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To hate Jews is to hate God.

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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 01:58 PM
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To hate Jews is to hate God.

If you believe in the sacrifice of Jesus, then you must believe that God planned for it and set the conditions even before the earth was formed. If as most believe, the Jews were the cause of the sacrifice, then one must believe that God put the notion and desire to kill Jesus in the Jewish hearts. Jews then were God’s tools in carrying out God’s plan. Jews then should be venerated just as Jesus is because Jesus and Jews were required and caused by God to participate in the sacrifice. They were all doing God’s will and not their own.

Jesus was a Jew and to hate Jews means that Jesus is also hated. The church has historically persecuted Jews and only repented for their actions in 2011 with the pope acknowledging that not all Jews should be hated. Just those directly involved in the sacrifice of Jesus. Ignoring of course that they were charged directly by God to be and do what God wanted.

www.christianpost.com...

Why then have Christians historically hated Jews, and by inference, hate the Jew part of God/Jesus the Jew?

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The weird twist to this history is that the Christian right who hates Jews the most, is now the ones pushing for funding of the Jewish homeland to fulfill prophesy.

Most Jews do not believe that Jesus was the messiah. Is the Christian right just funding Jews to help drive them to destruction at the hands of God?

Jews tend not to read the O. T. the way Christians do. Are Christian interpretations of Jewish text superior or inferior to the Jewish interpretation of their own myths?

Regards
DL




posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 01:59 PM
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I asked a well-informed Jewish friend to comment before I posted this and this is what he had to say.

Modern Jews and ancient Jews for one. I suppose you are concerned about modern Jewish opinion. Yes, some modern Jews are concerned that Christian Right support isn't for the best, that there is a hidden agenda to benefit Christian Right at the expense of Jews. Other modern Jews (particularly Israeli Right) don't care if there is a hidden agenda or not, they are happy to take anyone's support. These same cynical guys gave and took support from White S African racists (prior to Mandela liberation) and supported the White S African nuclear weapons program. Such people are typically atheist Israeli Jews BTW. Religious Jews generally distrust any Christians bearing gifts (they are Greeks of a sort anyway). Atheists Jews aren't particular, they will take support from anyone (see their behavior in the early Soviet Union). Modern Israel was founded by atheist socialist Jews (the Bund). Religious Jews prior to 1948 and some even prior to 1967 did not believe that Israel should be re-established, without the Messiah. Some religious Jews still believe this (Naturei Karta) and these Jews have cordial relations with Hamas. Such Jews of course would be anathema to the Christian Right. The Christian Right doesn't mind atheist Jews, because they believe all Jews atheist or not will be damned by G-d. Some of the Christian Right also believe that the Jews are not real Jews, only Gentiles are Jews (at least some are seen as such, such as the British Royal Family ... see Anglo-American Israelitism). Many Gentiles believe that modern Jews are of impure "race" anyway, or are even nephelim (angelic spawned demons). A good book on the death of Jesus (at least in literature if not in fact) is "Who Killed Jesus?" by John Dominic Crossan.

Actually I would say that to hate anyone, is to hate G-d ... so some of the verses of the Bible are clearly not inspired, because hate is talked about positively at times. It is possible that some verses are meant ironically. The other thing your scheme implies is that of Pauline predetermination. Paul clearly went beyond predestination to predetermination. He didn't believe in free will, and pointedly talked about his lack of free will, and resulting lack of responsibility, in the beginning of the Epistle to the Romans. In no way did Jesus ever talk in those terms, but then Paul wasn't a follower of the fictional synoptic Jesus (aka a historical Jesus), but of a gnostic angelic figure (vision on the road to Damascus) more like the Johannine Jesus. I don't believe the idea of a realistic Jesus even occurred to anyone until after the destruction of Jerusalem, which was after Paul's death. The realistic synoptic Jesus was turned into the historical Jesus by Christian argumentation. The actual Johannine gospel came last, but its ideas were first, having been written in reaction to the synoptic Jesus, who was written in reaction to the Gnostic Jesus aka Avalokiteshvara and the Gnostic Virgin Mary (Prajnaparamita).

