sidebar on Germany:
It's also the home country of ordoliberalism:
Basic thought: Free markets are great. For them to be free they must be tightly regulated.



Ordoliberal theory holds that the state must create a proper legal environment for the economy and maintain a healthy level of competition (rather than just "exchange") through measures that adhere to market principles. This is the foundation of its legitimacy[18] The concern is that, if the state does not take active measures to foster competition, firms with monopoly (or oligopoly) power will emerge, which will not only subvert the advantages offered by the market economy, but also possibly undermine good government, since strong economic power can be transformed into political power.

en.wikipedia.org...

Does the above sound familiar?



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by nwtrucker
Germany you say. I find your logic one-sided. I understand once your hired you cannot be fired??? What's up with that?

It's not true, that's what's up with that. Of course you can be fired.


Originally posted by nwtrucker
You ignore the immigrantion issues of Europe/Germany.

Germany is currently facing an increasing shortage of skilled workers to satisfy our demand, so we need even more well qualified imigrants.


Originally posted by nwtrucker
A debt load in the Euro-zone equal to if not worse than the US.

Are you kidding? Maybe in the whole €Z combined, but Germany's debt is nowhere near the U.S's.
Our Debt-to-GDP ratio is still imroving and if it wasn't for the rescue fund, that ratio would be even better.
Projections for the debt ratio in the upcomming years are decreasing, from €25 billion new dept in 2013 to €15 billion in 2015.


Originally posted by nwtrucker
All the positives of Germany are an indirect benefit of a US military presence for around three generations,at US expense of course.

U.S. military presence definitely played it's part, but to say ALL our positives are a result of it would be a vast exaggeration.

Check this thread on why Germany is succesful for more information.
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posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 10:08 AM
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NOt because it is too difficult not because they don't care but because you really cannot change anything. Sometimes I am surprised how many people understand how the world is run.


Most of the people I know are sadly more uninformed than they should be, mostly because they are exhausted from working themselves to death.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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Sigh, "Freedoms to" as in constitutional articulations are "paper freedoms" easily subverted/given lip service to. Certainly the qualitive aspect also negates a statistical "proof" that you pretend to desire.

I refer to a conceptual definition/description. Certainly the US has been and is losing freedoms almost on a daily basis and may in fact may no longer be, if it ever was, the standard for freedom.

Your demand for statistical proof of freedom is poorly thought out to say the least.

The more accurate statement is Liberty, not freedom. The phrase was "Give me Liberty or give me death" not give me freedom or death.

I won't waste my time giving you a "101" level of understanding re the differences between the two.

To rebut your "swinging dick Americans", I am a Canadian borne, permanent resident of the US.

Perhaps you should consider testosterone injections. You might develope some swing in your dick AND the mind tends to sharpen up as well, apparently. Your lacking in both, I fear......



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 11:00 AM
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I was lumping Germany with the Union to an extent. Is that not a fair assessment? I'm a little surprised that you suffer from a skilled worker shortage. To what do you attribute that shortage?

Otherwise, it's good to hear that Germany is doing well.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 11:04 AM
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I never claimed America was the greatest country ion the world, just a great one.

Until the bankers and Obamacare ruined it.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by nwtrucker
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Sigh, "Freedoms to" as in constitutional articulations are "paper freedoms" easily subverted/given lip service to. Certainly the qualitive aspect also negates a statistical "proof" that you pretend to desire.

I refer to a conceptual definition/description. Certainly the US has been and is losing freedoms almost on a daily basis and may in fact may no longer be, if it ever was, the standard for freedom.

Your demand for statistical proof of freedom is poorly thought out to say the least.

The more accurate statement is Liberty, not freedom. The phrase was "Give me Liberty or give me death" not give me freedom or death.

I won't waste my time giving you a "101" level of understanding re the differences between the two.

To rebut your "swinging dick Americans", I am a Canadian borne, permanent resident of the US.

Perhaps you should consider testosterone injections. You might develope some swing in your dick AND the mind tends to sharpen up as well, apparently. Your lacking in both, I fear......



My demand is not poorly thought out, you simply do not wish to answer, those are two very separate things. To state someone's thoughts are poorly thought out is both arrogant and embarrassing to say the least. I won't waste my time with you either, and by the way if you wish to pretend to be educated with your use of English you may want to actually investigate the difference between your and you're. Common mistake made on your side of the pond.

The last sentence is offensive, and a personal attack. You may wish to also look at the T&Cs, but with a low post count as yours, I have an inkling as to what kind of poster you are.

We're done Dear, go back to your base responses to the rest of the posts (above and below),

T



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 12:44 PM
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Apologies for the grammitcal errors. I'm a pre-computor type and have never conquered the keyboard. As far as arrogant, perhaps. look at your post as an example before judging mine.

My interest is in sharing views, not popularity. If you require a pissing contest to "measure" freedoms via "statistics", oh well. I don't answer them because I have no interest in it. Sharing views doesn't require "measuring" them against each other, especially when the measuring stick is suspect.

If you have a point, state it, let it stand on it's own merit. If you disagree with mine, that's fine, state your reasoning. Your have done neither.





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