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People with Morals

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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:15 PM
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Believe it or not, but people with morals are joined in a conspiracy against people who lack morals.

It's this conspiracy against, say, thugs, street people, badasses, pimps, whores, sex industry workers, strippers, escorts, etc. of the alike. Pretty much anyone that lacks morals in the eyes of the people with morals.

I need one of you moral people to step in here, because I got a question for you... Do you hate people that lack morals? Yes or no? And why to your answer?




posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:20 PM
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Morals are a funny thing, you see, even the people you mentioned have morals, just a different set than what society has.

society dictates what is moral, nothing more really, its a collective thing that is ever changing.

What society you belong to tends to dictate your morals, a criminal society or underworld does not lack morals, they are just a different set than what is the norm.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:23 PM
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Everyone has morals.

How high the standards of those morals are varies from person to person.

Since it's all social conditioning to begin with (imo), i firmly believe you can't judge someone based on his/her morals, since it also varies from person to person how heavily you actually weigh someone's morality against their personality.

For example, you could be sitting in a bar having a nice chat with a prostitute for hours without you even knowing it's a prostitute. Does that person you had that nice chat with suddenly change overnight when you do find out he/she sells sex?



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:24 PM
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I have morals .
It is not my place to judge others.
I pray to God that when TSHTF i'm never in a situation where I have to kill anyone, because if I am I will not hesitate.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by benrl
Morals are a funny thing, you see, even the people you mentioned have morals, just a different set than what society has.

society dictates what is moral, nothing more really, its a collective thing that is ever changing.

What society you belong to tends to dictate your morals, a criminal society or underworld does not lack morals, they are just a different set than what is the norm.


Couldn't have put it better myself.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:30 PM
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I have morals but I don't hate people who lack them. I accept them and love them and bless them. It's not my place to judge, only to share.

God is the unity of all conceivable pairs of opposites. Including good/evil, moral/immoral. There is an aspect of God that lacks morals. Rejecting an aspect of God, instead of being in accord with it, only causes disharmony. It isn't easy.

"Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing,
there is a field. I'll meet you there.

When the soul lies down in that grass,
the world is too full to talk about.
Ideas, language, even the phrase each other
doesn't make any sense." -Rumi


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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:30 PM
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Believe it or not, but people with morals are joined in a conspiracy against people who lack morals.

It's this conspiracy against, say, thugs, street people, badasses, pimps, whores, sex industry workers, strippers, escorts, etc. of the alike. Pretty much anyone that lacks morals in the eyes of the people with morals.

I need one of you moral people to step in here, because I got a question for you... Do you hate people that lack morals? Yes or no? And why to your answer?


As far as whores, sex industy workers, strippers and escorts,,,,,,,would they even be an issue if the so called "moral" people didn't want their services???

As far as bad asses, pimps and thugs,,, aren't they just predators who take advantage of the weak?

I think your question would be much better put if you just asked, "What is morality?"



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:30 PM
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If you hate some one for not having morals then do you have morals?

No person is going to have the exact same life as you. Your perspective is your own. Morals should be used to make your life better. Not to make your self fell a fauls sense of superiority. If you look down on people who do not have morals then you only hold morals to fell superior.

Try putting your self in the shoes of a "criminal" from birth to death. The way they wear raised, their surroundings made them who they are. Most "criminals" have no choice, some times you have to steal and kill to survive.

I am very lucky to live the life that I do. I am more "aware" then most. I have been introduced to morals and was tough them growing up. Im not talking about social morals, like no stealing ect... but to assess a situation and decide weather a action is morally right. For example. When I was a kid I used to steal candy... The way I saw it, if I steal from a gas station then I cost the INDIVIDUAL OWNER money but if I steal candy from a big store like wallmart it only takes money out of a evil corporation. So is stealing wrong period? Wallmart wages war against us the people, the absolute least we can do is take a candy bar.


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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:36 PM
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I would consider myself to be a reasonably moral person, although like every other living person, I regularly commit sins. To be honest there is really nothing that I can think of at this time I have done which would be considered "bad" by anything in Western or Christian moral standards. That is, unless, cursing has suddenly become immoral.


So let me put it this way: hate the sin, not the sinner. That is the main point of judge and ye shall be judged (paraphrasing). One may judge a person's actions at that time but not the overall integrity of his true person (i.e. soul), that is not for any living man to judge. For example, I may say Joe Blow who raped a woman was absolutely wrong in doing so and should be punished to the fullest extant of the law, but I may not say he is a fundamentally evil person. Going by this logic I cannot truly judge any "immoral" person based upon some abstract thought, nor may I call them evil or say that I hate them.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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I'm a woman with a lot of years in on this world, and I always noticed the seeming double standard that men had toward women called 'the madonna-whore syndrome' and if you do searches with the right words, maybe put that with 'scientific basis' it seems that some of our morals are based in natural selection within the human specie's evolution.

Heres a good link in that regard: www.wolfmanproductions.com...
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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 06:01 PM
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I feel the very act of hating a group or judging a person on there affiliation shows a certain lack of high morality.
I personally try not to hate anything or anyone. I may not like you or trust you, I may not want to associate with you or have my loved one exposed to your world and philosophy but I wont hate you.
I feel the very act of hate degrades the person doing the hating.
Showing kindness and understanding to another person may be the very thing that starts them down a more positive path. Now if they pose an immediate threat to you or your loved ones.....that's another story! You will definately see some very strong "not liking" come down
But hopefully not


Natural consequences



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 06:08 PM
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The thing about morals, are that they are self serving. "Moral people" or people who claim to be, often have morals that suit them or help them in some way. Usually giving them a superiority complex.