There are lots of reasons for Christians to hate Jews and vice versa:
www.bbc.co.uk...

But I don't think it has ever been legitimate, that is ... it is an expression of sin not virtue. Christians and Muslims should especially value Jewish people, but they are violent, immoral, jealous, stupid (well that is the Jewish stereotype).

Shalom



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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Until Israeli Zionists end their apartheid against the palistinian people and end its corrupt practice of manipulating and spying on foreign governments for their own political gain, then hatred against ordinery Jews is inevitable unfortunately.Its a sad fact but the biggest enemy of ordinery Jews are Zionists,until they wake up and realize that then hatred is gone come their way.
I cant say i know anyone that hates ordinery Jews, but almost everyone i know hates Zionist Jews.
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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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To hate Jews is not to hate God. To hate Jews is to hate something that all Jews, from the hater's perspective, have in common.

The fact that you think antisemitism automatically focuses the cross-hairs on God says quite a bit...



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:25 PM
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I don't hate the Jews. What i want to know is why the Jews in Iran (who have 1000's of years lineage btw) hate the Israel of today?



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:25 PM
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This would require a god to exist in the first place....



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:28 PM
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The Jewish people are doing what I call "Self Fufillin Prophecy" IF there is a God, then he gave them free choice, and not the "jews" but the "Jewish Government" are a bunch of criminals carrying out a genocide that nobody wants to talk about.

I don't hate "Jews", I simply disagree with any human beings who think they can control other human beings. Especially ones who had something as terrible as the Holocaust happen and then appear to be doing it to another group of people....Kind of ironic.

So IF there is a God, they aren't going to heaven when he's done with them. And who are you to say what God wants? A 3000 year old, changed and re-written on several occasions by the hands of man, book, is probably not a good indication.

~Tenth[/more]



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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The human race killed Jesus. You killed him. I killed him. Whatever people he came to and lived with would have killed him. It happened to be Jews because that's who he lived with.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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I'm just going to hate God without hating the Jews, I think hating God will make him more amenable to other peoples prayers. It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make, to ensure your lives are easier than mine I'll make God listen to you by making sure when he hears me he knows why.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:38 PM
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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:39 PM
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God hated the Jews and Christ feared that he would be killed by them.........which he eventually was.To hate Jews,who are the problem with the world,is to hate evil......which is ok.
Remember that Jews hate ALL non Jews.

Just remember that the current ones who call themselves Jews are not of any real importance and it is the Israelites that are the chosen ones,not the Jews.Jews and Israleites are two different groups,One Jacob and one Esau.

Another thing is that the Jews have admitted that they do not worship a god in the sense of most religions but are using religion as a means to get their Satanic world one government,kill the white race and enslave the dark races(yes this is an admitted agenda by the Jews and if you know nothing about it.....then you know nothing about the Jews).
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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:50 PM
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I do agree that God did choose the Jewish people to carry out his plans . Judas was chosen and he carried out Gods plan .Where would we be today if he had been prevented in any way if it were possible from betraying the Lord Jesus . God was not surprised by anything the Jewish people did . God scattered the Jewish people throughout the 4 corners of the world for a reason . I believe it was as a homogenous people that maintains their bloodlines and works together and would spread their power and influence throughout the world . Working together they can dominate of course the banking world and control economies throughout the world and thus great influence .The Jewish bankers that have command of the worlds economies are also working the will of God although they don't know it . These chosen are bringing us to the Great Tribulation with the help of the other Jewish in control of TV , news ACLU and our judicial . These Jews will answer to God as we also will .
This New World Order is a creation by the Bilderberg group that is headed up by the 10 Elite Jewish families and will bring about the Mark of the Beast as God planned . It will enslave or kill the Christian and signals the coming of Christ at some point of Mid Tribulation . I hate the NWO but look for Jesus to come .



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 03:06 PM
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That doesn't mean that because I hate god, I hate Jews though. Are you sure about that claim? There seems to be an awful lot of jesus-lovin Jew haters out there.

PS. I don't hate god. I don't believe in him. Does this mean I don't believe in Jews? Has my next doorneighbour Moish been lying to me all along? And what then ,are those buildings which I believe to be synagogues, really all about?