About the only honest existence, is just acknowledging human behaviour, and accepting that we are all governed by human shortcomings.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 06:12 PM
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Wallmart wages war against us the people, the absolute least we can do is take a candy bar.

 


I would suggest not shopping there or boycotting instead.



Even that is difficult though, because Walmart has monopolized their distribution lines. Independent shops who sell the same products cannot compete and either go out of business or fail during start up.

However, you are right. Walmart will crash when it is taken down, but not from candy bars, eventually someone will take it down from the inside.

The corruption at the top is what leads to the downfall of organizations like this. So long as it doesn't receive taxpayer bailouts like the banks did. As that was a market correction that should have taken place but somehow didn't.
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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 06:19 PM
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Speaking of morals, anyone who pays tax is complicit in their nations acts of aggression throughout the world. If your government is involved in drone attacks on rural ME villages, and those attacks kill non-combatant civilians then you are a contributor to those actions.

A person with so called "morals" would refuse to pay tax or support something of that nature. A person with morals would be outraged at prospering off the death of people simple to keep a higher nation status throughout the world.

As regular people who are a cog in the machine, most will ignore this little train of thought. I take the stance of the "greater good" or "what's better for me?" which is a little Machiavellian, but that is my outlook after the long years on this rock. There are winners and losers, in some cases we will all fit into both categories.

Dog eat dog is something I can accept but most can't.

Maybe I don't have morals but instead I'm just honest?



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 06:19 PM
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I consider myself to have morals and I do not hate anybody or anything. I dislike some people and some things but hate is not an emotion I ever want to feel.

Morals are subjective, depending on a number or things.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 06:19 PM
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oops lol double post. I have no idea how that happened. Sorry!
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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 06:20 PM
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is this what you're trying to communicate?



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by boncho
The thing about morals, are that they are self serving. "Moral people" or people who claim to be, often have morals that suit them or help them in some way. Usually giving them a superiority complex.

About the only honest existence, is just acknowledging human behaviour, and accepting that we are all governed by human shortcomings.


I find your comment to be elucidating.

Why? Because I think emotions are a imperfect attempt at serving our survival odds. They're installed in us as instinct and operate in a similar fashion as intuition except they're built into our dna and developed over many thousands of years. They help us make rapid choices. In life we must often make these kinds of snap decisions and do not have time to observe and ensure complete objectivity.

So emotions are in some way a logical, species-serving instinct put there by nature.

So maybe morals and emotions are related because they both serve the species.

I think nature realized the benefit of changing things around now and again. So it made sure that not -every- person's moral compass is the same. There might be some environmental influence as well. But I agree that depending on the capacity and inclinations of a person, their morals will roughly coincide. For example, if you're a naturally emotional person that favors the feeling of love over others then you'll naturally be driven to create moral codes that define emotion and feelings of love as moral and non-emotional things or excessive feelings unrelated to love as immoral.

Put another way, morals coincide with our natural proclivities. If this weren't so then most if not all of us would be considered obnoxiously immoral and sent to jails. Our instincts and other genetics must follow somewhat our morals to make them achievable by a fair majority people. If too many people are sent to jails then we'd be spending all our time in courtrooms and nowhere else!

I value morals and emotions. I can barely kill a fly without feeling guilty and have went out of my way not to kill things little creatures even if they're in the home (the one place they can't be). I've "rescued" a daddy long legs and a moth once or twice and even a yellow jacket. But I don't always have the time for that. Luckily, fate hasn't challenged me too often. Either way, I feel shame if I kill a bug yet people are killing animals in this world. If every piece of flesh I've eaten came from something I had to kill, I never would eaten it. This is one of the reasons I eat meat very sparingly and increasingly educate myself on how to get the proper nutrients without having to kill the earthly creatures for it. Beyond animals and bugs, I mostly stick to myself. I love people and respect them and admire them. I don't go out of my way to help others, but then again, I have had social anxiety issues in the past so maybe that's an excuse. But genuinely, in my heart of hearts, I love people and do not seek their harm and only wish the best for them. So I hope I don't give hte impression in this post that I'm an emotionless evil man that probably experiments on vulnerable baby chickens in his basement dungeon. I don't think people are that simple minded, but maybe they're.

Some people let their imagination go too far when they picture others in their mind.
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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 06:49 PM
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Morals were created to keep the little man down. TPTB instilled guilt and fear from the dawn of man to keep us from killing them.

haha...

in all seriousness though morals are very subjective. One mans sin is another mans pleasure



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 06:59 PM
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The thing about morality is everyone's is different. Who teaches you morals parents, religion, society? A soldier in Iraq might have strong morals , but also has a job to do. That may include killing to protect others. The people you mentioned seem to live outside the box of normalcy that this country would dictate. They are still people , often wear crosses around there neck. They might not fit into a box that society deems a good occupation. Some people would probably go around slaughtering children and families in the name of fun or to look cool. If you think of a lifetime of good and evil on every bodies plate and which outweighs the other, some seek redemption while others wallow in it. Dictated by society's norms.

In the world today 50 years ago or 100 the world was a different place. There are other religions and other parts of the world where they have different norms. So in the eyes of the beholder decides morality, some might help starving animals and people while some play Grand Theft Auto and say ohhhh well.



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