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 03:12 PM
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I don't hate Jews but I do hate any belief system that sets one type of person apart or on a higher lever than everyone else. We live in a very technologically and scientifically advanced world yet most people in it have been sucked into a meme, otherwise known as a religion. This meme, if analysed with honesty, is disgusting. No-one is more important or more special than anyone else. When favouritism happens in families you get the 'golden child' and 'the scapegoat'. The golden childred are treated like little emperors and doted on. The scapegoats are looked down on, side-lined and victimised. They are all losers in this dysfunctional and abusive system. However, the biggest losers are, in the end, the golden children because they always realise in the end that they are not special at all, and that is a painful revelation whereas the scapegoat are surprised to discover they are not inferior after all, and that can be a very uplifting thing.

The time is nigh for the Abrahamic religions to be exposed for what they are (based on volcanic activity) and for the rest to topple with them so that the world can start to carve out a more modern way of treating humans....a way that sets everyone on the same level.


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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 03:19 PM
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To hate anyone of any race/religion goes against God.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 03:33 PM
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Here's a useless post. But I feel compelled.

To hate anyone is to hate God.

I'm almost sorry that you threw "Jews" into the thread headline. There will be much more discussion this way, but it will be a lot less thoughtful. Oh, there will be a lot of discussion about "I don't hate all Jews, just those that want a country of their own." And the "I don't hate Jews, I just hate the religion that has been the central part of their life, culture and history for 4000+ years." And the mind twisting "There isn't any God, so I can't hate Him and because I don't hate God I don't hate the Jews, who don't really exist anyway. And it's important that we stop letting people be Jews or any other religion. That's because the entire world has been wrong since the beginning of time and I've figured out that they've been wrong."

Perhaps a little bit of a rant, but can somebody please come up with a way we can discuss Jews in a sensible manner? A separate forum perhaps? Naw, that'll never fly, but ooohhhh I'm upset.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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What an odd view.
I always figured to hate MAN was t hate God/ourselves.
I guess that is the view you take when you start believing a book written by men and stop listening to your heart/conscience.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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To hate Jews is not to hate God. To hate Jews is to hate something that all Jews, from the hater's perspective, have in common.

The fact that you think antisemitism automatically focuses the cross-hairs on God says quite a bit...


But if we say all man is part of the whole/god then he is right that hating a person of the jews is hating god. But then I do have a love/hate relationship with god already anyway. Maybe more like a Love/hate relationship with humanity. If we took away humanity from the picture and I would have been somewhere else then I think god and I would have been fine.

It's hard to love all neightbours/the people who are clearly totaly egoistic and unloving themselves. I hope they one day get it and avoid them since nothing good will come from my interaction with them. Help the ones who wants to be helped and listenes and let the rest make their own bed. You cant stop a kid who wont stop putting his hand on the stove when you tell him to. When the kid has burned his hand so severly that he wont forgett the pain then the kid might listen.
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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by Hillarie
The human race killed Jesus. You killed him. I killed him. Whatever people he came to and lived with would have killed him. It happened to be Jews because that's who he lived with.



Actually Jesus told us who put him to death in John 8:36 to 8:45 , the Pharisees of the day were taken over by the Kenites , the sons of Cain the son of Satan . When Jesus says to them in John 8:41 you do the deeds of your father (small f) the Pharisee responded in the next verse " we be not born of fornication " understanding that Jesus implied they were the offspring of Cain from the fornication between Satan ,Eve and Adam in the garden . Satan was the talking snake , the tree of knowledge of evil and good.

Anyway in John8:44 Christ comes right out and says it plainly ......."Ye are of your father the devil and the lusts of yor father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning ( Cain killing Abel ) and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie he speaketh of his own , for he is a liar , and the father of it .

The Kenites are alive today they are the NWO the illuminati . They control the banks , politics , education and the religions .



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 06:54 PM
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Pretty sure God turned his back on those you are refering to as jews,care of Solomon's deedsThe word jew does not even appear in the old testement as far as I know.Not you or anyone else can even tell us what a jews is anyway.It is the most ambiguous word in the world.



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